Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on July 21, 2019, 14:04
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1)I think Alvarito just has to go back to Fally
2)How did Bouro Mpela fail to make it as a solo artist,he had so so much impact in Quatier latin to be at Fally,Ferre etc level right now What did he do wrong?
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he lost a lot of time due to his accident and recovery then returned to his career for selfie tour with koffi and then now did his album he is about to release
alvarito tried to return but fally is reluctant you know fally and his logic of mafia,people rarely return around him once they leave eveen with a minor fallout
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1)I think Alvarito just has to go back to Fally
2)How did Bouro Mpela fail to make it as a solo artist,he had so so much impact in Quatier latin to be at Fally,Ferre etc level right now What did he do wrong?
He put him miself in discredit when he returned to Quartier Latin for the second time in 2006 while Alain Mpela was waiting to return to Kinshasa to promote Mortel Combat with him. Everybody had then something like this guy isn't serious. I remember also his own parents being very angry about his return to Quartier Latin and them cursing him and Koffi. Bouro Mpela didn't even last long and left after 5 months and which made people think like "what want this guy with his life". So he starting preparing Vice de Procedure in Kinshas with his musicians and then went to Europe. David Monsoh had normally to produce that album, but I don't know what went wrong between them. After that he signed to a big record label, but that record received alot of threats from his ex'boss, so they decided to drop him. Which made Duo d'Enfer (Adrien & Papy Mukiadi) record and produce his album. Vice de Procedure flopped very hard when it came out which was also partly due to his image and people being focused on Ferre vs Fally waiting also for Soleil Wanga's album. Shortly after Bouro made a reunion-concert in Paris with some old QL-members like Rolly Mayemba, Kerozene, Junior Kingombe, but the show was so/so.
After that he decided to settle in the US. In the US he made some playback-shows with his brother Alain Mpela in Las Vegas and New York, he also gave some shows with Jordan Kusa. But then he was victim of a big car-accident and almost died with rumors being spread everywhere that he died. It took months for him to recover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_VW-tY944
After the breakup with his ex'girlfriend he went back to Kinshasa in 2012 to present his new project Bokoko starting the recording there, giving then extrats of a remix-version of the song Calvaire. After that he went back to Paris to finish the album, he met Binda Bass's ex'girlfriend Leaticia Melody, starting to date her and changed Bokoko in a duo-album with Leaticia. He started to do some interviews here and there and present Leaticia Melody and they went to Congo to record some clips. But the album still didn't got released and Bouro then dissapeard on some point until that he met Koffi Olomide, signing a two years-contract with Koffi. Which included a song of Bouro Mpela in the new Quartier Latin-album. But he left after 7 months or something like, he felt himself humilated the way Koffi slept with his Laeticia Melody and some months later he decided to stay in Kinshasa while Quartier Latin went to Burkina Faso. He was furious because he saw it not as normal that they would perform while Papa Wemba died (Papa Wemba used to be his father in law), then shortly after that he decided to leave and restarted the Bokoko-project.
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maybe the obouo music thing is "bouton systematique" from....,since they always had a bit of ego rivalry even before big groups
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I think that the talent we lost in this generation is not bouro mpela but alain mpela ...
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Bouro Mpela is the new Bipoli. One thing that you shouldn't do in the Congolese music-scene if you want to become a succesful solo artist is returning to the band that you left. If you don't respect that rule then its finished for you.
For me Bouro Mpela made a big mistake to return to Quartier Latin for the second time back in 2006. Also if I think back to 1999, then I think that Bouro Mpela left Quartier Latin to early. He left it back in 1998 while he was on the rise to become a big star. He was already a big star but he had to confirm himself with a song, like the way Ferre Gola did with Vita Imana, Fally Ipupa with Eternellement,etc. But about to do it with Likombe, but left to form Academia with his friends Likome. I'm sure that he would've boosted him more if he returned with Koffi Olomide to Kinshasa after Zenith and he would have been untouchable. Bouro also little bit messed up by decided to leave Academia and return to Quartier Latin, because it give him the image to not being able to succeed in life without Koffi Olomide. I remember alot of people label him as "aventurie" when decided to return to Quartier Latin. I think that people would look on him differently if he joined Wenge Maison Mere or Wenge BCBG at that time after leaving Academia
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maybe the obouo music thing is "bouton systematique" from....,since they always had a bit of ego rivalry even before big groups
Yeah it can be true.
