Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: mvulusi96 on November 17, 2017, 18:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhURjGNsT4&index=2&list=WL
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Koffi is missing ONE thing to extend even more his legendary status,doing stuff for other people
i think sports is the only field were people became legends basically doing thing for themselves, in all the rest some people became legends for doing things which had massive impact on people while koffi jb and werra who are the three remaining legends people easily identify themselves too are doing almost nothing outside from themselves
so for the young artists succeeding in music has become getting wealthy and become arrogant and nothing more because of the model they have above( for most)
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Kipelekese ya 1er soin
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Kipelekese ya 1er soin
lol 1 er soin ekomi viral,i was in chateau rouge chateau d eau and co to get african stuff and at least three 4 times i heard guys either joking or argueing for real and one saying "keba nakosala yo 1er soin " lool its funny how musicians can get us addicted to an expression so fast
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lol, I was anticpating some salty responses. He has a bunch of houses, but he likes that villa the best it seems. Interesting point @archos
One thing that we must realize is that he worked his tail off for decades for his success, no short cuts taken.
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Kipelekese ya 1er soin
"keba nakosala yo 1er soin " lool its funny how musicians can get us addicted to an expression so fast
lol no way
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One thing that we must realize is that he worked his tail off for decades for his success, no short cuts taken.
Koffi and "no short cuts" should not be used in the same sentence....this man is an expert in short cuts...stealing comes in mind
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Koffi is missing ONE thing to extend even more his legendary status,doing stuff for other people
i think sports is the only field were people became legends basically doing thing for themselves, in all the rest some people became legends for doing things which had massive impact on people while koffi jb and werra who are the three remaining legends people easily identify themselves too are too almost NOTHING outside from themselves
so for the young artists succeeding in music has become getting wealthy and become arrogant and nothing more because of the model they have above( for most)
Werra maboko makasi eee
Anyway I agree with you Archos and you know well how much I do not like thes e guys in their personal lives, mostly because of this also like Ferre said: "you wanna be a leader but his many houses you have built for other people, how many schooled you have made so young people can go there?"
Same for Werra I mean how can these guys praise Werrason just for having a good ear in music
Eboa, Kene Kene, Celeo, Bill, Ferre, Brigade and many others are the guys who suffered by Werra's arrogance and stinginess
Eboa and Kene Kene made 8 months if I don't go wrong in Kin without a cent from their boss because he went on tour, Celeo and Bill with that money thing over some Serra's staff, Ferre's mom insulted like Ferre did nothing in Wenge by the clown Sankara without Serra telling anything and Brigade basically almost killed by Heritier's friends without Werra doing nothing to punish Heritier, I can never admire this guys and then how many times Werra slept with dancers along with Hus pal Koffi, even though they are married? It is disgusting.
I am still shocked by the way Koffi treated CNN and his girlfriend
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exactly matebu that is my point they did massive effort to become legends and they have every right to enjoy it but i feel for their own good and for the positive impact they can have on younger artists it would be wonderful if they can add to it something extra which will be stuck in people memories forever it saddened me a lot to hear people almost mocking wemba's death like "what the heck did he do for congolese people he brought only negative values and so on"
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@manzambi & @jv; serious question - why do you guys even bother with Koffi threads? Your post against him are predictable
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Koffi is missing ONE thing to extend even more his legendary status,doing stuff for other people
i think sports is the only field were people became legends basically doing thing for themselves, in all the rest some people became legends for doing things which had massive impact on people while koffi jb and werra who are the three remaining legends people easily identify themselves too are too almost NOTHING outside from themselves
so for the young artists succeeding in music has become getting wealthy and become arrogant and nothing more because of the model they have above( for most)
Werra maboko makasi eee
Anyway I agree with you Archos and you know well how much I do not like thes e guys in their personal lives, mostly because of this also like Ferre said: "you wanna be a leader but his many houses you have built for other people, how many schooled you have made so young people can go there?"
