Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Nkosi on February 10, 2018, 05:10
-
Rumours are rife and swelling as expected after what is seen to be a raid of his team by Heritier. Ambulance is confirmed and now Anti Balles is also rumoured to have joined team Wata.....yet to be confirmed. Several rumours surfaced as expected with some reporting......Lobeso heading back, Gesac heading to WMM, Bercy going back, Blaise heading to WMM.......All not substantiated but it is now being reported by many sources that Jamaique and Kunzardo were seen at Mansion Makampani with some of Werrason's big donors. Let us watch the space closely.
Meanwhile Diego and Golbert have stepped up......
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2160566914013794&id=100001815199252
-
(https://s13.postimg.org/kxwi6hu5j/images_1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s13.postimg.org/3xdlxu49j/download.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
-
Werra's atalakou department is a big game of musical chairs, literally speaking.
-
Anti Balle too? This is hillarious. Just when I mentioned elsewhere that he's probably going to be the next big thing in the atalaku department after Ambulance left.
What I wonder hough is why does Watta insist on this push & pull with Werra? Can't he find relevance in any other way without trying to piggy back on Werra's stature? But while he is still keen on picking MM's musicians, could he kindly do me a favour and take Bobby Ronaldino too? I can't stand the much I have seen of him so far.
-
Werra shouldn't touch Bercy (too toxic), Lobeso (he's past it now) & Gessac (surely, why?) even with a 200m pole. He should use this opportunity to bring in something fresh. Jamaique would be a nice touch. Kunzardo too in the sense that he hasn't been with MM initially.
The only ex atalaku I'd glady welcome back is Brigade but there's very little chance of that happening
-
I will never understand this game, make people fight and do everything for making them leave
-
you know why team wata operates the same way as maison mere in terms of poaching musicians of other groups ? mister olivier lokula aka oliviera the specialist in approaching musicians for his boss
brigade would be the best fit for me, he clearly is not doing it anymore in solo career and he does not have a group full of proven stars so its not that hard for them to understand
-
Ok then. But can someone ask Oliviera to poach Bobby Ronaldino please? Unfortunately these days there are not that many outstanding stars in Maison Mere. Apart from Cafe Roum & Limousine, there really aren't that many stars that I look forward to listening to. I was disappointed that they allowed Francis Bokeli to leave that soon.
MM nowadays doesn't Compare well to LM Villa Nova where there is an overflow of fantastic vocalists. Maybe Werra has become complacent with recruitment & he doesn't push hard enough. He seems comfortable with cherry picking Ferre's people and luring back former members which is not good enough. I'd really love to see an improvement & maybe a proper reshuffle of the first team.
If Brigade is available they should bring him back
-
Ok then. But can someone ask Oliviera to poach Bobby Ronaldino please? Unfortunately these days there are not that many outstanding stars in Maison Mere. Apart from Cafe Roum & Limousine, there really aren't that many stars that I look forward to listening to. I was disappointed that they allowed Francis Bokeli to leave that soon.
MM nowadays doesn't Compare well to LM Villa Nova where there is an overflow of fantastic vocalists. Maybe Werra has become complacent with recruitment & he doesn't push hard enough. He seems comfortable with cherry picking Ferre's people and luring back former members which is not good enough. I'd really love to see an improvement & maybe a proper reshuffle of the first team.
If Brigade is available they should bring him back
Wenge is dead, since Ingeta, Werra did a great comeback with 7eme Jours but the problem is not music is the living, people took Wenge as a gym so they can make solo career or go in smaller groups but with more authority (Olivier's in Team Wata, Fabregas, Robinio, Deplick to start solo career, Arnake for going into Heritier's group) and more money, people do not take seriously Wenge anymore except for the die hard fans who could even die if Werra sj, check the stats Ferre's Rumba Judgement had more than 4,4 million views with the usual marketing Ferre is known of, so didn't even push that hard the views came because the song is excellent, Werra with the generique Diemba 2.4 million and Zenga Luketo 1.5 million is not even close to Ferre, and you know how Werra is conscious of the marketing strategies.
It means only one thing Wenge ekufi.
