Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: mvulusi96 on June 14, 2019, 16:51
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I think that they will plan a second date or 2 dates aside that. So there will be maybe a Double-Bercy or Triple-Bercy event.
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@mvulusi96
Is the combatants problem in Europe resolved? I remember much of the noise was because many were angry about our artist being pro-Kablia. But since Kabila is "gone", perhaps calmer heads will prevail.
To peform the entire concert without incident, maybe Fally should hire private security to ensure everything goes according to plan or his staff could negotiate a peace agreement payment with those combatants for the duration of his concert.
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Already? Didn't expect him to almost sell out the place so soon.
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isnt it that various sites have a certain number of seats allocated? because on some sites i see that the tickets have started to be sold this morning 7 or so hours ago
good luck to him,not far from the 20th anniversary of koffi's bercy
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Please happen! No more cancellations!
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His security should be ruthless and deal with these combattants .They spoil everything for us to enjoy music.
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Looks like some Werrason-fans aren't happy with that. I saw on some facebook-groups and a youtube video of Frank Stemay with Mbuta Likasu, comments from them, saying that he had to perform at Stade des Martyrs first. Giving reasons like, its next to him, other giving the example that both Werrason and JB Mpiana performed and filled Stade des Martyrs before performing at Bercy. Forgetting that Papa Wemba & Koffi Olomide both performed at Bercy without filling Stade des Martyrs (both concerts there were big mpiaka). It won't suprise me if the Werrason-Fally beef would come back, because elders never likes to see their little brothers succeed. I remember Werrason & JB Mpiana in 2007 minimize the succes of Ferre Gola & Fally Ipupa when they were starting to have concerts with big crowds, with Werrason even saying that only gospelgroup Makoma scared him, while the question was what they found about their succes if G5 and not if they felt threatened about their succes.
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I think its better to send those videos of the combattans to the police and to arrest the leaders 2 days or 1 day before the event.
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His security should be ruthless and deal with these combattants .They spoil everything for us to enjoy music.
Yes, he should hire a few more Maître B52’s. Swiftly respond to combatants leading up to the show
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I saw that Wemba's former bodyguard Poison Gorbachev will made a big interview tommorow with the Congolese press. It seems that he's also against the concert of Fally and that of Koffi in the future.
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If Fally Ipupa performs a successful Double-Bercy or Triple-Bercy event, can we accept that Werrason is finished? We know how ruthless fans can be, but I can't see how Werrason could downplay this type of success.
If we're being honest, 7 Jours de la Semaine had enough impact to build up to Bercy or Zenith if Werrason was aggressive with promotion and touring. He's booked similar venues with albums of lesser quality.
https://youtu.be/UG9IkL5qW5M
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Hahaha. Werrason’s succes doesn’t depend on that of Fally. Its just about how people will receive his albums in the future and how succesful his concerts will be. Fally and Werrason aren’t of the same generation. Fally Ipupa and his friends used to copy Wenge 4x4 in Bandal, when Werrason and his friends where touring Africa. Its like you are comparing Tabu Ley to Emeneya. Werrason is already a legend while Fally has a long way to go.
Werrason could easily plan a concert at Zenith, but they were scared for the combattans. Don’t forget that 7 Jour de la Semaine was released some days before Heritier’s Olympia. Fally’s project of performing at Bercy isn’t of today he wanted to perform there already in 2012, but they were waiting to let the anger of the combattans cool down. The same for Werrason who was every year since 2012 teasing people to perform at Zenith and in 2014 at Bercy ( after the cancellation of JB’s concert at Zenith) just to test the reaction of the combattans. But the combattans were everytime replying very hard on Facebook and YouTube with Werra’s camp denieying to have planned a concert. Now we are 8 years further since the ban started and everybody (Werrason, Fally, etc.) is already to plan concerts in Paris, because they are fed and can’t live that way anymore (the entrance-fee of some concerts in Kinshasa is two coca-cola bottles, all VIP’s concerts just being invitations to donors, the staff, journalists and close friends. Because nobody wanting to pay 50 or even just 20 to watch a concert.)
