Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Matebu on February 29, 2020, 06:19
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Zenith, Olympia, Bercy - Joining just Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, and Koffi Olomide. Who’s next?
I can foresee perhaps Werrason doing a Olympia to join, then Ferre in a few years doing Olympia and Bercy
Now that the combatants took the L (as far as the Bercy happening) - « Music is back » - Fally voice
David Monsoh needs to work on a rain date for Heritier’s ill fated Olympia
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Zenith, Olympia, Bercy - Joining just Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, and Koffi Olomide. Who’s next?
I can foresee perhaps Werrason doing a Olympia to join, then Ferre in a few years doing Olympia and Bercy
Now that the combatants took the L (as far as the Bercy happening) - « Music is back » - Fally voice
David Monsoh needs to work on a rain date for Heritier’s ill fated Olympia
It's too soon to say music is back. We have to wait for a second concert to be played peacefully to say music is back.
If every concert by a congolese musician has to be followed by huge troubles like yesterday (cars burning, train stations shut down, etc), congolese musicians will be unable to play in Paris, Brussels, and London. Nobody is going to pay for all those cops being deployed everytime there is a concert.
It's all depend on the next concert. Let's see who's gonna take the risk.
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Zenith, Olympia, Bercy - Joining just Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, and Koffi Olomide. Who’s next?
I can foresee perhaps Werrason doing a Olympia to join, then Ferre in a few years doing Olympia and Bercy
Now that the combatants took the L (as far as the Bercy happening) - « Music is back » - Fally voice
David Monsoh needs to work on a rain date for Heritier’s ill fated Olympia
It's too soon to say music is back. We have to wait for a second concert to be played peacefully to say music is back.
If every concert by a congolese musician has to be followed by huge troubles like yesterday (cars burning, train stations shut down, etc), congolese musicians will be unable to play in Paris, Brussels, and London. Nobody is going to pay for all those cops being deployed everytime there is a concert.
It's all depend on the next concert. Let's see who's gonna take the risk.
How bad was the damage of Gate de Lyon? From the footage it looked like the entire station was engulfed, causing total loss. Attacks like that will cause regular Congolese to suffer more xenophobia
Next is Koffi’s U Arena, which I’m slightly skeptical is even official? With how senior he is, I’m not sure he’ll fight the battle head on like Fally’s team did with same help authorities
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Utter madness
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9IIR6SH_RD/?igshid=d46lr8hlvcg5
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Can you really blame France for "xenophobia" when they allow Congolese to live in their country via asylum and have dealt with these riots for a decade? And for what? Its not about the economy, it's not about education, but about a foriegn musician's political affiliation.
I believe that it's time for an ultimatum; either the African community can protest future concerts in peaceful boycotts or it's time to mass deport the diaspora back home.
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Zenith, Olympia, Bercy - Joining just Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, and Koffi Olomide. Who’s next?
I can foresee perhaps Werrason doing a Olympia to join, then Ferre in a few years doing Olympia and Bercy
Now that the combatants took the L (as far as the Bercy happening) - « Music is back » - Fally voice
David Monsoh needs to work on a rain date for Heritier’s ill fated Olympia
It's too soon to say music is back. We have to wait for a second concert to be played peacefully to say music is back.
If every concert by a congolese musician has to be followed by huge troubles like yesterday (cars burning, train stations shut down, etc), congolese musicians will be unable to play in Paris, Brussels, and London. Nobody is going to pay for all those cops being deployed everytime there is a concert.
It's all depend on the next concert. Let's see who's gonna take the risk.
How bad was the damage of Gate de Lyon? From the footage it looked like the entire station was engulfed, causing total loss. Attacks like that will cause regular Congolese to suffer more xenophobia
Next is Koffi’s U Arena, which I’m slightly skeptical is even official? With how senior he is, I’m not sure he’ll fight the battle head on like Fally’s team did with same help authorities
The station itself is fine but the fire was really close, so they had to shut down the entire station. The fire was very big, so it was dangerous to keep the station open. This is one of the biggest train station in Paris, near the ministry of finance. No one wants to see trouble like that over there.