-
The death of Wenge though and especially Maison Mere remains just a wishful thinking by those who don't like Werra. Every time Werra loses an artist or two we hear the same same claims... Wenge ekufi. The much I know about the man, I am sure he'll always find a way to re-invent himself, just like he did with 7 Jours de la Semaine. DRC is overflowing with talent & Werra sees and feels the need he will adapt accordingly.
I have never considered Youtube views as an accurate measure of how well an artist is doing or how good a song is. A song like Socrate by Manda Chante is an excellent song, but has never hit 100k views mark. A rubbish song like Eloko Oyo has what, 32M views? Original by Fally has 24M views and it's just a kawaida song. Would you say Fally is better than Ferre going by such numbers alone? Yes, it could be an indicator of how good one is at promoting their brand/product but that's just about it.
-
The death of Wenge though and especially Maison Mere remains just a wishful thinking by those who don't like Werra. Every time Werra loses an artist or two we hear the same same claims... Wenge ekufi. The much I know about the man, I am sure he'll always find a way to re-invent himself, just like he did with 7 Jours de la Semaine. DRC is overflowing with talent & Werra sees and feels the need he will adapt accordingly.
I have never considered Youtube views as an accurate measure of how well an artist is doing or how good a song is. A song like Socrate by Manda Chante is an excellent song, but has never hit 100k views mark. A rubbish song like Eloko Oyo has what, 32M views? Original by Fally has 24M views and it's just a kawaida song. Would you say Fally is better than Ferre going by such numbers alone? Yes, it could be an indicator of how good one is at promoting their brand/product but that's just about it.
Man, I am the greatest fan ever of Wenge, but I am also able to see what's happening.
Number one Atalaku successful cries all over the album, leave, successful atalaku ever Bill, legendary album A LA Queue Leu Leu, leave, Celeo bug success on Sous Sol leave, Brigade started hot and only got hotter leaver after Diata/Bawu malewa, Lobeso one of Werra favorite leave after his first official song, you realize that there is something wrong why Genta doesn't leave? Fusee doesn't leave? We need to see the facts for what they are.
-
werra please take your time this time if its just to prove whoever goes is nothing because werra is the man it might be the same story all over again
a proven name coming in hype in the first months treated like a king then starts to sulk in private when he realises he is getting not enough things compared to what he "brought to the group" or because anyways its impossible to keep treating somebody like a king for ages in the context of our music
even bill needed time to establish his strong legacy so why does not nsone try with an unproven guy and get him to bring the absolute best out of him instead of always trying to look who is around who just needs maison mere as the last stepping stone to fame or looking to revive somebody
the day werra will do to that,the game with wata or whoever will surely stop
i am convinced at least one of the hundreds of atalakus rotting in reserves for years can do great given time and confidence
-
Man, I am the greatest fan ever of Wenge, but I am also able to see what's happening.
Bro, a few of my Wenge fan friends and family members would views that as fighting words :D. They were the old school obsessed fan club members who would organize their major concerts, show up to the Europe musician/fan club meetings, and pooling album funds
-
Wenge ekufi? That is wishful thinking of the worst kind.......Wenge MMM is Werrason and for as long as he is alive, the group is also alive and kicking. You under estimate the man........Congo is a sea of talent & Werra's work is cut out in that he won't even go to find them.............they find him
Look at that.........another nobody already killing it for Werra. Watch from 5 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywbmSFhsGU
-
Is Sarah Solo still in Maison Mere?
-
Wenge ekufi? That is wishful thinking of the worst kind.......Werra is Werrason and for as long as he is alive, Wenge is alive and kicking. You under estimate the man........Congo is a sea of talent & Werra's work is cut out in that he won't even go to find them.............they find him
Look at that.........another nobody already killing it for Werra. Watch from 5 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywbmSFhsGU
It doesn't natch with the argument but why is Werra give that much credibility to Diego is hilarious lol, first tune ever after Mayi Ya Sika that I don't see him drunk or high, anyway the guy is good but it doesn't mean anything he is the guy who was behind for 10 plus years with Werra not even knowing it, and that Goldberg crie why he didn't put that in 7 Jours? It was fire, anyway I still believe that Wenge will die, it is not the quality of the music but is the quality of administration that is lacking
Is Sarah Solo still in Maison Mere?
