Congo Vibes

Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: jeantwatwa on March 17, 2017, 10:04

Title: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: jeantwatwa on March 17, 2017, 10:04
Guys your opinion on the Vocal skills of werrason?
Personally, I'm always amused when ever Werrason intrudes into a beautiful song like (Vita Imana) ...he never seems at home doing vocals, although his confidence level is amusing.

So is he considered a good vocalist in Kinshasa?, has he ever been told that he can't sing?

your opinion guys!
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 17, 2017, 11:13
Kiekiekie, naturally, Werra is a terrible singer but when  he works with bold arrangers who are able to control him,he can sing ok.
He needs a lot of time to get it right. I don't like his style but on certain songs he fills that missing gap and he has done some goods singing especially on the album Kibuisa Mpimpa with Al Nzimbi the great arranger. He did well on the song Likambo which also features another good arranger and guitarist Olivier Tshimanga.

There other songs arranged by Sec Bidens on which Werra put in an effort and sounded well. I can only applaud him for the effort,it's not easy.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: jeantwatwa on March 17, 2017, 13:25
 ;D ;D ;D I fully agree, his voice is more tolerable in a duet arrangement
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on March 17, 2017, 14:03
Werrason's voice is not for singing on a long chorus or line, it is a complementary voice. Personally I find it ok when its done in that style, not when he wants to sing alone....
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Jdog on March 17, 2017, 17:49
He's not the best of singers but there has been times where he has done pretty good like for example Likambo and Point Carre. His voice is more of a complementary voice then a lead. 
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Matebu on March 17, 2017, 18:58
The video that sparked the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFeRQLnOfVU&ebc=ANyPxKp0JJOQOSDqwQ_ccSAug8MZRaIYTJX9Gpr6qkcFuYxWcne0LyEkGjus-fqjDVqMo969O95BLChoCcyD9BMitJD7uUKKhg

You guys keep mentioning Likambo, indeed it's a good song with even JB publicly congratulating him, but his voice was heavily edited, even using autotune..

He sang great on Kibuisa Mpimpa, however, Al Nzimbi has gone on record saying it was a very difficult and long project because it took many takes to get things right (think the J'ai ai assez video with Celeo telling him how to sing). Even then, Al and I believe engineer Pascal Bodin, had to work their magic with voice editing.
https://youtu.be/Me-LS-Sn6M0

I respect Werra and rate him highly because he was very aware of what one would call a short comings, and paved his own way to success using different means.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: jeantwatwa on March 17, 2017, 19:10
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9poX2YPurBQ]

SALSISTER - The intro to this classic,  is perhaps one of the few times that one can witness above average singing from Ngiama himself, although I suspect it took quiet a bit of practice as well. I'm not a hating on the guy, I was simply trying to point out the elephant in the room...his vocal skills.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: jax on March 18, 2017, 06:18
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Matebu on March 18, 2017, 06:44
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(

 ;D kiekie. Bashing arena? the man has an entire forum section specifically dedicated to news on him and his band. On this very thread, people simply provided their opinion (as jeantwatwa asked for) -  some backed it up with historical facts, and all praised him to varying degrees.

It's clear that you're a 'Nsonique and I think that's great, so I won't engage in an arguement
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Manzambi94 on March 18, 2017, 10:23
I am a Maison Mere fan, the best fan on the planet with no doubt, but I know, like all the members of MM knows that Werra is a terrible singer, not because of his voice, but because he try to sing like he is a first voice, while he should do bass voice like Zulema, and Fabregas and many other second voice instead, he always try to sing like a first voice, but he obviously can't because he is forcing his nature, if he try to sing like a second voice like he did when he was with JB and the others it will be better for him, the fact that Werra is not credited like a bad singer is because people are more focused on how he can transform a normal singer to a great one, like he did with Ferre, Deplick and many other guys who had good voices.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: princesab on March 18, 2017, 12:24
My only concern is the OUTPUT.

