Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on November 04, 2019, 16:43
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https://www.facebook.com/NdombolhinO.243/videos/1232610226926758/
he says nobody ever copied tutu caludji while him bill is the most copied artist on earth and caludji did nothing special,his ndombolo was only succesful in DRC,its koffi who had continental success with ndombolo and caludji is a limited atalaku,he cant dance he just moves randomly his legs
papy teases him with genta hinting that in the long run genta had way more succesful animation than him and he says genta himself where he is knows he is not as good as bill even in his craziest dreams...
I dont remember if its this interview but he belittled innos b and diamond platnumz and reminds of the way he uses to attack wazekwa on generiques because of gessac... and at some point in interviews,papy tried to talk with him in tshiluba (and what some people said might be true,he is not fluent in tshiluba despite having sang and done animation in tshiluba) and asked papy if he could speak his native tongue kimbala to counter him and papy asked him after seeing how hyped he was and dissing left right center in kimbala whether he is drunk which he did not understand
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Is there any Ivorian Dj during the Coupe Decale-era (2002-2009) who animated at least one of Bill's cri ? no
But one of Tutu Calugi? yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvI8gc78YQ4&list=WL&index=8
from 3:49 min
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This all is because of ADT Yanki. Now all Congolese people are thinking that Ndombolo ya Solo had zero succes outside DRC and the press even believing it and blindly copying i. I was even shocked to read that they even wrote it on the wikipedia-page of Koffi and Ingrid Kabongo saying that while interviewing it one of the former QL-member. They will all discover how big and crazy impact "Ndombolo Ya Solo" had in Africa, the day JB Mpiana will die. They have to ask Congolese people who used to live in Ivory Coast, Benin, Cameroun, Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda at that time, how big the succes of it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUD5fVc0w0
Bill really start to piss me of these. Just because that DJ Arafat said that he was one of his rolemodels, he really become big headed, acting like Double Zenith, Bercy, Palais des Sports and those multiple concerts at Stade des Martyrs were of him while its on the name of Werrason and comparing himself to Diamond Platinumz while he had zero trophees on his name and never toured in Europe with his own band like Fally Ipupa and Ferre both already performed at Zenith.
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i think arafat praise got to his head
i just saw ndombolhino post that he thinks celeo came with more long term memorable animation than bill even if bill made a big impact with his stage presence and energy and overall contribution,what do you guys think about it
yeah and also some nsone fans insist that its werra who created it and prefer belittle jb by agreeing that he was a flop and only loi was a hit,while it was just a hit without clip so loi had advantage of showcasing steps
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Its true that Bill became big headed since arafat praised him but personnaly. I think Bill is a better atalaku than Caludji on almost all points (especially in voice and power of his voice) ... Its true that Tutu Caludji left a trace in the Congolese music with Ndombolo's animation but Bill is still better than him for me even if he did not have a successful animation like Ndombolo or Koyimbiko (of Celeo).
I always found that Tutu Caludji was a bit an overrated atalaku, would he have had great success if he had not used Ndombolo ? I dont think. A lot of atalaku are much more powerful and more interesting than Tutu Caludji. About Ndombolo ya Solo, everybody knows it was a huge hit in Africa, it's because today JB has no more consideration like in the past that everybody thinks it was not a big hit... but we have to admit that Koffi's loi was better than Ndombolo ya Solo because Ndombolo ya Solo was played in a very slow rhythm and powerless way compared to Loi. Loi was more catchy and had the advantage of having a video clip...
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He talked a lot of rubbish but we all can agree that Koffi made Ndombolo international and his version is the best. Back to Bill saying no one copied Kaludji ermm he forgets he was a copy of Kaludji whe he started. Celeo, Mboshi, Brigade, CNN, Eclipse and Kunzardo are just some of many who came in the game with Kaludji’s animation style...smh not only is Bill finish but he’s also a clown.
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Yes Loi Ndombolo was more successful and better, but say Jb’s Ndombolo was successful in DRC is so untrue. Bill was a callugist in the beginning, but let’s be honest not a lot of people remember bill’s cries compared to Celeo and that’s a fact.
