Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: mvulusi96 on August 30, 2019, 00:15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfHcCLn4pk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGvQJcVV_s
from 6:23 min
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Very doubtful. The first two notes sound similar but that’s about it. In Tata’s version the second note extends to the next measure whereas in the Dallas version the first measure only has quarter notes. Plus it’s in French. I’d put my money on it being composed in France and subjected to French laws because the English version is TOTALLY different.
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Ah, the only Adolphe/Wenge Tonya Tonya album with good sound.
Powerful album. Washington «l’animateur qui contrôle la terre»
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American copyright law is set by precedent and with the recent ruling against Pharrell Williams with Blurred Lines, this song would be held liable for copyright infringment. Despite the similarities, Wenge Tonya Tonya expands on that rhythm with a dynamic guitar solo and drum passage, but the underlying melody is still very similar.
That's all it took to get Pharrell to pay a settlement to Marvin Gaye's family, because the court ruled the foundational melody to be similar between their songs; both use cowbells and a generic 70s funk beat.
https://youtu.be/CeKpscEfM28
https://youtu.be/qhFNY9zW2F4
Personally, I believe that the similarities between Dallas theme song and Wenge Tonya Tonya's generique is entirely by chance. I doubt they even know what Dallas is, I barely do and I live in America lol
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Personally, I believe that the similarities between Dallas theme song and Wenge Tonya Tonya's generique is entirely by chance. I doubt they even know what Dallas is, I barely do and I live in America lol
Haha, you just admitted you’re too young. Back in the day Congolese were extremely obsessed with Dallas. It was a decades old phenomenon. This was intended
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@Matebu
Dallas was well before my time, I'm twenty-three kiekie! Lol
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Never heard listened to Mouna, should i give it a try?
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Never heard listened to Mouna, should i give it a try?
Most definitely, catch while it’s still on streaming. Adolphe is weird about keeping his catalog on streaming. Always disappearing
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Never heard listened to Mouna, should i give it a try?
Most definitely, catch while it’s still on streaming. Adolphe is weird about keeping his catalog on streaming. Always disappearing
I will do. I remember affaire Tonya Tonya being available and then boom..deleted. Why does he do that it could benefit him in some way
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American copyright law is set by precedent and with the recent ruling against Pharrell Williams with Blurred Lines, this song would be held liable for copyright infringment. Despite the similarities, Wenge Tonya Tonya expands on that rhythm with a dynamic guitar solo and drum passage, but the underlying melody is still very similar.
That case was bullshit decided by people who don’t compose music or familiar with music law. You can’t copyright a groove or a rhythm. Copyright cases are normally decided by similarities between melodies.
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Ah, the only Adolphe/Wenge Tonya Tonya album with good sound.
Powerful album. Washington «l’animateur qui contrôle la terre»
I STILL rock that album til this day! Lacoste and Shella Mputu shined on that record. And the bass line in Rami is insane. It was so underrated and buried underneath the BCBG/WMM wars back then. Classic Adolphe for sure.
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@Tata Nkiadi
Those lawyers are very sophiaticated; he used an interview Pharrell made about the song against him as evidence to prove that that he knowingly plagiarized Marvin Gaye's song.
https://youtu.be/_UGpVsrSLRk
What Pharrell actually said in the interview is that he wanted to channel the style of Marvin Gaye from 1970s into a modern song, but no specific song was a main influence. He just listened to a lot of material from that decade which inspired him. But the lawyer is rereading that interview to Pharrell out of context so that he can get illicit an admission of wrongdoing.
An example of American music copyright law could rule that JB Mpiana would have to pay a sizable settlement to Tshala Muana for the song "RDC" since it samples one of her classic records.
https://youtu.be/7IaBSZVmQvg
Same applies to Fally Ipupa (2:45 second mark) , by American standards he infringes on copyright protection by the unauthorized use of that OK Jazz song.
https://youtu.be/4cPN1UN_lcE
https://youtu.be/YG00TTevcWc
You can see how quickly things can get out of hand...
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@Wenge1995
Indeed! Congolese are the worst infringers. The irony is that they don’t view it as stealing but as a way to pesa respect ya ba artistes.
Sad to say, Lokuta Monene is one of my favorite OK Jazz songs. Actually, every OK Jazz song to dedicated to Mobutu/MPR are some of my favorites.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfHcCLn4pk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGvQJcVV_s
from 6:23 min
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/arts/katy-perry-dark-horse-suit.amp.html
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Adolphe is lucky to be Congolese, Katy Perry will pat 2.8 milion for copyright towards a song by Flame called Joyful Noise that she presented as Dark Horse
https://youtu.be/QCcW-guAs_s
https://youtu.be/0KSOMA3QBU0
Wow 4.3 milion against 2.6 bilion. See that is exactly how White Americans were stealing things from black American and 2.8 milion honestly is too much little for how the song have performed and what have generated
616 milion streams against 3.8 milions. God these things make me so angry!!!!!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJdv9wD6/Screenshot-2019-08-30-10-32-17.png) (https://postimg.cc/6816T2xN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpzHZtNK/Screenshot-2019-08-30-10-33-00.png) (https://postimg.cc/sBQjWj3G)
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@Wenge 1995
Adolphe would not be sued if he was American because those two songs have different melodies. Katy Perry on the otherhand, the melodies are EXACTLY identical. Flame deserved to win that lawsuit. The copyright infringement is very clear. Katy Perry used to be a Christian artist and Flame are Christian artists so you can easily see how she got their song and drew so much inspiration from it that she copied the melody note for note.