Same for Werra I mean how can these guys praise Werrason just for having a good ear in music
Eboa, Kene Kene, Celeo, Bill, Ferre, Brigade and many others are the guys who suffered by Werra's arrogance and stinginess
Eboa and Kene Kene made 8 months if I don't go wrong in Kin without a cent from their boss because he went on tour, Celeo and Bill with that money thing over some Serra's staff, Ferre's mom insulted like Ferre did nothing in Wenge by the clown Sankara without Serra telling anything and Brigade basically almost killed by Heritier's friends without Werra doing nothing to punish Heritier, I can never admire this guys and then how many times Werra slept with dancers along with Hus pal Koffi, even though they are married? It is disgusting.
I am still shocked by the way Koffi treated CNN and his girlfriend
Hahahhahaha that story about CNN is nothing. If you hear the stories of Papa Wemba, Tabu Ley, JB Mpiana, Franco Luambo, Ferre Gola & Fally Ipupa you not more listen to Congolese music.
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This house is so different then it was in 1995, when he left Bandalungwa to live there.
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I have a feeling Koffi will do something with Dalida, that girl who was interviewen him. :D
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I have a feeling Koffi will do something with Dalida, that girl who was interviewen him. :D
Kiekie, she was completely star struck and Koffi always offering a seat :D
Yeah, his house looks like a big resort now and he didn't even show the living quarters. I never knew he was actually passionate about botany. Now I get the Papa Fleur nickname
(22:55) it sounds like a preview of a new Koffi/Fally song if I'm not mistaken. I hope it's not an all rhumba album
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@manzambi & @jv; serious question - why do you guys even bother with Koffi threads? Your post against him are predictable
I don't know for JV but to me is that being Italian and seeing with my own house everyday people acting like God because they have power I hate when it happen in DRC and I hate these two guys Koffi and Werra which I was a massive fan earlier.
Koffi is the most disgusting huKoffi is missing ONE thing to extend even more his legendary status,doing stuff for other people
i think sports is the only field were people became legends basically doing thing for themselves, in all the rest some people became legends for doing things which had massive impact on people while koffi jb and werra who are the three remaining legends people easily identify themselves too are too almost NOTHING outside from themselves
so for the young artists succeeding in music has become getting wealthy and become arrogant and nothing more because of the model they have above( for most)
Werra maboko makasi eee
Anyway I agree with you Archos and you know well how much I do not like thes e guys in their personal lives, mostly because of this also like Ferre said: "you wanna be a leader but his many houses you have built for other people, how many schooled you have made so young people can go there?"
Same for Werra I mean how can these guys praise Werrason just for having a good ear in music
Eboa, Kene Kene, Celeo, Bill, Ferre, Brigade and many others are the guys who suffered by Werra's arrogance and stinginess
Eboa and Kene Kene made 8 months if I don't go wrong in Kin without a cent from their boss because he went on tour, Celeo and Bill with that money thing over some Serra's staff, Ferre's mom insulted like Ferre did nothing in Wenge by the clown Sankara without Serra telling anything and Brigade basically almost killed by Heritier's friends without Werra doing nothing to punish Heritier, I can never admire this guys and then how many times Werra slept with dancers along with Hus pal Koffi, even though they are married? It is disgusting.
I am still shocked by the way Koffi treated CNN and his girlfriend
Hahahhahaha that story about CNN is nothing. If you hear the stories of Papa Wemba, Tabu Ley, JB Mpiana, Franco Luambo, Ferre Gola & Fally Ipupa you not more listen to Congolese music.
man being in the Congolese music and if I was mean I would call him with his real name violeur, and I hate how people especially in Congo go crazy and defend him no matter what if Koffi tomorrow decide to kill someone for some reason people will say "leave him alone it was self defense".
