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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: mvulusi96 on August 14, 2018, 12:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pD9-I6L80
Elliot Mondombe reveals that Werrason did everything to recruit Manda Chante in Wenge Maison Mere. He also said that Adolphe Dominguez brought Shella Mputu to Maison Mere, but that Werrason refused him. Because he came like Didier Lacoste from Yolo, which made him think that they could in the future start a band with Dominguez.
In the same video he said that the song Nostaglie was orginally written by Do Akongo (ex'Quartier Latin-guitarist) and that Heritier Wantanabe had to sing the song by his own. But that Ferre Gola was against by Heritier singing that song byhimself on the day that they were recording that song. With them ending up to sing the song together.
I think that Ferre feared that the song would be a huge succes, boost Heritier more and have a bigger impact than his song Victime d'Amour.
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Obviously because of seniority that Ferre thought he needed to feature in the possible hit song that nolstalgie was.
So Vieux Elliot is no longer with the Maison Mere team. Nice details about the beginning of Maison Mere. It seems to me that Blaise Bula had a complicated relationship with Ya Noel to the point that they fought on the day that Wenge 4*4 finally separated. Lol
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indeed they tried hard to get manda,the likes of biblos lufulu and co spent days trying to convince him but he wanted a clear salary with proof that he'd get it,and to rent a bigger house and be in conditions to give his best,i believe the way he got tricked away from the jps contract was revenge lol
a lot of maison mere fans i know or some i read on youtube still hold mad grudge against blaise lol just seeing blaise's face you'll see long ass posts on how 21 years ago now blaise wanted to kill werra but God has proven and so on and so on
like adolphe said they really need to be all reunited somewhere and bury for good all their grudges,its not good the way they are either distant,or having friendships which can explode any day in a matter of minutes
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@mvulusi96
Ferra Gola wasn't wrong in his assumption; Nostalgie is the better rhumba than Ferre's. However, they should both be proud of that song, the chemistry between both vocalist was very good.
@archos
Maybe Mande was too smart for his own good making all those demands, even though he was trying to maintain good business practice.
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Exactly what Vieux Mondombe is advising that Werra for example won't lose anything by calling all his ex members to come together and do a "best of Maison Mere album" . It would actually benefit him more.
But I guess egos would not allow.
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i believe ferre also suspected 12 on him since heritier was promoted earlier than planned to "threaten" him,and baby who he was then put on open strategic conflict with ferre was the big brother to heritier,coaching him in everything to become a proper maison mere first team worth guy
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Elliot Mondombe reveals that Werrason did everything to recruit Manda Chante in Wenge Maison Mere.
Manda Chante in WMM wouldn't have made sense, in my opinion. Maybe Wenge BCBG, but then his career wouldn't have gone anywhere. Aimelia Lias' old ass looked stupid with his shirt off in the album notes of Koyimbi Ko with the other kids; just imagine Manda. I also don't see how his compositions would've fit into Maison Mere's repertoire.
He also said that Adolphe Dominguez brought Shella Mputu to Maison Mere, but that Werrason refused him. Because he came like Didier Lacoste from Yolo, which made him think that they could in the future start a band with Dominguez.
Poor Shella. He's been dicked around his whole singing career. LOL
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I start to understand why Hériter was saying "nga na kimisa mutu oyo nga na ye to yembi Nostalgie" "na botoli ye ceinture challenger na ye na beti champion". I never notice a sign of a eventual rivalry between Ferre and Héritier I always wonder why they sang Nostalgie together now it makes sense.
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I think that Manda Chante would have achieved more in his solo-career if he accepted to join Wenge Maison Mere. But if I was Manda at that moment, then I would also have said no. Because he was then number 1 in Congo with his song Ibrahim and was about to be voted as best singer of the year, having concerts with big crowds in Kinshasa and paying all the musicians of the band. While if he would join he would risk not to be paid like in Wenge 4x4.