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@mvulusi96
I can't believe these musicans let a bunch of street holligans restrict them from lucrative concerts for almost a decade. That's like if a group of residence in Brooklyn tried to riot and block the Barclays Center from hosting concerts for musicans...the police would send units and shut down that protest with force and serious legal penalty.
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The musicians themselves also help the combattans. Alot of Fally-fans, Werra-fans and Fabregas-fans helped the combattans to cancel Heritier’s concert at Olympia. Fabregas and his brother Christian were happy when it happened. The same thing happened with JB Mpiana’s concert with some sources saying that Koffi supported them. That problem about the concert could have been already solved in 2014. Because Rouph Mbuta Nganga, Nyboma and co were already negociating with the conbattans about that, but JB Mpiana messed it all up by announcing his concert at Zsnith with all combattans being furious and also alot of people in the diaspora (back in those days alot of people found that JB, Werra, Wazekwa, etc,.had to be penisjes for singing for Kabila’s campaign). So they had to start all over again and them only agreeing about diaspora-musicianss performing in little restaurants since 2014.
I think that all those could have Bern solves if the Congolese artists were united. But they are just fighting about who being the first to have openen “the door” to bring concert back in Europe. The Bomoko-association was made for that, but it ended up by becoming a association of the elders (Wemba, Nyoka Longo, Wazekwa, Werrason, JB Mpiana, Manda Chante, Reddy, Tshala Muana & Mbilia Bel) to get money from Olive Lemba, Joseph Kabila and the big officials of PPRD. They didn’t want to associatie the young generation (Ferre, Fally, ...) and Koffi (who was then isolation from everybody) to not get a smaller amount of money. It’s always the same bunch of people to get money from politicians and when there are funerals.
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How have we ended up comparing Werrason to Fally? We should be talking about Ferre. Werrason and Fally are in diffeeent generations for God's sake. They have never been in direct competition and their relationship has been good. Sometimes I don't even understand how we end up comparing Werrason to Heritier and not comparing Herritier to Fabregas, Robinho etc.
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These combattants are cowards .Sometimes i wonder what they are fighting for.
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I saw a video of one combatant's from the UK saying Congolese artists are now welcome to perform in the UK if they want. He also attacked Boketshu for still insisting that the concert ban continues and even went as far saying he would personally provide security for those musicians who want to come and play since that according to him the ban has been lifted because Kabila is no longer in power.
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the big issue with them is that one can say okay concerts are back then 50 will go hard and say no concert until the whole system around kabila is totally dismantled
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I saw a video of one combatant's from the UK saying Congolese artists are now welcome to perform in the UK if they want. He also attacked Boketshu for still insisting that the concert ban continues and even went as far saying he would personally provide security for those musicians who want to come and play since that according to him the ban has been lifted because Kabila is no longer in power.
The combattans are divided now. You have two camps, a camp who are pro-tshisekedi and who are also praising Kabila now and you have a camp who's anti Tshisekedi (since that Kabila helped him to get the power in exchange to not be arrested and have the power in the parliament, army and senate) and pro-Lamuka (the camp of Fayulu, Bemba and co).
Kabila is very smart. Now the whole country and the diaspora is divided and they are arguing about the most sillest things and tribalism becoming more stronger. Tshisekedi is making it worser by humilating Congo in every speech by praising Kabila and stupid decisions. He invited Paul Kagame for the mourning of his dad with the UDPS-supporters clapping, forgetting that he killed millions people in Eastern Congo.
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I saw a video of one combatant's from the UK saying Congolese artists are now welcome to perform in the UK if they want. He also attacked Boketshu for still insisting that the concert ban continues and even went as far saying he would personally provide security for those musicians who want to come and play since that according to him the ban has been lifted because Kabila is no longer in power.
The combattans are divided now. You have two camps, a camp who are pro-tshisekedi and who are also praising Kabila now and you have a camp who's anti Tshisekedi (since that Kabila helped him to get the power in exchange to not be arrested and have the power in the parliament, army and senate) and pro-Lamuka (the camp of Fayulu, Bemba and co).