I don't know but I think if she is will leave soon, she has been in Ivory Coast she knows things and she will not last in Wenge because we all know how people "get played" in Wenge.
-
Man, I am the greatest fan ever of Wenge, but I am also able to see what's happening.
Bro, a few of my Wenge fan friends and family members would views that as fighting words :D. They were the old school obsessed fan club members who would organize their major concerts, show up to the Europe musician/fan club meetings, and pooling album funds
Wow, Werra's fan are crazy if you talk bad of him in anyway are ready to kill you, I saw the comments in Zenga Luketo and the comments about Koko Bilali not getting g paid enough and people were like: "what this old ass man trynna get, you should thank Werra because you weren't nothing and now you talk bad of him" and so on even though this guy (Koko Bilaly) has past 60's and he us way more old than Werra.
-
It doesn't natch with the argument but why is Werra give that much credibility to Diego is hilarious lol, first tune ever after Mayi Ya Sika that I don't see him drunk or high, anyway the guy is good but it doesn't mean anything he is the guy who was behind for 10 plus years with Werra not even knowing it, and that Goldberg crie why he didn't put that in 7 Jours? It was fire, anyway I still believe that Wenge will die, it is not the quality of the music but is the quality of administration that is lacking
I showed you a video of a guy who is doing Ambulance and Brigade's animations performing even better than the former and instead of engaging with that point, you've now dragged in Diego and Goldberg into it. Your statement is nothing but empty criticism........I cannot make head or tail of it but will reiterate that Werra is an astute musician and has a way of confounding his critics and keeping the fanbase happy.
There is nothing new you are telling us.
We heard people pronounce the death of WMMM in 2002 when Les Maquis left but now we are in 2018 and the movement is going strong. After Temoignage, I also heard people say Werra is finished but last year he finished the year with a blockbuster song....Zenga Luketu. Year after year we hear this..........Werrason will finish the day he decides he has had enough, not when some musican leaves the band.
Lions do not concern themselves with the opinion of sheep
-
i'd say the day God decides its over,actually i dont recall an artist whose career whose career has been completely down because of departures,at best it can have some big impact but leaders always managed either to drive the group on their own or find kinda replacement build some hype until the replacement moves and so on
hahaha the very passionate response,papa wemba was called finished for the last 10 years of his life at least but released an album which for me still has not been topped,koffi has been called finished for a while also,same for jb werra but they are still there either very active less active or lazy as one wishes to say but their popularity is almost intact
but we must admist that fally and ferre have created a generation of guys who will not accept some stuff for too long
-
Some stuff ?
-
the "nko's" over money for example while some participate in the dirty stuff in them groups
-
When the need for change becomes a necessity I trust Werra to adapt accordingly. But sometimes change requires not just change in style of management but also change in personnel. For example, for some time now I've been wondering if Werra has ever felt the need to shuffle things up a little bit in his choreography section. But to do that will mean Maitre Mao will have to be pushed out. He pushes Mao out and the usual song "Wenge ekufi" becomes a hit. It's hard being Werra at times. You are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But like Archos says, these leaders are self sustaining & departure of musicians alone cannot kill their careers.
About "other stuff" as suggested by Archos, the younger lads seem to be even more fiercely into it. I don't see how it's gonna make Maison Mere any less attractive.
-
exactly nsone is brilliant to adapt but what he has not done yet which is understandable because of the huge blow the lack of europe tours is manageing to make his experiences long term
lets go back to 2008 2009 fally ferre strongly stating they have arrived plus coupe decale storm boom malewa experiment,big success,two three years max,need of fresh air and anticipating those who planned to leave once in europe new experiment,generation ingeta brought in boom two three years max again
and most of that generation is gone already,so for certain nsone will adapt once again but unfortunately i feel it will also be some short term stop gap thing because young musicians are quicker to get big headed these days also
before i get accused of whatever,its the case for everybody no group in DRC is really getting where they want to be or how they want to be because of the context