Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Manzambi94 on April 06, 2020, 12:17
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https://youtu.be/q3PZMYbOqpw
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that album if it was recorded in europe or in ndiaye who offered us that new hardcore sound on alerte the same year could have been a proper classic(in the sense that it convinces fans of all groups )the sound is a let down on several songs
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I think that he could have conquered the world if he released Chemin de Fer (they appranently already finished a part at that time) in 2005 instead of working on Kipe Ya Yo.
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that album if it was recorded in europe or in ndiaye who offered us that new hardcore sound on alerte the same year could have been a proper classic(in the sense that it convinces fans of all groups )the sound is a let down on several songs
That album was very solid with the rarity of Cellulaire opening the main Generique Anti-Terro
https://youtu.be/eBt5eVQlsYQ
And great songs like J'Suis La
https://youtu.be/U5uN7J1S2eg
Plainte A
https://youtu.be/Lqf561IOvmM
BK Le Senatuer
https://youtu.be/AT_rGRQb_OQ
Lekasopo
https://youtu.be/QCxgz96AsbM
And Le Baron one of my favourite songs from the album
https://youtu.be/WQ0_3hKnjRU
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I think that he could have conquered the world if he released Chemin de Fer (they appranently already finished a part at that time) in 2005 instead of working on Kipe Ya Yo.
Why he never released chemin de fer? I mean what he was waiting for?
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Guys like Pathy Moleso said to him that it wasn’t the moment to release the album (they were a little down at that time) and that it was better to re-record the album in good conditions in Europe, wanting to release a maxi single before the album to be n1 before releasing Chemin de Fer. Announcing first Balle de Match (which was then a maxi-single of 3 songs) through Kisindjora and later on changing it to a group album, giving the guys who hadn’t songs on Anti Terro the opportunity to put it on Kipe Ya Yo. But the album would have been postponed to 2006, ending up by releasing it in 2007.
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if their is a ranking of artists who are obsessed with their conditions it would be number 1 jb number 2 jb number 3 jb then the rest who mostly are only tough to deal with about their money
jb never released chemin de fer despite working on it several times because he considers that his real chemin de fer he wants to released can only be done from first to last second in europe
the poor kibens spends days at studio table with guylain tamba for lots and lots of unreleased songs or which he removes to throw into group albums
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
yeah he is obsessed with what he sees as "perfect conditions" which were to record it fully in europe in some studios who are closed now by the way, you can even see the perfect proof with his recent teaser,none of the artists from koffi to bebe boudchou would have done that,releasing teasers with still nothing 4 months after still waiting for the perfect moment
even with trips abroad,3 years since plans of USA canada but still not the "perfect conditions"
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
yeah he is obsessed with what he sees as "perfect conditions" which were to record it fully in europe in some studios who are closed now by the way, you can even see the perfect proof with his recent teaser,none of the artists from koffi to bebe boudchou would have done that,releasing teasers with still nothing 4 months after still waiting for the perfect moment
even with trips abroad,3 years since plans of USA canada but still not the "perfect conditions"
Why doesn't he listen to his fans, and just release the album? My God it makes me mad for real
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@Manzambi94
In many ways, JB Mpiana reminds me of Dr. Dre and how their mythical album that never comes out to the annoyance of their peers and fans lol
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I believe it was JB's perfectionism and obsession with sound quality of his solo albums that let him down in the long run. He missed a golden opportunity by shelving Chemin de Fer.
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because he is also surrounded with people afraid to confront him,some of the donors have songs or their songs at home already so they are cool but its fans who are worried and pissed
mr simon is back with him but i doubt he has the same power on him as in the past where he was really under simon's direction
the three guys who could say something to him (alain mpela,caludji and titina) are not there(although tutu comes his authority is nowhere near what he once had)
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I think that 2008 was the year where he was the closest to release Chemin de Fer.
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because he is also surrounded with people afraid to confront him,some of the donors have songs or their songs at home already so they are cool but its fans who are worried and pissed
mr simon is back with him but i doubt he has the same power on him as in the past where he was really under simon's direction
the three guys who could say something to him (alain mpela,caludji and titina) are not there(although tutu comes his authority is nowhere near what he once had)
Not even Genta? I though Genta was a guy who could tell him somethimg
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@Manzambi94
In many ways, JB Mpiana reminds me of Dr. Dre and how their mythical album that never comes out to the annoyance of their peers and fans lol
BTW, is Dre still working on Detox? We've been waiting since forever lol.