Was Koffi serous about the U Arena? He should wait and adopt a different strategy than Fally. Koffi has the potential to fill the U Arena, especially if he's able to turn it into a celebration of his careers and QL. But if there is tension like yesterday, he won't be able to fill it or he won't even get the arena. Nobody wants to see combattants burning cars in the middle of La Defense, which is the Paris business center.
Koffi should avoid turning his performance into a challenge with the combattants and avoid his concert becoming the victory of a political camp. Those are the mistakes Fally or his entourage made.
Koffi is smooth enough to pull it off, but it won't be easy. Let's first see if he will get the arena.
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Did the concert take place or was it cancelled? Is this the same Bercy that Koffi, Werrason, Papa and JB played in?
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Did the concert take place or was it cancelled? Is this the same Bercy that Koffi, Werrason, Papa and JB played in?
It took place and it was sold out some of us watched it live by streaming
http://congovibes.com/congolese-music/fallys-bercy-is-happening-right-now/
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Isn't Zaiko playing today in Brussels? That would be another litmus test for how resolute the combatant's are in terms of carrying forward their fight especially after yesterday's obvious loss.
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Isn't Zaiko playing today in Brussels? That would be another litmus test for how resolute the combatant's are in terms of carrying forward their fight especially after yesterday's obvious loss.
People don't really care about that concert.
The next big test will be next big concert.
Combattants took somehow a loss, but at the same time they never had so much publicity and impact since the "combat" began. Never. They will do it again, especially if it's Fally.
Wait and see.
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Did the concert take place or was it cancelled? Is this the same Bercy that Koffi, Werrason, Papa and JB played in?
It's the same Bercy! It's been refurbished! There used to be 17,000 seats now 3000 more have been added.
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Isn't Zaiko playing today in Brussels? That would be another litmus test for how resolute the combatant's are in terms of carrying forward their fight especially after yesterday's obvious loss.
People don't really care about that concert.
The next big test will be next big concert.
Combattants took somehow a loss, but at the same time they never had so much publicity and impact since the "combat" began. Never. They will do it again, especially if it's Fally.
Wait and see.
You have a point. So most likely the real second test is Fally's UK concert. Let's see how it pans out given the difference in jurisdiction as well as homeland security handling.
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Isn't Zaiko playing today in Brussels? That would be another litmus test for how resolute the combatant's are in terms of carrying forward their fight especially after yesterday's obvious loss.
People don't really care about that concert.
The next big test will be next big concert.
Combattants took somehow a loss, but at the same time they never had so much publicity and impact since the "combat" began. Never. They will do it again, especially if it's Fally.
Wait and see.
You have a point. So most likely the real second test is Fally's UK concert. Let's see how it pans out given the difference in jurisdiction as well as homeland security handling.
I live in the U.K and the combattants are annoying over here.... the way everything’s been set up including brexit if the combattants try anything and pull a stunt like they did yesterday and get caught and arrested they’ll be sent back to Congo, like what happened with the Jamaicans a few weeks ago.
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With Fally having performed at Bercy will his band split ? Because always after that a Congolese artist performed at Bercy (except Wemba), the band is about to split.
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I don't think there will be a split per se, but if past experience from previous bands has taught us anything, there's always at least one member who chooses to stay behind in France or any other European country.
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Isn't Zaiko playing today in Brussels? That would be another litmus test for how resolute the combatant's are in terms of carrying forward their fight especially after yesterday's obvious loss.
People don't really care about that concert.
The next big test will be next big concert.
Combattants took somehow a loss, but at the same time they never had so much publicity and impact since the "combat" began. Never. They will do it again, especially if it's Fally.
Wait and see.
You have a point. So most likely the real second test is Fally's UK concert. Let's see how it pans out given the difference in jurisdiction as well as homeland security handling.
I'm going to be there to witness everything!
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They say on social media that Fally is preparing a double Bercy-event for November and a Parc des Princes for 2021.
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I don't get this obsession with playing in big arenas in Europe, especially in France.
