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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on September 03, 2018, 11:53
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https://youtu.be/XBadK1exIL8
He says he joined maison mere in december of 2002 after issues with adolphe and his staff(when the staff started giving excessive priority and privilege to swahili speaking musicians like like lisha,to try to follow the tribal thing of jb and werra)
he meet the whole dream starting from the chef ferre aka mfumu mandiangu like some of them were calling him except serge mabiala and his first concert was in kinshasa at grand hotel to present a la queue leu leu because he did not want to join maison mere in europe so he returned with tonya tonya then made his move to maison mere
he says maison mere is a group where if you dont have a tough personality and strong heart you can cry,and he has seen a lot of musicians in his spell in maison mere literally cry because of those bad tricks and humiliation
he is asked about baby ndombe's departure,and he says as a newcomer he was seeing baby having become too confident(while in reality baby was just one of the most vocal members of the group about their upset) and he says werra when he is pissed with you he does not talk he'll just elaborate a plan to hit you hard and the guys of the dream team still believed what werra used to say at the very beginning of the group that its their group not a group of his employees to motivate them to give their absolute best,so they forgot it was a group totally owned and controlled by werra since they used to be relied upon a lot of times on their opinions in the beginning,and baby was (unfairly) suspended because he was starting to rebel and he was so confident of his importance given his contribution in the group and on ideas in the past that he still showed up at rehearsal a couple of times before being hit too hard with 12
About les marquis he is asked whether he was surprised,and he said he started to understand something was going wrong when the vice secretary of maison mere of then papy kabemba was strongly against him working in private with ferre and reported it to werra,
and werra advised him to rather work with heritier instead of the frustrated ferre and when they went on trip abroad him jitrois was hearing the guys complain a lot already and in their england tour which lead to les marquis creation there was a concert in leeds and some musicians started to act too strange,like ferre who literally took werra's spot in the line up while werra was in the back doing his entrance antics or bill who came to stand in front of singers instead of the far left of podium so he knew the mess became too big but he was surprised to see them remain in europe and he is asked about his car he came back with and how he was showing off with it,and he says he was doing that to hurt tonya tonya guys who thought it would be over for him if he left and ado asks if was taunting musicians of other groups and he says yes and talks about rio of bcbg rio was not taking his cars anymore but taxis because bill had hammered his main car hard with a baseball bat and jumped on the front of the car in a bcbg maison mere fight so rio was fearing to drive his cars again
ado then asked what caused him being a rival of heritier,and he says its maison mere who created that because they saw both of them as strong characters who are not afraid of saying what they think so it was safer to have them as rivals than as friends like they were,because they could get upset and go solo anytime, and the maison mere admins would for example pretend to send a musician to get money from a politician and they will tell his close friend that they told him to bring him also there while they did not,then since he did not bring his friend,the friend starts acting strange and they fuel the thing so much that it becomes a beef
and he says sometimes werra tricks were not working on him,like sometimes werra would bring his main men to a donor and exclude him but will be surprised to see him there also because he had strong personality
ado then asks whether it happened that some of his work was given to somebody else in maison mere,and he says yes that is one of the reasons why he left
jitrois adds when asked again about heritier that he was finding it normal that heritier gets that much space on songs because he was the most loyal of the lineup back then and heritier was a tenor singer so it was logical that he gets more space that a guy in the same type of voice than werra
jitrois reveals he was the one who did the structure and pre record of azmak and loin de toi of album temoignage when songwriters brought it to werra aswell as the new version of demi tour which was basically him and lacoste and became werra and heritier co leading and he says werra told him he can not have vocals on those songs because they have the same type of voices and werra then took by force his vocals and did it his way
he is asked about brigade and celeo and he says clearly what happened is that werra was not liking celeo anymore and brigade was sent to unsettle him brigade was switching to his then private microphone whenever he took a little breath to drink and celeo being smart instead of trying to get back his mic by force was going to take werra's and werra then understood that his trick has failed and himself was victim of the same thing with olivier and eboa lotin sent to force him out and since werra's plans were not working well enough they pulled the trick of kinshasa return trip where they told him they would travel at the end of the week while by the two first days they were already in kinshasa with his passport