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Am a fan of Wenge and Bill is somehow right on Tutu. Actually Tutu joined Wenge as a Tenorist before switching to animation. Atalakus normally command shows and Bill to me did this pretty well. Besides his prowess in dancing, he left a mark in animation that endeared him to fans of rival groups.
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Am a fan of Wenge and Bill is somehow right on Tutu. Actually Tutu joined Wenge as a Tenorist before switching to animation. Atalakus normally command shows and Bill to me did this pretty well. Besides his prowess in dancing, he left a mark in animation that endeared him to fans of rival groups.
My friend Bill’s cries was hot for a month than that’s it, but Celeo’ cries stayed and I remember them all. I have to listen to old MM songs in order to remember Bill’s catchy cries but not with Celeo.
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Am a fan of Wenge and Bill is somehow right on Tutu. Actually Tutu joined Wenge as a Tenorist before switching to animation. Atalakus normally command shows and Bill to me did this pretty well. Besides his prowess in dancing, he left a mark in animation that endeared him to fans of rival groups.
My friend Bill’s cries was hot for a month than that’s it, but Celeo’ cries stayed and I remember them all. I have to listen to old MM songs in order to remember Bill’s catchy cries but not with Celeo.
This is very true, Celeo’s cries I can remember from the top of my head easy
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I'm not a fan of the dissing and empty beefs but Bill says some truths. Koffi's ndombolo was way bigger. Not necessarily better. In my personal opinion, I never saw anything special in Kaludji as an atalaku. I never found him captivating enough, I never found him entertaining enough. he had the benefit of being backed up by a big band
Bill on the contrary was imposing, he was entertaining & his animations in Solola Bien, Kibuisa Mpimpa & a la que le leu are unforgettable. Even as a solo artist he went on to do some good animations. I'm not sure we can say the same about Kaludji
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one notable difference between tutu and bill is that bill is a born atalaku,caludji is not,caludji is a singer who had a career like an atalaku its like in football so many goalkeepers started as forwards but for the need of their career became goalkeeper
so in terms of determination its totally normal that bill has an edge,caludji started being tired of animation in 1999 already
if you compare tenor atalakus you'll also see that celeo is/was different to cnn,mboshi tutu who were singers who became atalakus
when its your natural thing its always different as if its a plan b
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Comparing apple and oranges
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I'm not a fan of the dissing and empty beefs but Bill says some truths. Koffi's ndombolo was way bigger. Not necessarily better. In my personal opinion, I never saw anything special in Kaludji as an atalaku. I never found him captivating enough, I never found him entertaining enough. he had the benefit of being backed up by a big band
Bill on the contrary was imposing, he was entertaining & his animations in Solola Bien, Kibuisa Mpimpa & a la que le leu are unforgettable. Even as a solo artist he went on to do some good animations. I'm not sure we can say the same about Kaludji
You got it. The name Wenge carried Tutu.
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Not in defense of Tutu...
I have noted that we always compare apples and oranges.
For one to make a comparison the characteristics being compared must be similar. You cannot compare for example a first voice with a second voice. An atalaku in one band can shine but when moved to another he dims.
What I have discovered in Congolese music and alot rides on other factors and not necessarily talented. I We know talented artists who are not famous or mediocre ones who are famous.
Another factor is era...Timing can make or break, even more so nowadays where social media is King trending songs gather "mosses". But does it equate to quality.
Artist hunger also plays a part, artist who want to break into the scene generally have more drive than those established.
I could go on and on....
Bill and Tutu are as different as day and night hence comparison is moot.
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Which other countries did Bill tour with his group apart from the usual Angola and Congo Brazzaville since he says he's international.
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Which other countries did Bill tour with his group apart from the usual Angola and Congo Brazzaville since he says he's international.
Did he even tour or did he just get invited naba nganda ntaba by his mamu and tatu
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It is more like class like.
Tutu probably comed from a good family not really needing music as a method to put food om the table.