I understand the prestige part and all that but c'mon. Fally is a congolese muscian but he never did a big concert in Congo. This is getting ridiculous.
At some point, you had an equilibrium between Congo and Europe, but now it seems like the heart of the genre has been transferred to Paris.
The genre will not survive like this.
Anyway.
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They say on social media that Fally is preparing a double Bercy-event for November and a Parc des Princes for 2021.
This guy thinks he’s Youssou N’Dour or what? The wounds of the attack on Friday are still fresh and we’re unsure what the aftermath with be on future concerts as a result
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I don't get this obsession with playing in big arenas in Europe, especially in France.
I understand the prestige part and all that but c'mon. Fally is a congolese muscian but he never did a big concert in Congo. This is getting ridiculous.
At some point, you had an equilibrium between Congo and Europe, but now it seems like the heart of the genre has been transferred to Paris.
The genre will not survive like this.
Anyway.
Fally like many of his fans think performing anywhere in Congo is taking away from his stardom. Hence this urge of wanting to be seen as one who conquers the world by performing in those huge concert halls. From the little snippets of the Friday concert I saw that majority songs performed where from tokoss album. That in itself tells you that Fally in his new obsession doesn't think rumba as a genre wud help him in his quest to become the undisputed star not of the DRC but of the world.
Let's see how this pans out.
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I don't get this obsession with playing in big arenas in Europe, especially in France.
I understand the prestige part and all that but c'mon. Fally is a congolese muscian but he never did a big concert in Congo. This is getting ridiculous.
At some point, you had an equilibrium between Congo and Europe, but now it seems like the heart of the genre has been transferred to Paris.
The genre will not survive like this.
Anyway.
Fally like many of his fans think performing anywhere in Congo is taking away from his stardom. Hence this urge of wanting to be seen as one who conquers the world by performing in those huge concert halls. From the little snippets of the Friday concert I saw that majority songs performed where from tokoss album. That in itself tells you that Fally in his new obsession doesn't think rumba as a genre wud help him in his quest to become the undisputed star not of the DRC but of the world.
Let's see how this pans out.
I see.
The world? Talking about delusional dreams.
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There aren't mythic halls like Cine Palladium and Salle de Congres in Congo anymore and major musichall of +5000/+10 capacity never existed only those of 2000/3000 max. Cine Palladium (which became Cinemax) is demolished, Salle de Congres of Palais du Peuple became the parliament. So now you have only Showbuzz, Village Chez Ntemba, Kin Plaza Rotana, Pullman (ex'grand hotel) left who aren't real musichalls. Pullman and Rotana are hotels and when there are concerts,there can only 500 people enter. From which 90% don't even pay the ticket.
Today its also difficult for an artist to get an authorization to perform at Stade des Martyrs. Btw today in Kinshasa, alot families have money problems, so its difficult even for classico-matches like AS Vita - CS Imana to fill the stadium, let alone the small Stade Tata Raphael (which they are renovating these, the capacity will be reduced to 40.000).
That's why Koffi used to say back in 2000 after Bercy in Kinshasa, when a journalist asked him why never likes to perform at Stade des Martyrs or l'Esplanade of Palais du Peuple with a big crowd, saying that he prefers to earn big money by playing at Bercy, Olympia and Zenith instead of getting peannuts for a concert at l'Esplanade or Stade des Martyrs.
If you perform in Kinshasa, you will get peanuts as bandleaders. Back in 2007 bands used performs just for 2000/1000 dollars (how will you share it with a band of 30 musicians) and there were saved by ponors like Bracongo and Bralima who were paying them every month and those artists giving open-air concerts for free and singles in return, but that doesn't exist anymore. Now artists based in Kinshasa performs rarely. Giving only 4 or 3 official concerts in Kinshasa, with the rest being public rehearhals who are mpiaka and concerts at weddings.