This kind of twisted and pervert mentality (I am famous I have power I have money so I do everything and I am over the law) it is what is killing Congo and most of all Africa, I don't say that Ferre and all the guy I support are perfect but surely has not the same level of perversion of Koffi or Werra, you Werra decided consciously to take a young woman full of dreams paying her nothing getting her pregnant and then act like you are the Ambassador of peace??? Really? That guy Brian I think of course will make question to his mom like who is my father and what that mom is gonna say? People must be aware of the consequences of their actions
Can't put the quote right (I am with an old phone) anyway for mvulusi96 what do you mean? I would lov e to know what bad they made but at the same time I know I will become very angry to them like I am with Koffi and Werra
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^ @manzambi, not meant as an insult but you still have a loooot to learn about the history of Congolese music. I mean it really shows with how you're still deeply offended by one situation. (It's also getting tiring hearing the same thing in every Koffi thread).
Once again, I'm not defending anyone and as @mvulusi stated the things "legends" have done make Koffi's situation look soft. The genre's father figures like Franco and Tabu Ley are legitimately the most wicked African musicians ever in terms of what they did for success, destroying families, and deep kindoki polemics. Towards the end of his life, Franco made a song begging people to stop the kindoki.
Here's a snippet of a story my uncle told me about 2-3rd generation musicians very long ago - He said that artists and/or politicians in polemic would send people to purposely give rivals AIDS.
Now that is truly shocking because it makes me think of the all the artists and powerful Zaire people who died of the disease in the 80's-90's. Even people like Saddam Kongulu Mobutu who died in '98 - the powerful son of Mobutu
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Manzambi if you hate koffi and werra so much it's easy stop going on their threads this whole thing about you talking about hating koffi on every single of threads is just boring now and that CNN story happened over 16 years Ago I'm certain he's over it now so why can't you and like Matebu said koffi isn't even the worst and it's not like (correct me if I'm wrong) but it's not like you know them personally or they've done something to you personally so I don't understand why you have to keep getting angry and emotional
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(22:55) it sounds like a preview of a new Koffi/Fally song if I'm not mistaken. I hope it's not an all rhumba album
lol this is fally and koffi we're talking about when was the last time they did sebene smh I hope so too but it's a done deal it's gonna be a complete rhumba album I just pray Cindy is not involved in any way pleaseeeee aha
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Are you Guys trying to tell me/us that werra has not given back anything to the society?.?
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^ @manzambi, not meant as an insult but you still have a loooot to learn about the history of Congolese music. I mean it really shows with how you're still deeply offended by one situation. (It's also getting tiring hearing the same thing in every Koffi thread).
Once again, I'm not defending anyone and as @mvulusi stated the things "legends" have done make Koffi's situation look soft. The genre's father figures like Franco and Tabu Ley are legitimately the most wicked African musicians ever in terms of what they did for success, destroying families, and deep kindoki polemics. Towards the end of his life, Franco made a song begging people to stop the kindoki.
Here's a snippet of a story my uncle told me about 2-3rd generation musicians very long ago - He said that artists and/or politicians in polemic would send people to purposely give rivals AIDS.
Now that is truly shocking because it makes me think of the all the artists and powerful Zaire people who died of the disease in the 80's-90's. Even people like Saddam Kongulu Mobutu who died in '98 - the powerful son of Mobutu
I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.
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Congopromo again!!! Am doing them email right away. They are boring with their promotions!!
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Are you Guys trying to tell me/us that werra has not given back anything to the society?.?
he sure did,but it would not be any bad for him and the other ones if they do better,as they still have time to(hopefully)
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I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.
Yea, they were all sharing the same group of women, so it took lots of people out eventually. The same women sharing still happens today, probably modern medication is what a little difference
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Congopromo again!!! Am doing them email right away. They are boring with their promotions!!
Yeah, can't stand them. Half the videos time is mabanga/ ads and on top of that, if you don't have ad-blocker there's a YT advert every single minute
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Congopromo again!!! Am doing them email right away. They are boring with their promotions!!
Yeah, can't stand them. Half the videos time is mabanga/ ads and on top of that, if you don't have ad-blocker there's a YT advert every single minute
For sure they're irritating.
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I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.
Yea, they were all sharing the same group of women, so it took lots of people out eventually. The same women sharing still happens today, probably modern medication is what a little difference
O.O
Wow it is sad, nothing much to say... I always thought Zaiko, Tabu and the others were clean hut I guess it is just human nature...