jitrois says after ferre left, there was no chef d orchestre until he left,there was literally no chef at all until in 2007 aimelia was given for his loyalty chef de repetition role
he says werra once told him petit here its the jungle,its up to you to find which animal you will be in order to survive in this jungle and he jokes about lacoste being then a very calm guy and reveals that once they went to perform in the village of president sassou and musicians were furious with the money they got as they knew werra received a huge amount and lacoste was the only one who was not talking
in wenge maison mere,dont expect somebody to be sorry for you,whatever happens to you is your own problem(except mourning somebody in family and things like that) and werra himself was taunting musicians about the fact they can cry as much as they want who cares but he was making them big promises which he never fulfilled for example when they bounced back from les marquis blow with alerte generale he gave them some very sweet talk that they'll also have houses like he just bought and so on but nothing came while they really supported him,they even went to recruit musicians themselves and when they joined primus,they though things would improve for them while people around werra told him now you must get rid of them guys
ado asks if werra is le grand formateur and jitrois says no because many of his singers came with their talent already and came from other groups even heritier was already singing papa wemba songs in bcbg,but he knows how to showcase talent and if that much guys became stars in maison mere its also because werra is a limited singer so they could shine a lot more than if their leader was a very very good singer but you'll see that in groups where the leader is very very good as singer its harder to become big stars the way some of them became next to werra
ado then tries to bring quartier latin in the discussion and jitrois refuses to talk about it and says its not worth talking about(surely because of the double poisoning and the fact koffi suspected a relationship between him and cindy) and it annoyed him to death to have to do concerts sitting on a chair while he is young and full of energy
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Baby Ndombe keep going to rehearsal despite being suspended ?
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but he knows how to showcase talent and if that much guys became stars in maison mere its also because werra is a limited singer so they could shine a lot more than if their leader was a very very good singer but you'll see that in groups where the leader is very very good as singer its harder to become big stars the way some of them became next to werra
This logic makes sense. This is a group were even on live concerts the leader comes on stage 30 minutes after the musicians would have done the curtain raising and possibly even made a name for themselves.
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@archos
Thank you, archos for the translation! Those 2004 concerts in England were the end of Masion Mere as we it; I've never seen such repressed fustration from Congolese musicans before. Just look at Celeo's face at the 51 second mark...
https://youtu.be/xq5CEfCR1tg
Werrason is a horrible business owner and I'm surprise he can maintain any relationship with his artist post-Wenge given the dirt he's done.
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Baby Ndombe keep going to rehearsal despite being suspended ?
at the beginning,because he was suspended basically for defending a group mate against one of the maison mere bodyguard who wanted to bully him gotta be on of the operation dragon guys or somebody like that i cant remember too well,so he found his suspension unfair and came at the beginning until maison mere pull those versions that he went to a sorcerer to get power and the guy told him to sleep with mampata and he'll get werra's power and things like that and from then his access was totally blocked in the group,even interventions of his dad late pepe ndombe and simaro lutumba changed nothing
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Baby Ndombe keep going to rehearsal despite being suspended ?
at the beginning,because he was suspended basically for defending a group mate against one of the maison mere bodyguard who wanted to bully him gotta be on of the operation dragon guys or somebody like that i cant remember too well,so he found his suspension unfair and came at the beginning until maison mere pull those versions that he went to a sorcerer to get power and the guy told him to sleep with mampata and he'll get werra's power and things like that and from then his access was totally blocked in the group,even interventions of his dad late pepe ndombe and simaro lutumba changed nothing
Wasn't the Mampata rumors fake?
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yes it was it was created by maison mere admins of then so that werra hates baby to death,because at that moment baby being the second chef had got a written authorization of werra,along with the first chef ferre to bring contracts to the group and have a percentage on it,as werra tried to please them so that they do not leave,but then admins felt baby and ferre had now "blocked their business" as they were the ones doing it so they came with those rumours so that werra gets super super super angry and radical
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What happened with jitrois in QL how was he recruited and he was poisoned??