How will they enter in a bigger dimension with those conditions ? Nobody that like to buy their songs/albums and their albums getting sold for 50cent at markets by Chinese, Indians and Libanese people who are protected by politicians. Its better that they in mythic halls of London, Paris and New York, then rotting away in Kinshasa, sometimes performing in African countries and recording featerings with english-speaking artists to survive. Many artists will stop with Tokooos-music very soon, they are were doing to get contracts for African countries to survive.
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There aren't mythic halls like Cine Palladium and Salle de Congres in Congo anymore and major musichall of +5000/+10 capacity never existed only those of 2000/3000 max. Cine Palladium (which became Cinemax) is demolished, Salle de Congres of Palais du Peuple became the parliament. So now you have only Showbuzz, Village Chez Ntemba, Kin Plaza Rotana, Pullman (ex'grand hotel) left who aren't real musichalls. Pullman and Rotana are hotels and when there are concerts,there can only 500 people enter. From which 90% don't even pay the ticket.
Today its also difficult for an artist to get an authorization to perform at Stade des Martyrs. Btw today in Kinshasa, alot families have money problems, so its difficult even for classico-matches like AS Vita - CS Imana to fill the stadium, let alone the small Stade Tata Raphael (which they are renovating these, the capacity will be reduced to 40.000).
That's why Koffi used to say back in 2000 after Bercy in Kinshasa, when a journalist asked him why never likes to perform at Stade des Martyrs or l'Esplanade of Palais du Peuple with a big crowd, saying that he prefers to earn big money by playing at Bercy, Olympia and Zenith instead of getting peannuts for a concert at l'Esplanade or Stade des Martyrs.
If you perform in Kinshasa, you will get peanuts as bandleaders. Back in 2007 bands used performs just for 2000/1000 dollars (how will you share it with a band of 30 musicians) and there were saved by ponors like Bracongo and Bralima who were paying them every month and those artists giving open-air concerts for free and singles in return, but that doesn't exist anymore. Now artists based in Kinshasa performs rarely. Giving only 4 or 3 official concerts in Kinshasa, with the rest being public rehearhals who are mpiaka and concerts at weddings.
How will they enter in a bigger dimension with those conditions ? Nobody that like to buy their songs/albums and their albums getting sold for 50cent at markets by Chinese, Indians and Libanese people who are protected by politicians. Its better that they in mythic halls of London, Paris and New York, then rotting away in Kinshasa, sometimes performing in African countries and recording featerings with english-speaking artists to survive. Many artists will stop with Tokooos-music very soon, they are were doing to get contracts for African countries to survive.
You have spoken facts, you make way more money abroad and that’s facts
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I just heard that many singers aren’t happy for not having received any vocal (singers also do mabanga throught vocals), just doing the chorus the whole concert and want to stay in Europe. Also that many mabanga-customers are furious, because they paid Fally’s musicians to do mabanga.
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I just heard that many singers aren’t happy for not having received any vocal (singers also do mabanga throught vocals), just doing the chorus the whole concert and want to stay in Europe. Also that many mabanga-customers are furious, because they paid Fally’s musicians to do mabanga.
Lol ..cobgolese.. Sometimes i wonder if we have oatmeal in our brains..lol stay in Europe because of lack of mabanga..kie kie kie.. They need to chill a bit .. Im not a fan of fally but they need to understand that el maricon was under pressure and. Maybe things will be different in london..kiekie
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If I was I was Fally singer I will stay in Europe. Fally is turning into a RnB/"urban" pop singer, he won't need them anymore very soon.
Staying in the group is a big gamble if you want to have a career or a future.
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Congrats to Fally Ipupa for doing the French Grand Slam! Living Legend!
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I just heard that many singers aren’t happy for not having received any vocal (singers also do mabanga throught vocals), just doing the chorus the whole concert and want to stay in Europe. Also that many mabanga-customers are furious, because they paid Fally’s musicians to do mabanga.
If that's the case Fally's singers should've been left because they barely get any vocals, only do chrouses and dance in music videos. That's one of the reasons the combattants thing started, because of names not being mentioned, hopefully that'll be sorted and how much time did the customers thing the singers will sing because like previously said Fally doesn't have much songs where his singers sing with him although it changed in Control.