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I think that the talent we lost in this generation is not bouro mpela but alain mpela ...
Its a whole list of musicians Serge Mabiala, Adjani, Soleil Wanga, Chamberton, etc.
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Thank you guys for the info........thats so sad!! there are people you feel sad to see unsuccessful comparing to the way they shined back there........so from Koffi its just Fally only too bad,Quatier latin was almost n all star group.where is Brigade Sarbati?? I think the best thing he can do now is going back to WMM,be loyal and end his career there like Genta is to BCBG,it will earn him enough respect he is very creative,enegertic plus he has more than enough cries to make Werra's concerts more super.It seems solo is not just for everyone
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Never seen this collaboration coming, what happened to Alvarito's record label deal in the U.S.?
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@mvulusi96
I felt like Academia really gave him a boost, because the band gained so much popularity that they beat Werrason during the Fara-Fara of 2000 and with Palais des Congres concert that same year. With Bouro Mpela's dance skills being a highlight of the each main concert, something Koffi was missing even though he had Fally Ipupa and Depitcho Savanet.
In my opinion, all they needed was full-time drummer for recording and especially touring since Dju Dju Chet was studio session drummer and then a replacement for rhythm player Mike Evian since he remained in Europe when they returned to Kinshasa. Pitshou Concorde, Beniko, and a lot of those singers were simply recruited as vanity and were meant to thumb their nose at "le Carré Magique".
Then if Bouro Mpela had stayed under those conditions, the songs he could have recorded for Viagra could confirm his success as a successful alumni of Quartier Latin and the album Viagra could have been successful if they released it in the spring of 2001 rather than the fall.
Even if he left after that album, he would have been in a better situation to pursue a solo career than how things played out in reality. But what do you think of my theory, ndeko?
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Academia gave him space to release songs on his name and do more vocals, but I felt that could gave done more and didn't show all his talents and also it was like he was always in the shadow of Sam Tshintu. I guess that his fans were also that starting that "songi-songi" about how Sam could dominate him and become the image of the band.
Yeah, Academia arrival in Kinshasa were a huge buzz, but it was also because of people being curious about them since that they didn't see them since 2 years, Academia being Europe-based and their staff based in Binza and the rest of the Ngaliema-area doing some huge promotion in Kinshasa.
The fara-fara of Academia against Werrason on the New Year Eve in Paris was already months after Bouro's departure. The succes that Academia made in Kinshasa was in reality destinated to Koffi Olomide for his shows at Zenith and Olympia, but it was messed up because of the departure of Sam, Modogo, Bouro, Lebou, Pathy etc. and the interview they made in Paris with Zacharie Bababaswe saying that they weren't paid and other stuff which made them get alot of sympathy from people Kinshasa, the majority of the press then also turning against him (a part of them was first closing their eyes when he was disrespecting Wemba and Nyoka Longo because of the succes of Zenith and Olympia) and Koffi Olomide losing all his respect in one second, ending up by performing in a empty Stade des Martyrs and week later also a empty Intercontinental.
Djudju-chet was Academia's full-time drummer, being then paid directly by Secteur A and not by Academia like Mike Evian and Charly Mbonda, but Sam and co were so eager to get a full-time drummer recruited by themselves so they took Tshe Tshe le Balle in Kinshasa who drummed the whole Viagra album by himself (Djudju helping him to tune the drums).
Mike Evian went with Academia to Kinshasa and participated with them to their first concerts (Cinemax, l'Esplanade de Palais du Peuple, then Hotel Invest, Le Palais des Congres de Palais du Peuple,..), but then he left. I don't know what went wrong with Blaise Musika-sika switching from mi-solo to the rhythm-position.