What was Werrason seeing in Manda Chante ? Because in 1999 when Manda left EL Paris he became very close to him and he even promised to take him to Bercy with Blaise Bula, but changed his mind on the last minute. There was even a moment that people said that he was about to join Maison Mere.
It's crazy to hear people who were close to Werrason or his staff saying that he was contacting Manda Chante, JDT and Depitsho. People who witnessed the succes of EL Paris will understand why I'm saying that. Now people are joking about them since that they don't have succes anymore, but back in the days they were giving Wenge 4x4 a hard time and nobody could beat them in having open-air concerts with big crowds. Manda Chante was then the president of Wenge EL Paris,Depitsho was the Vice President of the band or chef d'orchestre don't remember anymore and Jus d'Ete used to be one main stars in 1992 before that Depitsho took his role over when he decided to stay in Europe.
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I start to understand why Hériter was saying "nga na kimisa mutu oyo nga na ye to yembi Nostalgie" "na botoli ye ceinture challenger na ye na beti champion". I never notice a sign of a eventual rivalry between Ferre and Héritier I always wonder why they sang Nostalgie together now it makes sense.
In 2003 it became very strong, but it was more behind the scenes. But before the start of Les Marquis people from Werrason-staff tried to bring it in public, support Hertier and starting to report false stories to Werrason. Because they were jealous of Ferre travelling alot to France.
They started to do the same thing with Baby Ndombe and Werrason then starting to hate him at some point. With that fight-scene coming at the right moment, which made Baby being suspend for 2 weeks before they went to UK for Halloween. The staff started then gossiping more about him to Werrason with that story about Koffi who gave him money for a mission and that witchdoctor who said that he wanted to start a band and had to sleep with his wife. Which made Werrason decide to give him a indefinite suspension when they came back.
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then the same wata got sent challengers in miel and deplick,when lacoste wanted to bring his cousin miel in maison mere heritier was coming to see him a lot when he was rehearsing with miel in private and they already could not stand each other,then they managed to make them kinda become friends at first then once fully settled in maison mere miel got coached to activate the plan,there started their beef,i believe deep down outside of unsettling it was also a tactic to push the guysto be on their A game,maybe if heritier did not see that much people presented as his rivals when they joined he would not get that motivation to aswell remain a clear step ahead overall
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Let us make it clear here Werra has nothing to loose over reuniting or not to reunite with his PROTEGES....he gave them a platform to be who they are today. Werra eventhough not clearly stated has shown his managerial style .....and his style is for people not to retire in WMM but to get the exposure that is needed so that they can start their own careers and sustain their own lives. That Band is equivalent to a college, school, university were at the end of your study time you have to acquire the necessary skills and knowledge to survive on your own. I feel Werra's other proteges would have learnt from the mass exodus of Ferre and Co and leave with prestige simply by telling Werra that my time here is over let me go and fend on my own i have learnt alot and i will always come back here, this is my family. And La Zamba would be an open palace for such a one... I dont think Werra would be stupid enough to show a cold side to such a person. Let us not forget that WMM is Werra's Band, he feeds his family from that Band and it has lived on since the first generation of proteges left and today there is another intake in class doing very much well ....But what annoys me alot is that every singer has chosen to go along that route of raising the dust the day of exodus..or leaving in anger in the process spoiling the good old days and relationship made with the old man. It puzzles me when people ask for Werra to swallow his pride to have a dialogue with Heritier, Celeo, Ferre and many others....for what? I would only understand Werra to swallow his pride and have a dialogue with the likes of JB, Dominguez, Alan, and other BCBG 4x4 clan members coz those are his level not Werra to bow down to his students who left with pride and grudge after exposing them to a good life....take a look for yourselves in the archives of old videos and see how impoverished some looked especially Celeo and you will appreciate the significance of Wenge Maison Mere. Wenge MM is a school built on the Rock and it is more than a music band !!!!
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Elliot Mondombe also reveals that he had initially given the Nolstagie song to Ferre but that Ferre was not taking it serious which made him give it to Heritier who modified it and then Ferre became interested after it was programed and since he was Chef.