If you are a Bad singer or good singer and yet you produce something which can not convince me... YOU ARE FULL OF S***
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Manzambi94 on March 18, 2017, 13:16
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
Jax since you wanted listen to Werra singing here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVqq5O8R9E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ySdoINAmaBA

And in THIS last One compare Baby, Heriter and Ferrè's voice to Werra's One and tell me how can you say he is a good vocalist

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YUqaNCIqg
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: CM PRINCE on March 18, 2017, 15:57
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
haha what planet are you from when was the first and last time you saw werra do a concert without his band jb koffi fally and ferre can easily do it werra can't and he himself knows that he's charismatic and can easily put on a great show but isn't a good singer you don't have to get upset over an opinion
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: CM PRINCE on March 18, 2017, 15:59
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
Jax since you wanted listen to Werra singing here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVqq5O8R9E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ySdoINAmaBA

And in THIS last One compare Baby, Heriter and Ferrè's voice to Werra's One and tell me how can you say he is a good vocalist

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YUqaNCIqg
spot on manzambi
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on March 18, 2017, 19:44
I think he is a incredible backup singer but a mediocre lead singer overall. He is not bad but not that good either.

It depends on the song itself.

Like in case of his recent song here, he sounds kind of weak and annoying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMXdJvgFakc

But in songs such as this, Werrason sounds very impressive. Not great but good enough to listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSQU35p9Ubs
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: bandason on March 19, 2017, 12:17
wowo guys stop right there please the guy is an excellent vocalist listen to 13 Ans it is called a crying voice it is not even common only the best of the best can have that voice also the song salisiter he killed it. on solola bien were ever he come in it was like kiss from a rose my favourate chantel swizterland wooo ummm
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: dany on March 19, 2017, 12:46
Please don't doubt werrason's musical abilities he's a very accomplished musician he knows and understands music, and knows what people want...Werrason should not have a thread dedicated to him it makes him seem like a special case..."make werrason great again"
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: dany on March 19, 2017, 13:04
Thanks werrason you've entertained us more than some so called vocalists...you deserve everything in life
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: ZamundaPrince on March 19, 2017, 14:54
I always say Werra is not the most flamboyant and gifted vocalist but then again he's not as terrible as people would like us to believe. He's an okay vocalist with sporadic moments of brilliance but he's very very far from terrible
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 19, 2017, 15:02
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
Fake forum,how?? ;D
Don't take it personal, cheer up,it's only music. Every personal view matters. None of us is an expert critic,we are all simply rhumba fans and have different tastes and opinions, that's just nature. Be tolerant and ignore annoying comments against your favourite musicians all you will constantly suffer from high blood pressure.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: JV “Lone Ranger” on March 19, 2017, 15:07
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(

Whoa! Lol calm down...Don't get your knickers in a twist
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Matebu on March 19, 2017, 17:26
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(

Whoa! Lol calm down...Don't get your knickers in a twist

lol, now a flurry of bana Maison mère are pissed, taking constructive criticisms personally.

Same song, same lyrics, same studio with zero vocal enhancements, and recorded the same day-
Werrason
https://youtu.be/WhAmrjrCn6k
Defao
https://youtu.be/CPeGL6w1eo4