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I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.
Yea, they were all sharing the same group of women, so it took lots of people out eventually. The same women sharing still happens today, probably modern medication is what a little difference
O.O
Wow it is sad, nothing much to say... I always thought Zaiko, Tabu and the others were clean hut I guess it is just human nature...
Hahahaha no, no, no. The founder of Zaiko D.V. Muanda was big a "ndoki", Tabu Ley & Luambo Makiadi were scared of him. Evoloko who was before's Wemba breakthrough the biggest star of Zaiko and the 3d generation was his carreer long blocked by him. D.V. Muanda always said "mutu oyo ako longwa Zaiko ako kende mosika te". He had done many sacrifices for Zaiko. There was no one from Zaiko who came far in his solo career, except Papa Wemba who became a customary chief in 1977 and Bozi Boziana who was produced by Verckys . Evoloko was long time protected by Verckys, when he formed Langa Langa Stars with his friends, but started to be attacked when he left Verckys-recordlabel. Since that people from Zaiko didn't want to see him succeed. Bands like ISIFI Lokole, ISIFI Melodia and Yoka Lokole were killed in no time, by people of Zaiko throwing "nkisi" on places were they were performing and houses where they were living. Evoloko suffered alot of them since that he was seen as the most talented artist of the 3d generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJZuSxIf7w
from 8: 56 min Evoloko is explainig why he returned in 1978 to Zaiko. Saying that at a moment he was started to get ill often, suffering "maladi ya mpese" many times and they then discovered that DV Muanda wasn't happy the way he left his band and started to block him with nkisi and attacking him spiritually. So the said to him that it's better to return to Zaiko if he wanted to move forward in his career, since that his wings were there.
Nyoka Longo was in the past seen as a big "ndoki", but people are starting to forget it, since that Zaiko doesn't have a big impact like in the '70's, '80s and '90s. The Zaiko-split of 1988 was partly because of that. Because guys like Ilo Pablo weren't enough paid and started to complain with Nyoka Longo saying that if they want to be paid enough they had to do sacrifices like him, which they then refused.
Tabu Ley was is the most stingy artist ever. He never paid his musicians. Papa Wemba who was then on the heigt of his career signed a 1 year contract with him and joined then his band, but return after 6 months to his own band Viva. Because Tabu Ley didn't pay him. Tabu Ley's career was marked by many departures and shot-off bands (Afrizam, Les Maquisards, etc.) because of that, who were then killed by himself, his friend Luambo Makiadi or Verckys Kiamungana, who didn't want to see them dominating the music-scene. Guys like Ntesa Dalienst, Sam Manguana, Josky Kiambukuta, Ndombe Opetum could have a better career if they weren't blocked by him. Guys from the 3d Generation also suffered alot. In the past you had a band called Thu Zahina, who was then bigger than bigger than Zaiko. But it was killed by Luambo Makiadi and Verckys, who saw them as a big treat.
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I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.
Yea, they were all sharing the same group of women, so it took lots of people out eventually. The same women sharing still happens today, probably modern medication is what a little difference
O.O
Wow it is sad, nothing much to say... I always thought Zaiko, Tabu and the others were clean hut I guess it is just human nature...