Speaking of Manda I just saw an interview with Nana Boduga were the members of Bana OK are refusing that directive by Papa Lutumba to give the band to Manda saying it doesn't make sense that Papa Lutumba could ask someone from outside to come lead the band when it has members who can take over the leadership.
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Elliot Mondombe also reveals that he had initially given the Nolstagie song to Ferre but that Ferre was not taking it serious which made him give it to Heritier who modified it and then Ferre became interested after it was programed and since he was Chef.
Speaking of Manda I just saw an interview with Nana Boduga were the members of Bana OK are refusing that directive by Papa Lutumba to give the band to Manda saying it doesn't make sense that Papa Lutumba could ask someone from outside to come lead the band when it has members who can take over the leadership.
kiekiekie. They all left and said that they would rejoin only if Manda Chante will be out the band.
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Elliot Mondombe also reveals that he had initially given the Nolstagie song to Ferre but that Ferre was not taking it serious which made him give it to Heritier who modified it and then Ferre became interested after it was programed and since he was Chef.
Speaking of Manda I just saw an interview with Nana Boduga were the members of Bana OK are refusing that directive by Papa Lutumba to give the band to Manda saying it doesn't make sense that Papa Lutumba could ask someone from outside to come lead the band when it has members who can take over the leadership.
kiekiekie. They all left and said that they would rejoin only if Manda Chante will be out the band.
Haha, « rendre à César ce qui est à César » Kester voice. I don’t understand why Mande accepted the offer thinking things would be sweet and everyone would be on board
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I feel Werra's other proteges would have learnt from the mass exodus of Ferre and Co and leave with prestige simply by telling Werra that my time here is over let me go and fend on my own i have learnt alot and i will always come back here, this is my family. And La Zamba would be an open palace for such a one... I dont think Werra would be stupid enough to show a cold side to such a person.
what annoys me alot is that every singer has chosen to go along that route of raising the dust the day of exodus..or leaving in anger in the process spoiling the good old days and relationship made with the old man.
Papa, Heritier did that with a open letter but what did that do for him...he got insulted by sankara and others on tv and Werra refused to answer any question to do with Heritier with the "to change page"...code 12....so yes Werra is stupid enough to show cold side regardless if you decide to leave in good terms or not....i don't know where you been to even make such statement.
It puzzles me when people ask for Werra to swallow his pride to have a dialogue with Heritier, Celeo, Ferre and many others....for what? I would only understand Werra to swallow his pride and have a dialogue with the likes of JB, Dominguez, Alan, and other BCBG 4x4 clan members coz those are his level not Werra to bow down to his students who left with pride and grudge after exposing them to a good life..
He should swallow his pride cos he's the older and the same person who sends people from his staff to attack his old workers. when it comes to pride, age or level doesn't matter...we don't leave in old age no more where adults demand respect regardless if don't deserve it or not....dictatorship mentally
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I think that Manda Chante would have achieved more in his solo-career if he accepted to join Wenge Maison Mere. But if I was Manda at that moment, then I would also have said no. Because he was then number 1 in Congo with his song Ibrahim and was about to be voted as best singer of the year, having concerts with big crowds in Kinshasa and paying all the musicians of the band. While if he would join he would risk not to be paid like in Wenge 4x4.
My point is, Manda is in a league of his own. Wenge MM is a group of younger musicians and dancers yearning for success in their own right. He didn't need them, he was already wildly popular. Since he was already in leadership with El Paris, why would he quit them and head to another group? It's like Simaro leaving Franco in the 80s to go play for Tabu Ley and Afrisa; it wouldn't make sense. Manda was simply too old than those younger guys and that's evident with Adolphe and Massela leaving followed by Aimelia, Manda wouldn't have been too far behind them. As much as I like Manda, if his career didn't skyrocket after he went solo then it's his own fault. Deliverance Totale was bootlegged in Kinshasa years before it's initial release (I have both copies...), so he didn't manage his career well in the 2000s.