You'd have to be in complete denial to not be able to note the sheer difference in vocal aptitude.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Congomusiclover001 on March 19, 2017, 17:54
I think Werrason would not be this great after the split if he didn't have the likes of Ferre, Baby Ndombe Adjani in the lineup.More importantly, I think Bill and Celeo made WMMM relevant and likable. Yes, Werrason can sing. Not the best singer of the 4 x 4 era. His voice is what make people think he can't sing, but he can. But I like him better when he sings in harmony with someone else.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: KAISARI on March 19, 2017, 18:44
This Werra song has always been on repeat for JB fans(now undercover as Ferre fans) especially when their beloved is going through his personal problems and they need a distraction. Next on their playlist is Cindy... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Manzambi94 on March 19, 2017, 19:19
You guys don't understand shit of music if you say Werra is this heck of a singer, If I had enough money I would pay every guy that says this and give him a week with Werra singing naturally and see if they have the brave to say that again, God are you deaf???? Ferre, Deplick, Cafe Rhoum, Taddet  doesn't give you any clue of how Werra bad of a singer is?
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Jdog on March 19, 2017, 23:12
Werrason is a  good vocalist, if you listen to all the projects hes been involved in since the Wenge musica 4x4 days until today.''Its so sickening to see this forum which was once having good and open discussions  become a Werra bashing arena. Fake forum  >:( >:( >:(
Werra is decent vocalist at best. And you say we "had" good discussions but you never participated. And if you want to talk about Werrason you can talk about him no one is stoping you, admins even made a section just for him and Maison Mere.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: ZamundaPrince on March 20, 2017, 05:10
We should be able to differentiate between opinion and facts. If you think Werra can't sing that's just an opinion. Somebody else should be allowed to think Werra can sing. It comes down to preferrences. I like Werra's singing. At least what comes out of my music player is good enough for me. What he does behind the scenes/studios is neither here nor there.
Personally I can't stand Papa Wemba's singing/voice for long and that's not to say he's a bad singer. He's one of Africa's and maybe world's most acclaimed musicians. I just prefer something different.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Toolz on March 20, 2017, 06:26
Jax,that you don't feel too good about people saying Werra is not a good vocalist should not make you call the forum a fake one. That was a little absurd. Opinions would always vary and we have to always live with that.
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: jeantwatwa on March 20, 2017, 06:40
Yes feelings got hurt, and regrettable if not childish remarks made. But, I'm pretty sure that we can all agree on one thing. Werrason is an above average dancer...thats my opinion; Koffi and Feliz Wazekwa's will need a separate forum for Dancing skills

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKTCY07Y1A]

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Matebu on March 20, 2017, 06:53
Yes feelings got hurt, and regrettable if not childish remarks made. But, I'm pretty sure that we can all agree on one thing. Werrason is an above average dancer...thats my opinion; Koffi and Feliz Wazekwa's will need a separate forum for Dancing skills

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKTCY07Y1A]

 ;D ;D ;D

Haha if it's any consolation, the generation before them didn't dance at all. Vieux bokul Wemba
 and all of TPOK got away not having any dancing skills

People love to pan Wazekwa's dances, but aside from Fimbu, they're quite complicated in practice (speaking from a little experience  :D). He has a technocratic way of creating dances
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: SYMPLICITY on March 20, 2017, 07:20
This Werra song has always been on repeat for JB fans(now undercover as Ferre fans) especially when their beloved is going through his personal problems and they need a distraction. Next on their playlist is Cindy... ;) ;D

Careful brother, the truth is sacrificed at the altar of political correctness. When you point out some of these things you are accused of either being petty or starting an argument. Back to the Werra debate, I think he is an okay singer with a unique voice in DRC
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: Matebu on March 20, 2017, 07:31
This Werra song has always been on repeat for JB fans(now undercover as Ferre fans) especially when their beloved is going through his personal problems and they need a distraction. Next on their playlist is Cindy... ;) ;D

Careful brother, the truth is sacrificed at the altar of political correctness. When you point out some of these things you are accused of either being petty or starting an argument. Back to the Werra debate, I think he is an okay singer with a unique voice in DRC

Haha, unique? Don't mean to stir the pot even more, but I don't think you've listened to his brother, Ladins Montana. They sing with exactly the same style, but he makes Werrason sound like amazing vocalist in comparison
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: SYMPLICITY on March 22, 2017, 04:04
Yes, Matebu. I had a chance to listen to an album by Ladins Montana in the late 90s or was it early 2000s? He is an amazing vocalist and i always confused him with Serge Mabiala for quite some time. Where did he disappear to by the way?
Title: Re: Is Werrason a genuine vocalist?
Post by: SoukousFan on March 22, 2017, 15:59
Yes feelings got hurt, and regrettable if not childish remarks made. But, I'm pretty sure that we can all agree on one thing. Werrason is an above average dancer...thats my opinion; Koffi and Feliz Wazekwa's will need a separate forum for Dancing skills

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKTCY07Y1A]

 ;D ;D ;D


Its too much its too much my stomach hurts! Their mannerisms here are spot on!