Hahahaha no, no, no. The founder of Zaiko D.V. Muanda was big a "ndoki", Tabu Ley & Luambo Makiadi were scared of him. Evoloko who was before's Wemba breakthrough the biggest star of Zaiko and the 3d generation was his carreer long blocked by him. D.V. Muanda always said "mutu oyo ako longwa Zaiko ako kende mosika te". He had done many sacrifices for Zaiko. There was no one from Zaiko who came far in his solo career, except Papa Wemba who became a customary chief in 1977 and Bozi Boziana who was produced by Verckys . Evoloko was long time protected by Verckys, when he formed Langa Langa Stars with his friends, but started to be attacked when he left Verckys-recordlabel. Since that people from Zaiko didn't want to see him succeed. Bands like ISIFI Lokole, ISIFI Melodia and Yoka Lokole were killed in no time, by people of Zaiko throwing "nkisi" on places were they were performing and houses where they were living. Evoloko suffered alot of them since that he was seen as the most talented artist of the 3d generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJZuSxIf7w
from 8: 56 min Evoloko is explainig why he returned in 1978 to Zaiko. Saying that at a moment he was started to get ill often, suffering "maladi ya mpese" many times and they then discovered that DV Muanda wasn't happy the way he left his band and started to block him with nkisi and attacking him spiritually. So the said to him that it's better to return to Zaiko if he wanted to move forward in his career, since that his wings were there.
Nyoka Longo was in the past seen as a big "ndoki", but people are starting to forget it, since that Zaiko doesn't have a big impact like in the '70's, '80s and '90s. The Zaiko-split of 1988 was partly because of that. Because guys like Ilo Pablo weren't enough paid and started to complain with Nyoka Longo saying that if they want to be paid enough they had to do sacrifices like him, which they then refused.
Tabu Ley was is the most stingy artist ever. He never paid his musicians. Papa Wemba who was then on the heigt of his career signed a 1 year contract with him and joined then his band, but return after 6 months to his own band Viva. Because Tabu Ley didn't pay him. Tabu Ley's career was marked by many departures and shot-off bands (Afrizam, Les Maquisards, etc.) because of that, who were then killed by himself, his friend Luambo Makiadi or Verckys Kiamungana, who didn't want to see them dominating the music-scene. Guys like Ntesa Dalienst, Sam Manguana, Josky Kiambukuta, Ndombe Opetum could have a better career if they weren't blocked by him. Guys from the 3d Generation also suffered alot. In the past you had a band called Thu Zahina, who was then bigger than bigger than Zaiko. But it was killed by Luambo Makiadi and Verckys, who saw them as a big treat.
Wow, my God I had no idea that Jossart was like this, my dad and my uncle have great admiration for Jossart my uncle especially for Emeneya anyway now I have wonderstood what Franco meant in his song Kimpa Kisangameni especially on the part where he was talking about the death of his brother
https://youtu.be/RaAovqZhxtA
Wow 1 million views song without a video and made before the 80's I bet Franco must have been crazy popular back then
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^ lol, Franco was the biggest African vedette of the 70's-80's. No African artist will ever be as big as he was. He was getting golden discs and Maracas d'or award when such things were unheard of for DRC artists. He even got an honorary citizen award from the city of Atlanta, GA when he came to the US.
That song, Kimpa Kisangameni scared everyone (myself included) when they first heard it, then people grew accustomed to it. All his releases were the talk of the town, in the 80's especially
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^ lol, Franco was the biggest African vedette of the 70's-80's. No African artist will ever be as big as he was. He was getting golden discs and Maracas d'or award when such things were unheard of for DRC artists. He even got an honorary citizen award from the city of Atlanta, GA when he came to the US.
That song, Kimpa Kisangameni scared everyone (myself included) when they first heard it, then people grew accustomed to it. All his releases were the talk of the town, in the 80's especially
I still don't understand why the European press portreted Papa Wemba as the Greatest Congolese Artist ever. While Luambo Makiadi and Tabu Ley had done more in their music-career than him.
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^ lol, Franco was the biggest African vedette of the 70's-80's. No African artist will ever be as big as he was. He was getting golden discs and Maracas d'or award when such things were unheard of for DRC artists. He even got an honorary citizen award from the city of Atlanta, GA when he came to the US.
That song, Kimpa Kisangameni scared everyone (myself included) when they first heard it, then people grew accustomed to it. All his releases were the talk of the town, in the 80's especially
I still don't understand why the European press portreted Papa Wemba as the Greatest Congolese Artist ever. While Luambo Makiadi and Tabu Ley had done more in their music-career than him.
Maybe because Wemba had more albums and song in France + duet with French artist unlike Franco who was more "ethnic"