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Dont speak from without....what evidence do you have that Werra sends that useless Sakara to insult people....of all people you should know that Sankara is just a bootliker trying to survive....therefore insulting people regrdless of the terms in which they left is his way to survive. Dont just jump on the bandwagon on mare speculations. Why should Werra bow down to people who left his band? did he kick them out? they left becoz there time was up just like a child leaves his or her parents home when he has come out of age. Never mind Werra is doing has been doing fine since the first Exodus and doesnt need any reunion to make it. He is an established leader who has given people a platform to perform. They come humble and live with Pride.....long live Maison Mere !
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Checkout how humble Taddet, Miel, Brigade and Olivier came...from 51:00 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z66aYFb4wSw&t=650s
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Dont speak from without....what evidence do you have that Werra sends that useless Sakara to insult people....of all people you should know that Sankara is just a bootliker trying to survive....therefore insulting people regrdless of the terms in which they left is his way to survive. Dont just jump on the bandwagon on mare speculations. Why should Werra bow down to people who left his band? did he kick them out? they left becoz there time was up just like a child leaves his or her parents home when he has come out of age. Never mind Werra is doing has been doing fine since the first Exodus and doesnt need any reunion to make it. He is an established leader who has given people a platform to perform. They come humble and live with Pride.....long live Maison Mere !
Stop being such a blind Stan werra clearly sends sankara cause if he didn't he'd have fired him long ago, like koffi did with kisindjora and others when they went on tv to talk about wazekwa and others or like fally did with tresor kongolo
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Dont speak from without....what evidence do you have that Werra sends that useless Sakara to insult people....of all people you should know that Sankara is just a bootliker trying to survive....therefore insulting people regrdless of the terms in which they left is his way to survive. Dont just jump on the bandwagon on mare speculations. Why should Werra bow down to people who left his band? did he kick them out? they left becoz there time was up just like a child leaves his or her parents home when he has come out of age. Never mind Werra is doing has been doing fine since the first Exodus and doesnt need any reunion to make it. He is an established leader who has given people a platform to perform. They come humble and live with Pride.....long live Maison Mere !
Stop being such a blind Stan werra clearly sends sankara cause if he didn't he'd have fired him long ago, like koffi did with kisindjora and others when they went on tv to talk about wazekwa and others or like fally did with tresor kongolo
Hey at least every big artist has their fan club represent in these types of threads. It’s the same rhetoric that their artist is head-and-shoulders above the rest and can do no wrong
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The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his own way.
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These kind of issues require simple reasoning not dwelling on assumptions and speculations driven by envy and jealousy
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These kind of issues require simple reasoning not dwelling on assumptions and speculations driven by envy and jealousy
What envy? And what jealousy? This is a Congolese forum talking about Congolese artist always sharing their music and making unpayed promotion to them, Werra was the most liked Album along with the one of Fabro and Ferre so I don't know what are you speaking about.
Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed, you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba) and got rewarded with Sankara insulting your mom (Ferre) or being forced to making another passport (Celeo) or being replaced without doing nothing (Bill replaced with Roi David) you act like Werra payed them and gave them the best time, if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food so to me it is senseless say that Celeo was poor and whole that, Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
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Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed, you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba)
It is fact that Werrason cannot not sing even to save his own life but fortunately, for him that in itself is not a limiting factor. He does not need to be a good singer at all because he has good singers around him and he is a very fine all round musician who knows how to makes excellent music. That is all he needs to be successful and he has that so the argument about his singing ability is a false one because he is not an opera or solo singer. What is irrefutable is that he makes excellent music and the success of his albums and concerts speak to that fact. Equally, to have him spoken about in the same sentence as JB and Koffi; to have him competing and winning against them is testament to him phenomenal talents. There is no need to peddle revisionist and wishful theories about an African legend whose works speak for them.
………….if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food so to me it is senseless say that Celeo was poor and whole that, Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
I am not sure why you make some wild assertions and speculative theories, skirting the facts that are already available………..The fact is that the lives of musicians who joined Maison Mere and left turned for the better. It is also true that the musicians worked hard and earned their change in fortunes. To me it is not an either or argument because there was mutual benefit.