Beniko Popolipo was recruited for his experience and to coach the new recruits Pitshou Concorde, Musika-Sika and those remained in Kinshasa like he used to do in Quartier Latin where Felly Tyson, Lebou Kabuya, Professeur Didace, Rocky Blanchard and Pathy Bass profited alot from his coaching and made a big progress. Remained in Europe to get papers and solve a big problem (Koffi took a ngulu to Europe with his passeport and adviced the guy to marry someone in France with Beniko's passeport to get papers).
Even if Bouro Mpela would have left Academia later, then I don't think that he would succeed as a solo artist. He doesn't have that charisma of a bandleader. I see him more as a guy who shines bands, like we saw Debaba and Carlyto shining in Choc Stars. But we will never now. Back in the days 1998-2006, it was impossible for a young artist to succeed. Savanet Depitcho for example had already a big fanbase in Kinshasa when he used to be the chef d'orchestre of Wenge El Paris and created a big fanbase in Europe after Olympia, but he failed when he released his first solo album in 2001.
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@mvulusi96
In defense of Bouro, Sam Tshintu cast a pretty big shadow because he always asserted himself as leader of the band from the very beginning. He was always front and center in concerts and clips, but success came too quickly and his ego pushed his bandmates ways. Even when they were in Quartier Latin, it was neck and neck in popularity between Sam and Bouro Mpela until Loi because of Mpela was untouchable when it came to dancing ndombolo.
I understand your defense of Beniko, but the rest of the new singers and musicans that joined Academia were excessive. They already had Pathy Bass, so why bother recruiting Clovis Ngouma? He only played on three songs on the album and Pitshou Concorde only played on Tres Fort (the song of Pathy Bass that ironically Pathy doesn't play bass guitar on).
Why did Sam recruit Abilisi of Extra Musica Zangul? He barely had any vocals on the entire album and wasn't even in the album liner notes. If anyone got a boost from Viagra, it was Sukuzi and Eric Menthe. Whatever happened to Tonton Lay? Sam was just recruiting people left and right smh
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Why putting everything on Sam ? almost all the 7 leaders wanted extra singers and musicians, especially Somono.
Congolese music in the late 90s/early 2000s wasn't anymore like that of the 50s and 60s having just 2 or 3 singers in the band, having then just to sing for 2/3h max. From the 70s they started to perform for 6/7h long and sometimes even 8h long, hence why bands like TPOK Jazz had alot of singers and instrumentists as reserve because its very exhausting to hold an electric guitar for so long or singing for a long time (being from thenalso able to perform at 3 places in Kinshasa at the same time and the musicians switching from places). That's also one of the reasons why Blaise Bula and JB Mpiana came in Europe during the Titanic-tour to the idea to recruit 4 extra singers if they would return in Kinshasa, because of them being tired after 2/3h. I think that Sam, Modogo, Pathy and co decided to recruit more musicians for the same reasons besides of wanting to prove that they were also a big band like Wenge Maison Mere, Wenge BCBG, Quartier Latin, Nouvelle Ecriture, etc.
Abilissi was recruited because of Bouro Mpela leaving the band. Abilissi didn't stay long in Academia, he left the band after the two first concert of their second Europe-tour and then tried to rejoin Extra Musica Zangul but was rejected by Roga Roga and Espe Bass.
Clovis Ngouma hadn't a job anymore after leaving Quartier Latin in Europe so he decided to join Academia along with Mustapha Nkori and I think that Pathy Bass was ok with it, because I saw him often in videos being tired at some point, but being forced to play until the end. In Kinshasa he was often taking off his jacket/smoking and blouse, playing then bass in his vest. But with Clovis he was often able to rest and smoke cigaretts in peace. The same for Lebou Kabuya who was giving Pitshou Concorde some space if he wanted to rest, playing mostly lead when Kaddy, Laura and co were about to dance on stage.
People were paying more attention to Tonton Lay (the son of Evoloko Jocker) then Eric Menthe even after Viagra. I think that people would respect him more if he had patience and stayed in Quartier Latin. I tought I would see him in Monde Arabe, but Koffi took Junior Kingombe instead of him.