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Then these guys should pay Extra Musica a whole bunch of money...unless they got permission to use Etat Majeurs like they did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBeROZ4PrA
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@Tata Nkiadi
Dallas was one of most popular and among the longest running TV shows of the 20th century, it aired nearly all over the world during it's twenty year run so it's likely Adolphe could be passingly familar with show and that's ALL the American lawyer needs to prove. Remember, any concert footage relevant to the song can be used as evidence against you in court.
An American lawyer can establish Tata's prior knowledge of Dallas because his band sings in the style of the theme song during their Swiss concert @ 9:28 yet at no point does he nor his producer reaches out to CBS to clear the record as standard for copyright protection protocol. You can still clear your record of any licensing issues with the album out, but any profit you make from live performances or record sales could put you in legal hot water. His European tour was a long and he peformed this melody, often with his band singing in the style of Dallas theme song...sorry ndeko, he would lose in American court.
https://youtu.be/8FppaN08TTk
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@Congomusiclover001
For them to recorded a cover of Etat Major, they recieved permission from the copyright holder of the generique through a leasing agreement (which I still believe was paid to Cyriaque Bassoka Productions).
As for the three albums Extra Musica released with JPS Production, I know Sony Music Entertainment owns the rights to their catalog.
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I think Anta Ngapy Production who produced Ouragan & Etat Major for them. Because Cyriaque just released the re-issue of Etat Major somewhere in 2015 or 2017.
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@Tata Nkiadi
Dallas was one of most popular and among the longest running TV shows of the 20th century, it aired nearly all over the world during it's twenty year run so it's likely Adolphe could be passingly familar with show and that's ALL the American lawyer needs to prove. Remember, any concert footage relevant to the song can be used as evidence against you in court.
An American lawyer can establish Tata's prior knowledge of Dallas because his band sings in the style of the theme song during their Swiss concert @ 9:28 yet at no point does he nor his producer reaches out to CBS to clear the record as standard for copyright protection protocol. You can still clear your record of any licensing issues with the album out, but any profit you make from live performances or record sales could put you in legal hot water. His European tour was a long and he peformed this melody, often with his band singing in the style of Dallas theme song...sorry ndeko, he would lose in American court.
https://youtu.be/8FppaN08TTk
I’m a composer/musician and I’ve studied American music law. I know what I’m talking about.
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@Tata Nkiadi
Being a composer gives you an advantage of analyzing music sheets for similarity in structure, but once the decision goes to the jury then it's out of your hands. The metrics by which music plagerism is defined is often unclear even with comparison of sheet music, as a composer...YOU should know this.
https://youtu.be/1NkjKpN5S8U
As I've repeated before, American law favors decisions based on precedent as opposed to studying each case by strictly it's own merit. If you are really familar with American copyright law, then you should know the several similar cases that preceeded Pharrell and Katy. It shouldn't suprise you about the ruling on both.
We have professional musician absolving artist from wrongdoing using basic music theory, but still these greedy lawsuits have enough legs to freeze up artist's publishing and force the issue to trial. Best believe that if Adolphe was an American singer, he would lose and be liable to pay CBS based on previous cases.
https://youtu.be/27NbNks2eg0
https://youtu.be/W4MuhPqfIk4
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BRUH... I'm gonna say this one last time: The songs sound NOTHING alike! Do you think that CBS is going to waste money over a coincidental hit. if that was the case, there would be no songs. CBS wouldn't waste their time and resources over songs that few Americans know. Now if he sampled a whole line and copied the melody verbatim, and he made a shit ton of money, there may be a case. HOWEVER, that Dallas theme song is copyrighted in France written by Frenchmen which was a common practice for a lot of American 80s TV shows broadcasted in France. If there was a case, it would be tried in France.
Check out that Actual Dallas Theme Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sKX3tWaOew
Totally different song.
Let me also piggy back on the Blurred Line song. The only reason why Marvin Gaye's family sued is because the song made Robin Thicke, Pharrell & T.I. a lot of money and it gained a lot of airplay. The record business is a shady greedy business. As soon as I tasted even a piece of it, I was immediately turned off. I had been trying to get out of my BMI contract for a while, and they wouldn't let me, so I stopped submitting songs to them and generally gave it up