Kabila is very smart. Now the whole country and the diaspora is divided and they are arguing about the most sillest things and tribalism becoming more stronger. Tshisekedi is making it worser by humilating Congo in every speech by praising Kabila and stupid decisions. He invited Paul Kagame for the mourning of his dad with the UDPS-supporters clapping, forgetting that he killed millions people in Eastern Congo.
If they are divided, that's even better for musicians. For example if concerts start in the UK, the ones in Paris will also buckle to pressure. The only problem is that the musicians themselves are not united in this cause. Because what would have happened is to set two separate concerts in two countries say France and England so that the little resistance is subdued or atleast one of the concerts goes ahead as scheduled.
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I really hope Fally gets to play this concert, it doesn't matter who's first to bring back concerts in Europe as long as the other artists are able to perform. Are any Europe based forum members going to this concert?
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These combattants are cowards .Sometimes i wonder what they are fighting for.
For real they do nothing but block concerts and make videos, some say they "fight" it's because of not getting shouted out after giving money, others say sleeping with their wives and daughters, having "obscene" lyrics, others cause of Kabila in power and couple singing for him.
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I really hope Fally gets to play this concert, it doesn't matter who's first to bring back concerts in Europe as long as the other artists are able to perform. Are any Europe based forum members going to this concert?
I’m trying to go my brother
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I really hope Fally gets to play this concert, it doesn't matter who's first to bring back concerts in Europe as long as the other artists are able to perform. Are any Europe based forum members going to this concert?
I'm London-based and a university student, but that won't stop me from thinking of going there.
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To be honest, I hope this happens! It's been too long since any congolese artist has successfully performed. I never fully understood the combattants problems with Kablia regime, but to me it's petty, it has nothing to do with congolese artist's performing in europe, even if they did support Kabila.
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So among the people who got tickets... me. So I’ll be seeing him at the Apollo next month and Bercy - I missed Koffi’s Bercy when I was young so can’t pass up the rare opportunity again
However, I will say... channeling @Jdog vibes :D F’Victeam really needs Mayi Ya Sika like Koffi back in 1999 or the concert will run the high risk of being unimpressive unless he has 50+ guests on stage
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So among the people who got tickets... me. So I’ll be seeing him at the Apollo next month and Bercy - I missed Koffi’s Bercy when I was young so can’t pass up the rare opportunity again
However, I will say... channeling @Jdog vibes :D F’Victeam really needs Mayi Ya Sika like Koffi back in 1999 or the concert will run the high risk of being unimpressive unless he has 50+ guests on stage
Hey broski if I end up going to Bercy we should meet up or something ;D.
I agree with Jdog I don’t wanna see that same old line up he usually brings abroad who always look tired, someone needs to tell him that or otherwise I’d rather he uses session artists again.
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Another person I don’t wanna see actually is Identite I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again he’s overrated. I’d much rather see Boussole, Kabuya (very highly unlikely) and Doubai (who reminds me a bit of Jean Louis Manzungidi 1st QL atalaku and Mboshi Lipassa but with less power) I find them better than him.
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So among the people who got tickets... me. So I’ll be seeing him at the Apollo next month and Bercy - I missed Koffi’s Bercy when I was young so can’t pass up the rare opportunity again
However, I will say... channeling @Jdog vibes :D F’Victeam really needs Mayi Ya Sika like Koffi back in 1999 or the concert will run the high risk of being unimpressive unless he has 50+ guests on stage
Hey broski if I end up going to Bercy we should meet up or something ;D.
Yeah Bro, It’d be a long time coming. I’m probably going to make a vacation out of it
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@mvulusi96
Given Kabuya's drug problem, I doubt Fally will select him to perform at Bercy. But what about Alvarito Solo? I remember he left the band briefly for a personal trip in the US, but are him and Fally on good terms? Do you think Felly Tyson will appear?
I'm fairly confident that Koffi will arrive as a special guest...
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I'm fairly confident that Koffi will arrive as a special guest...
I'm willing to believe that Koffi might be one of many special guests Fally brings out onstage ;D.
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Felly Tyson has to appear, one his soloists, I doubt Fally would chose alavrito