However, there is no denying that the hand that helped them to succeed is that of Werrason and that is a fact that has stood the test of time and proven beyond doubt. The argument you make above that, “Werra would just be a street band making music about food” is a misguided opinion; not too dissimilar to one made by those that refuse to acknowledge the success of managers in football. Werrason like Alex Ferguson who built many successful football teams, continues to confound his critics by building new and successful Maison Mere teams.
Werrason has changed his team 4 major times with other small changes in between
Team 1: Ferre, Baby Ndombe, JDT, Adjani, Mabiala, Lacoste, Heritier
Team 2: Heritier, Bonbon Kojack, Capuccino, Kabose, Teka, Jitrois, Eboa Lotin
Team 3 Miel, Taddet, Olivier, Café Rhum, Nicodèm, Limousine Ferrai, Gemerose
Team 4 Café Rhum, Nicodèm, Iniesta, Christian Ozil, Basele, Satellite, Bobby Ronaldinho
Having changed his team as many times, it is foolhardy to contend that the success of Maison Mere has nothing to do with Werrason……….if not then who is responsible for that success?
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Why raising the patriotic card... that Werra doesn't know how to sing is your opinion which matters less to some of us. Werrason is an established artists who is consistent and has a mass legion of followers. Whoever dislikes him thats his own baby to nurse
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Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed, you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba)
It is fact that Werrason cannot not sing even to save his own life but fortunately, for him that in itself is not a limiting factor. He does not need to be a good singer at all because he has good singers around him and he is a very fine all round musician who knows how to makes excellent music. That is all he needs to be successful and he has that so the argument about his singing ability is a false one because he is not an opera or solo singer. What is irrefutable is that he makes excellent music and the success of his albums and concerts speak to that fact. Equally, to have him spoken about in the same sentence as JB and Koffi; to have him competing and winning against them is testament to him phenomenal talents. There is no need to peddle revisionist and wishful theories about an African legend whose works speak for them.
………….if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food so to me it is senseless say that Celeo was poor and whole that, Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
I am not sure why you make some wild assertions and speculative theories, skirting the facts that are already available………..The fact is that the lives of musicians who joined Maison Mere and left turned for the better. It is also true that the musicians worked hard and earned their change in fortunes. To me it is not an either or argument because there was mutual benefit.
However, there is no denying that the hand that helped them to succeed is that of Werrason and that is a fact that has stood the test of time and proven beyond doubt. The argument you make above that, “Werra would just be a street band making music about food” is a misguided opinion; not too dissimilar to one made by those that refuse to acknowledge the success of managers in football. Werrason like Alex Ferguson who built many successful football teams, continues to confound his critics by building new and successful Maison Mere teams.
Werrason has changed his team 4 major times with other small changes in between
Team 1: Ferre, Baby Ndombe, JDT, Adjani, Mabiala, Lacoste, Heritier
Team 2: Heritier, Bonbon Kojack, Capuccino, Kabose, Teka, Jitrois, Eboa Lotin
Team 3 Miel, Taddet, Olivier, Café Rhum, Nicodèm, Limousine Ferrai, Gemerose
Team 4 Café Rhum, Nicodèm, Iniesta, Christian Ozil, Basele, Satellite, Bobby Ronaldinho
Having changed his team as many times, it is foolhardy to contend that the success of Maison Mere has nothing to do with Werrason……….if not then who is responsible for that success?
At least some has reasoned beyond doubt
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What does this argument have to do with Werra trying to recruit Manda Chante. I’m lost...