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Apparently they will tour in some african countries together and even record a generique together,and as you could expect in current configuration of our musicians,journalists are already being sent to attack them
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yeah, I saw Ken Mpiana making a whole video against him attacking then also Alain Mpela and the Mpela-family. Bouro Mpela didn't even attack or insult Fally just saying that Fally wasn't his boss but all journalists with who he made interview were keeping pushing him to say something bad about him. I don't understand why journalists always likes to ask about Fally to ex'musiciens, its so annoying. Why dont Fally ignore it like he used to ignore the attacks of Sankara, Kakol and the musicians of Ferre back in 2009 & 2010.
Btw those facebook-pages are so obsessed with attacking Celeo. I saw Les New des Stars share an image of Celeo and a Gorrilla claiming that Ndombolo Leader had posted while it was a guy from Luanda or Congo who posted it the Ndombolhino Leader Majesty-group (that group is only full with insults against artists from people living in Kinshasa and Luanda and also them insulting each other). Ndombolinho himself received alot of attacks and phone-calls because of that which made him delete his private facebook-account.
(https://i.postimg.cc/prCqhyX5/Image-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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they want to take celeo( and some other artists who you surely know already) to the extreme and make them accept to bow down to fally before starting to talk nice about them
i just found a video of equaliseur who said he just refused to a ken mpiana's site journalist an interview with bouro because it was full of questions about fally and turned in a polemic way and they did not want to have polemic against somebody,like you just said and to his surprise ken started attack him while they could just have changed their questions
and obviously like often these days,number of dislikes much bigger than likes while he said absolutely nothing bad about fally and even wished fally good luck on US tour
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maybe fally does not ignore anymore because he reached what he wanted, a clean image to start his career,people liking him for his music and humble attitude,then a lot more fans as his career advanced then boosted by that concept of clans made popular by late yanki,received support from koffi and werra fans,and his fans and journalists over praising him while belittling each other(nothing wrong in praising him for his superb career but the constant bashing of others in it was not cool) and turning him into a semi god
now his image is like a crossover between the fally who went hard on jb and viva members back in the days and the very diplomatic fally of droit chemin to power but more mean behind the scenes
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ADT Yanki Mpuy created a monster, its also because of him know journalists can't properly do their job otherwise they will say that they were paid by x artists to attack artist y. I think that ADT and the Maison Mere-camp supporting Fally just to denigrate Ferre Gola and Heritier and pissing them off was a bad idea. I think that in 2 or 3 years Fally could turn agaist Werrason like he did with JB Mpiana and replying then against Fally will be to late, because he has now more fans then JB and Werrason together.
Thinking now about ADT Yanki Mpuy, its now already 1 year ago that ADT Yanki Mpuy passed away. I tought that Werrason and Wenge Maison Mere would do something special for him (an event, song or something else), but it didn't happen. Only some facebook-pages were paying tribute to him and Gloria Olangy when she interviewed Claudine Kinwa.
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@mvulusi96
I wish Abilisi had stayed with Academia, he seemed like such a natural fit for the band. Check him out at 1hr and 3 minute mark, his vocals were very good! Why did he leave so quickly? He should of known there was no place for him at Extra Musica, especially with Papy Jah working hard for the space he eventually got in Trop C'est Trop.
https://youtu.be/e4dGfqmRSBs
We have to hold our journalist accountable for trying to start polemique, because they wouldn't do so if we didn't pay such controversy so much attention. Negative press seems to drive web traffic more than news about the artist or his music.
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I don't why know left maybe that Tonton Lay, Eric Menthe and co of the tenor-section weren't liking him or maybe that he was spiritually attacked. But yeah, Abilissi really fitted in Academia, having also the looks. I wonder how the combo Abilissi-Sam Tshintu-Modogo-Suzuki would have been.