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it all started with 12 on him that he was seen at koffi's house while that day he was at home sleeping,then he was called that night by werra himself,to come the day after at rehearsal and prove its false and he came and then one of the usual antics of maison mere started with eliott mondobe taking the mic to say he had been calling jitrois but jitrois refused to pick because he had made his mind up about joining latino and as usual they picked 20 or so people from the crowd to give advice to jitrois( the usual humiliation comedy) and from then he felt it was over for him and olivier made it on tour instead of him and was sent to diss him and to their surprise he arrived in europe with quartier latin after finally being approached,after failing with kakol,heritier and eboa
then it all started well for him and for joss and co who was "stolen" in similar conditions almost,and as time went he was having tough relationship with people who lasted in the group and started being humiliated aswell on the mic and in his last two three months in the group he was poisoned once in kinshasa and once in lubumbashi if i recall well then when he recovered he went to seek financial support with jb and started his group
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@archos
Thank you, archos for the translation! Those 2004 concerts in England were the end of Masion Mere as we it; I've never seen such repressed fustration from Congolese musicans before. Just look at Celeo's face at the 51 second mark...
https://youtu.be/xq5CEfCR1tg
Werrason is a horrible business owner and I'm surprise he can maintain any relationship with his artist post-Wenge given the dirt he's done.
O.O That is disrespectful as fuck, no oone in the Congolese music has ever done that, taking the money of your boss right in front of him, I wonder what would have happen if Bon Bon hadn't stopped Celeo
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@archos
Thank you, archos for the translation! Those 2004 concerts in England were the end of Masion Mere as we it; I've never seen such repressed fustration from Congolese musicans before. Just look at Celeo's face at the 51 second mark...
https://youtu.be/xq5CEfCR1tg
Werrason is a horrible business owner and I'm surprise he can maintain any relationship with his artist post-Wenge given the dirt he's done.
O.O That is disrespectful as fuck, no oone in the Congolese music has ever done that, taking the money of your boss right in front of him, I wonder what would have happen if Bon Bon hadn't stopped Celeo
He was picking it up for nsone cause it's never a good look for the boss to pick up money from the stage musicians always pick it up for them and that wasn't bonbon it was Heritier that tried to stop him but celeo still picked it up to give to werra later
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@archos
Thank you, archos for the translation! Those 2004 concerts in England were the end of Masion Mere as we it; I've never seen such repressed fustration from Congolese musicans before. Just look at Celeo's face at the 51 second mark...
https://youtu.be/xq5CEfCR1tg
Werrason is a horrible business owner and I'm surprise he can maintain any relationship with his artist post-Wenge given the dirt he's done.
O.O That is disrespectful as fuck, no oone in the Congolese music has ever done that, taking the money of your boss right in front of him, I wonder what would have happen if Bon Bon hadn't stopped Celeo
He was picking it up for nsone cause it's never a good look for the boss to pick up money from the stage musicians always pick it up for them and that wasn't bonbon it was Heritier that tried to stop him but celeo still picked it up to give to werra later
Mmmm I don't think so honestly just check at the face of the whole group especially Celeo, he looks furious, and the other guys stare at the money like it is water in the desert, so you can visibly see the pain and the suffering and the struggling, Werra honeslty lost an occasion, he would be like Koffi (Koffi has 18 milion in the bank) in terms of money and fame all over if he wasn't that much greedy
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yeah celeo was unhappy i dont know if it was this concert or another but there was even a scene where one of his colleagues gave him part of the money he received in his pocket to calm him down
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@archos
Thank you, archos for the translation! Those 2004 concerts in England were the end of Masion Mere as we it; I've never seen such repressed fustration from Congolese musicans before. Just look at Celeo's face at the 51 second mark...
https://youtu.be/xq5CEfCR1tg
Werrason is a horrible business owner and I'm surprise he can maintain any relationship with his artist post-Wenge given the dirt he's done.
Damn, look at everyone’s body language. They clearly had enough and no one wanted to be there
yeah celeo was unhappy i dont know if it was this concert or another but there was even a scene where one of his colleagues gave him part of the money he received in his pocket to calm him down
You can see the hard life struggle in his demeanor. Frankly pathetic that Werra was incredibly stingy in compensated the guys who made him who he is now
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@Matebu
The hard tension among concert is similar to that seven years prior when Wenge Musica played one of their last concert together before spliting; you sorta knew who would remain with Werrason and whom would leave him.
https://youtu.be/nqaiht2j61g
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Wow Werra is a terrible manager, his staff really tried to get him to fire the Alerte Generale team when they helped out with the departures of key members. They would've been bad PR and if the plan succeeded how would new Members feel coming n knowing that the same thing can happen to them even if they produce a quality project. Wow so he really got poisoned because of rumors.