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Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed,
How did they survive all these years if they didn't earn from being Maison Mere members? Some of these arguments are so full of bile and don't really make sense. Why didn't they leave earlier? One way or another they earned from being in Maison Mere & when they felt that they could earn more they left. It definitely was a mutual benefiting relationship.
you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba)
Here we go again with the "Werra can't sing" line. So fresh. Never gets old. SMH Franco was not the best singer of his generation but he made great music that we still enjoy to date. JB Mpiana was one of the best singer & voices in his generation but BCBG has been stuck in a rut for almost a decade. Babia Ndonga was one of the best voices & singers of QLI and indeed DRC but he didn't make much of himself outside QLI. Bro, there's much more to music than the ability to be a flamboyant vocalist.
if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food
LOL. Werra & Maison Mere are still the top guys in Congolese music years and years after those guys left. But you are here still telling yourself that without that group, Werra would be nothing. You forget that it was a group he put together by design and not by accident. he has reassembled his band 3 or 4 times after that
Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
I've seen fantastic music like Manda's Socrate which barely has 100k views while Fally's Eloko Oyo is headed to 45M views. Youtube views is not the correct benchmark for what is good music or who is a greater artist. Many of these artists with youtube views cannot even pull half a concert hall outside DRC while Werra still attracts crowds wherever he goes.
And if Werra got a "comeback only because of 7 Jours" who should get the credit for that success? Oh wait... Anyone else but not Werra.
I just don't understand the bile against Werra especially in this forum. Werra is not faultless. But he is not the devil people try to paint him here.
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What does this argument have to do with Werra trying to recruit Manda Chante. I’m lost...
You've been here long enough & should have gotten used to it by now ;D ;D ;D ;D Every post about Werra & Maison Mere will always end up with an argument about Werra not paying his musicians & Werra not being able to sing
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Stop being such a blind Stan werra clearly sends sankara cause if he didn't he'd have fired him long ago, like koffi did with kisindjora and others when they went on tv to talk about wazekwa and others or like fally did with tresor kongolo
Same Koffi who sent Kirikou & Chikito to talk shit about Ferre? No one is an angel in these beefings. Ferre sends Marc House to do it too. Watta does the same. Koffi does it. We shouldn't use different standards to judge Werra & Sankara
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Stop being such a blind Stan werra clearly sends sankara cause if he didn't he'd have fired him long ago, like koffi did with kisindjora and others when they went on tv to talk about wazekwa and others or like fally did with tresor kongolo
Same Koffi who sent Kirikou & Chikito to talk shit about Ferre? No one is an angel in these beefings. Ferre sends Marc House to do it too. Watta does the same. Koffi does it. We shouldn't use different standards to judge Werra & Sankara
Lol you maison mere fans are still talking?
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Maison Mere fans are the most stupidest fans I have ever seen...their way of thinking is so stupid and unbelievable.
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Don't be sarcastic dumbass...if you wanna go that way i personally i can be equal to it. Why can't you argue maturely based on facts rather than resorting to sarcasm. Stop flexing your muscles behind the key board defend your points wisely young bully
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What does this argument have to do with Werra trying to recruit Manda Chante. I’m lost...
You've been here long enough & should have gotten used to it by now ;D ;D ;D ;D Every post about Werra & Maison Mere will always end up with an argument about Werra not paying his musicians & Werra not being able to sing
Which is why the moderators created a Private Werrason & Maison Mere forum for this very purpose. Let’s get back to shit that actually has a bearing on our lives: The Music.
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Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed,
How did they survive all these years if they didn't earn from being Maison Mere members? Some of these arguments are so full of bile and don't really make sense. Why didn't they leave earlier? One way or another they earned from being in Maison Mere & when they felt that they could earn more they left. It definitely was a mutual benefiting relationship.
you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba)
Here we go again with the "Werra can't sing" line. So fresh. Never gets old. SMH Franco was not the best singer of his generation but he made great music that we still enjoy to date. JB Mpiana was one of the best singer & voices in his generation but BCBG has been stuck in a rut for almost a decade. Babia Ndonga was one of the best voices & singers of QLI and indeed DRC but he didn't make much of himself outside QLI. Bro, there's much more to music than the ability to be a flamboyant vocalist.
if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food
LOL. Werra & Maison Mere are still the top guys in Congolese music years and years after those guys left. But you are here still telling yourself that without that group, Werra would be nothing. You forget that it was a group he put together by design and not by accident. he has reassembled his band 3 or 4 times after that
Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
I've seen fantastic music like Manda's Socrate which barely has 100k views while Fally's Eloko Oyo is headed to 45M views. Youtube views is not the correct benchmark for what is good music or who is a greater artist. Many of these artists with youtube views cannot even pull half a concert hall outside DRC while Werra still attracts crowds wherever he goes.