Bill comes from a poor family where he couldn't finish school because he ahd to manage a way somehow to make momey to feed his family.
Who do you think will be more siccessful? Of course Bill.
Beside that I think that Bill success is due to the surprise factor and the complicated choreogtaphies he was bringing. Honestly I think Celeo made a bigger impact but was limited by Werra of course for limiting Caludji success since a lot of people were starting to take the Caludji school.
Tutu simply was in a system that had great success but wasn't costant and Tutu himself seemed not to really care about becoming big and famous as much as Bill.
For example Tutu whenever he makes interviews he always tryto say respectful and polite while Bill can even insult his brother or his kids because Bill has mo filter and really says what he has in mind.
Going back to the debate Caludji vs Tutu I can't really compare them becauee they are different. Bill is just using Caludji's name because he knows it will bring comtroversy and spark debate giving Bill tbe attention he needed and he thinks he can insult Caludji (thing he would have never done before Arafat Passing) because Africa now sees himas the role model of Arafat
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Which other countries did Bill tour with his group apart from the usual Angola and Congo Brazzaville since he says he's international.
Did he even tour or did he just get invited naba nganda ntaba by his mamu and tatu
Ah ye pe aza locale. :D :D
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In a nutshell Bill of Solola Bien, Kibuisa, Alaqueluele is far much better than Kaludji. Then coming to the Ndombolo animation, JB's Ndombola is by a mile better than Koffi's (in my Opinion). Actually the First time i heard the Crie Ndombolo was from Kaludji in JB's solo album. Kaludji killed it.....
I have talked about how good Celeo is on this platform but alot of people still dwelled on the fact that Bill was given more minutes and that Celeo was in the shadow of Bill, but they forget how good celeo was regardless of the few minutes he was allocated. Bill is very good and creative but to me Celeo is a great and natural Atalaku.
All in All the Chemistry between Celeo and Bill in Wmm was just amazing especially in live Concerts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyXc3c0_wrM
Just checkout 47:50 and 1:07 minutes. These guys were just amazing
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Not in defense of Tutu...
I have noted that we always compare apples and oranges.
For one to make a comparison the characteristics being compared must be similar. You cannot compare for example a first voice with a second voice. An atalaku in one band can shine but when moved to another he dims.
What I have discovered in Congolese music and alot rides on other factors and not necessarily talented. I We know talented artists who are not famous or mediocre ones who are famous.
Another factor is era...Timing can make or break, even more so nowadays where social media is King trending songs gather "mosses". But does it equate to quality.
Artist hunger also plays a part, artist who want to break into the scene generally have more drive than those established.
I could go on and on....
Bill and Tutu are as different as day and night hence comparison is moot.
It's a valid comparison IMO since they are both atalakus. A comparison between Jose Chilavert & David de Gea is valid because they are both goalkeepers even though they had totally different styles
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It's a valid comparison IMO since they are both atalakus. A comparison between Jose Chilavert & David de Gea is valid because they are both goalkeepers even though they had totally different styles
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Tutu is a singing atalaku while Bill is a "true" Atalaku
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Tutu is a singing atalaku while Bill is a "true" Atalaku
Those are now the details of comparison
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Tutu Caludji's animations was on point on Damien Aziwa's Hors La Loi album. His prime was from the mid 1990's-early 2000's.
It's fact that he started as a vocalist, but due to Roberta Wunda's high energy, he decided to do the singing-animation style. The style that is very popular in today's Congolese scene.
We also cannot forget that Tutu Caludji paved the way for guys like Mboshi Lipasa, CNN Alligator, Eclipse Musoso, Brigade and many more.
Bill is a MAJOR force. He can dance, create new cries, sing and compose. Bill has birthed guys such as Bercy, DJ Arafat (RIP), Gessac, Kerozene and much more.
However, there are also OG's in atalaku history that paved the way. Such as Nono Monzuluku of Zaiko Langa Langa and of course Djouna Mumbafu of Empire Bakuba, the King!