There a place for Abilissi in Extra Musica. In Brazzaville they already recruited Kerson Saddam as his replacer and Rossen (who was singing in a normal way), but they were left behind because they were new members. This made Papy Jah getting alot of space in Trop c'est Trop being then also the only tenorist in the band. Roga Roga and co rejected Abilissi because they didn't like the statements he made against them in interviews.
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@mvulusi96
Although we knew Papy Jah was talented from Shalai, he really defied expectations. Just listen to his vocals on Gambala, Zangul Zangul, and especially on the chorus of Guviano! Listen to him at 2:25 and once more at 9:10, he's still got it.
https://youtu.be/LHePSIGVzas
Do you think Papy Jah should have taken his chances like Depitcho and stayed in Quartier Latin despite having enemies in the band or should he have rejoined Extra Musica? I doubt he would have been given much space, because they already had tenorists like Michaux Chamberton, Roi-Soleil Wanga, and Gipson Butukondolo (who was overrated if we're being completely honest lol).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6LqHvUpkZs&t=2007s
Here is the interview i was talking about
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@mvulusi96
Although we knew Papy Jah was talented from Shalai, he really defied expectations. Just listen to his vocals on Gambala, Zangul Zangul, and especially on the chorus of Guviano! Listen to him at 2:25 and once more at 9:10, he's still got it.
https://youtu.be/LHePSIGVzas
Do you think Papy Jah should have taken his chances like Depitcho and stayed in Quartier Latin despite having enemies in the band or should he have rejoined Extra Musica? I doubt he would have been given much space, because they already had tenorists like Michaux Chamberton, Roi-Soleil Wanga, and Gipson Butukondolo (who was overrated if we're being completely honest lol).
Yeah, because Koffi needed a strong tenorist since that Eric Tutsi and Babia Ndonga weren't serious. The voices of Soleil, Gipson, Bouro, Deo Brondo and Chamberton weren't strong enough as tenorist hence why they feared him with Soleil and Gipson saying that they would attack him with nkisi and asking if he as strong nkisi like them which scared Papy Jah. With Fally then also not liking him thinking that he would steal his role as the boss favorite, saying then to Koffi that he had to stop copying Werrason. Coming then in the studio with "Boss, I think that you are copying Ngiama" and Koffi then replying by "Ah!!!, vraiment. Veut dire nga nazo penza copier Ngiama" and Fally then saying "Yes, you are really copying Ngiama" adding then "You recruited Kerozene to copy Bill and decided to leave CNN behind in Kinshasa and know you recruited Papy Jah because he sings like Ferre. He doesn't sing bad, but its like you want to make from Quartier Latin a Wenge Maison Mere." Koffi was then so furious saying then "So you are making from it a state matter (Affaire d'Etat), just because he's from Brazza?"
Koffi would give Papy Jah space. Everybody in Quartier Latin was getting the same chances and the same amount of vocals. Papy Jah was ready to put vocals and do the chorus with the rest when they started recording Effrakata, but they deleted it when he left.
Gipson Butukondolo isn't overrated. He gets the respect he deserves. Gipson is an excellent songwriter and wrote 3 succesful songs Ba Lobiens, Biblia and Mopretre Lendila. Mopretre Lendila is a song about where he's advicing people to be patient in life. The song was for a long time number one of the Africa N1-radio hitparade Kilimandjaro. Gipson along with Fofo Le Collegien the only musician from the Quartier Latin-generation of 1999-2006 who wrote a song about life while the rest only made love song. The song Biblia from Affaire d'Etat was a huge succes and becaome the second best song of the year behind Reddy's Assistante Sociale. Beside that all vocals of Gipson are memorable while you got vocals of other singers who are quickly forgotten. Gipson sings welll, but the only thing that I didn't like from Gipson was that his voice was messing the chorus up when Mutshapha and Babia weren't around. But that problem got solved when Ferre Gola joined. I'm sure that that problem would already be solved if Papy Jah decided to stay in Quartier Latin.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6LqHvUpkZs&t=2007s
Here is the interview i was talking about
I will watch it later.
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And when Bouro left, Eric Mente also singing Prototype in concerts ?