And if Werra got a "comeback only because of 7 Jours" who should get the credit for that success? Oh wait... Anyone else but not Werra.
I just don't understand the bile against Werra especially in this forum. Werra is not faultless. But he is not the devil people try to paint him here.
Kiadi eh, have you ever read some of the older post? Werra is the stingiest leader and are donors who pay musicians 100% of the time unless musicians ask Werra himself. Everyone knows this even the rocks, it is not normal in my mind for a guy to don't pay the musicians and expect loyalty and respect
For the Franco Werra comparison, wow, are you really comparing Franco and werra? Franco and Tabu Ley are the reason why Congolese music was so much famous abroad not surely Wetra and Franco is waaaay more better to sing then Werra,
For the reassembling band, if he wasn't so stingy and self center no one would have left, reassembling a band it is not a good thing Werra of today is like a 4 to 10 level respect to thw one of Bill, Heritier and etc who was a 10 on 10.
And yes Werra is to credit for the comeback of 7 Jours but that's the only Album who has been relevant since A La Queue Leu Leu the only one, I am not trying to make Werra a bad man, I am a Werrasonik myself, and i follow wenge since the Solola Bien era when i had 7 I have griwn up to his muaic and the Koffi one so I know what I am talking about it, Werra really do not care abkut anything hut himself and his power, howcome he cannot speak to Heritier? After Heritier tried everything to be in good contact wtih him? JB might take even 110 years for an album but everytime he dropps something people will listen, JB really care about his people the only bad in that band is Seguin and his two friends while Wenge level through the time got mediocre which singer can be seen as thw top vocalist in Wenge now? And are you sure Werra get recognized everywhere? Let's make Werra make a worldwide tour and see hiw many noncongolese white, arab, asian, and latino eople show to his concerts. If I criticize Werra it is not because i hate him but because I am a fan and this Wenge will not go anywhere with this system it is normal to change people every year
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Kiadi eh, have you ever read some of the older post? Werra is the stingiest leader and are donors who pay musicians 100% of the time unless musicians ask Werra himself. Everyone knows this even the rocks, it is not normal in my mind for a guy to don't pay the musicians and expect loyalty and respect
Still doesn't explain why they still stayed in the band for 7-10 years without income. There was a mutual benefit for both. And I'm not advocating for non payment of musicians or law of the jungle in band management.
For the Franco Werra comparison, wow, are you really comparing Franco and werra? Franco and Tabu Ley are the reason why Congolese music was so much famous abroad not surely Wetra and Franco is waaaay more better to sing then Werra,
Not comparing Franco & Werra in any way. If you read through you definitely understood that my point is there is so much more to being a musician than being able to sing. Werra is not the greatest of singers, so what? Does that make him a bad musician if he can still produce good music?
For the reassembling band, if he wasn't so stingy and self center no one would have left, reassembling a band it is not a good thing Werra of today is like a 4 to 10 level respect to thw one of Bill, Heritier and etc who was a 10 on 10.
Everyone loses musicians. Wazekwa, Koffi, Ferre, Karmapa, even the JB whom you claim is very good to his musicians. There'll always be a reason for musicians to leave.
Bill & Co would still have left either way. If not for money it will have been for something else. It's the way of the business. About Werra being 4/10, that's an opinion not a fact. Everyone is entitled to theirs.
Let's make Werra make a worldwide tour and see hiw many noncongolese white, arab, asian, and latino eople show to his concerts. If I criticize Werra it is not because i hate him but because I am a fan and this Wenge will not go anywhere with this system it is normal to change people every year
Hehehe. You are taking things too far bro. Which Congolese artist can get Arabs, Latinos and Asians to come for their concerts? Let's take it easy on Werra aisee.
About Werra not speaking to Herritier. Who says he must? Just let Heritier do his thing & let Werra do his thing. They don't even have to like each other in my opinion. And if talking is so important, Werra talks to Fabro & Robinho. Is that not good enough or must he just talk to Heritier & Ferre? I don't get it
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Maison Mere fans are the most stupidest fans I have ever seen...their way of thinking is so stupid and unbelievable.
This response alone makes you the smartest guy in the room. Congratulations!!
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Zamunda Fally made a concert in Maroc and got golden and platinum disc in France you have said let's see how many people know Werra internationally and that is what being worldwide international about, I mean why don' you accept that Werra is not tge best leader? I spoke abkut Heritier because Werra with his words said that Heritier is at the same level of Gladys and Exaucee he is my son, and now he doesn't talk to him?
Zamunda to me is unthinkable that a muscian doesn't pay his artist, JB pays, Koffi, pays, Wazekwa pays, Ferre pays, even Heritier pays, and Fally pays musicians even though it is not much in western standars guess who is ome of.the leader who doesn't pay on regular? Werra, believe me if Wenge doesn't make a change all the little grouos like Robinio, Ibrator and so will be more famous then Werra
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werra also does pay bro but not on strict monthly basis and ALL of them in groups do complain in private,whatever they get is never enough for the pressure they have on their shoulders,you can for example find a dancer of a group who pays scholarship of 6 brothers and you know the system in DRC if you dont bribe the guys and pay some pointless extra fees aswell as the normal fees,passing exams is almost a miracle
maison mere happens to be a very special group which has been built on the basis of building strong units to destroy rivals and that implies big egos aswell so outside leaving for money like in every group at some point when there are too much egos in the group it ends up in many leaving,you'll notice maison mere is quite and cool when there is a new cycle,then when that cycle starts to reach the next step things start,apart from the money issues which frustrate in any group
the coexisting is cool when they are all fighting for the same cause at the beginning and like zamunda rightfully said when advantage is still mutual then when musicians get confidence that they have evolved either ego turns against the leader or between themselves to dominate each other
like for example now,new cycle,you have the odd guy here and there leaving because kakol and makaba are not putting him on concert lists but without any big fuss but that it
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Maison Mere fans are the most stupidest fans I have ever seen...their way of thinking is so stupid and unbelievable.
This response alone makes you the smartest guy in the room. Congratulations!!
no, it makes me the most honest. so thank you
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Maison Mere fans are the most stupidest fans I have ever seen...their way of thinking is so stupid and unbelievable.
This response alone makes you the smartest guy in the room. Congratulations!!
no, it makes me the most honest. so thank you
Only in Congolese music do we see such heated exchanges. The harsh name calling and back and forth by overzealous loyalists is ridiculous (like they know these guys personally). We fight over musicians in here like sports fans fight over Kobe & LeBron. These so-called polemics shows the level of immaturity for all involved including the fans. It's the same kind of bullshit that got our previous forums shut down, but I digress... At first it was BCBG vs. WMM, now it's Werra versus everyone else. These so-called beefs are going to get somebody killed and maybe finally we'll wake the hell up.
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Maison Mere fans are the most stupidest fans I have ever seen...their way of thinking is so stupid and unbelievable.
This response alone makes you the smartest guy in the room. Congratulations!!
no, it makes me the most honest. so thank you
Only in Congolese music do we see such heated exchanges. The harsh name calling and back and forth by overzealous loyalists is ridiculous (like they know these guys personally). We fight over musicians in here like sports fans fight over Kobe & LeBron. These so-called polemics shows the level of immaturity for all involved including the fans. It's the same kind of bullshit that got our previous forums shut down, but I digress... At first it was BCBG vs. WMM, now it's Werra versus everyone else. These so-called beefs are going to get somebody killed and maybe finally we'll wake the hell up.
It’s not that serious for people like me, I just can’t stand ignorance and know it all attitude.