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@Mfumu Vata
Was Paty Molesso referring to their inability to get Visas during the ngulu affaire as them being "down"?
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@Manzambi94
In many ways, JB Mpiana reminds me of Dr. Dre and how their mythical album that never comes out to the annoyance of their peers and fans lol
BTW, is Dre still working on Detox? We've been waiting since forever lol.
No it was cancelled in 2011
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because he is also surrounded with people afraid to confront him,some of the donors have songs or their songs at home already so they are cool but its fans who are worried and pissed
mr simon is back with him but i doubt he has the same power on him as in the past where he was really under simon's direction
the three guys who could say something to him (alain mpela,caludji and titina) are not there(although tutu comes his authority is nowhere near what he once had)
Not even Genta? I though Genta was a guy who could tell him somethimg
he can but he has his limits in authority,maybe he had the chef d'orchestre role it would be different and as you know in clan wenge when a musician says something to the leader which is for the good of the group and the musicians there is always another who openly confronts him to show he is loyal
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@Mfumu Vata
Was Paty Molesso referring to their inability to get Visas during the ngulu affaire as them being "down"?
With down I mean that they weren’t on the top anymore. Because they though that they would return on the level they 2000. But Anti Terro didn’t really get the succes that they excepted. It was a succes, not like the previous albums. People being also more into JB’s songs, the one of Bikou & Bogus then the rest of the album. Some others missing Alain Mpela and other complaining about the quality of some songs and that real power was missing.
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
yeah he is obsessed with what he sees as "perfect conditions" which were to record it fully in europe in some studios who are closed now by the way, you can even see the perfect proof with his recent teaser,none of the artists from koffi to bebe boudchou would have done that,releasing teasers with still nothing 4 months after still waiting for the perfect moment
even with trips abroad,3 years since plans of USA canada but still not the "perfect conditions"
All these excuses man, I feel for BCBG fans.
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@Manzambi94
Dre's last chance to release Detox was during the whole nostalgia craze brought by Straight Outta Compton movie, but he decided to release that compilation album instead.
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
yeah he is obsessed with what he sees as "perfect conditions" which were to record it fully in europe in some studios who are closed now by the way, you can even see the perfect proof with his recent teaser,none of the artists from koffi to bebe boudchou would have done that,releasing teasers with still nothing 4 months after still waiting for the perfect moment
even with trips abroad,3 years since plans of USA canada but still not the "perfect conditions"
All these excuses man, I feel for BCBG fans.
Unfortunately no journalist has been able to get the honest truth out of him,its always either they avoid the most tricky questions or they push him into a situation where he has to defend himself through bad faith which leads to some of his fans,some fans of clan wenge in general and obviously fans of rivals ripping into him
the perfect scenario for me would be an instagram or facebook live where he'd discuss peacefully with his fans and open up clearly,the status quo has been very very detrimental for his image,the amount of guys i saw ten years ago in youtube comments who were hardcore bcbg fans who are now with fally koffi werra and co is impressive
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@archos
Do you think he's worried that the album won't live up to expectations after the years of waiting? It could be the reason why he's been dragging his feet, because nothing worst then having fans wait for mediocrity.
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I see why some people stopped supporting him, this guy is full of fake promises, Chemin de fer Was meant to be released 15 years ago? Wow
You didn't know that? It was even originally meant to be released in 2002/03 when Alain Mpela was still around.
yeah he is obsessed with what he sees as "perfect conditions" which were to record it fully in europe in some studios who are closed now by the way, you can even see the perfect proof with his recent teaser,none of the artists from koffi to bebe boudchou would have done that,releasing teasers with still nothing 4 months after still waiting for the perfect moment
even with trips abroad,3 years since plans of USA canada but still not the "perfect conditions"
All these excuses man, I feel for BCBG fans.
the amount of guys i saw ten years ago in youtube comments who were hardcore bcbg fans who are now with fally koffi werra and co is impressive
EMO being one of them
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@CM PRINCE
If you get too comfortable, your spot is up for grabs. This music thing is competitive. JB Mpiana should know this better than anyone else
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@CM PRINCE
If you get too comfortable, your spot is up for grabs. This music thing is competitive. JB Mpiana should know this better than anyone else
jb took himself out of the competition(while still being seen as into the race strangely enough and luckily enough) from the moment of the protests of fans against older artists,nothing has ever been the same since,its like there is a disconnection between him and the fans since him stopping public rehearsals,and the fact his concerts in kin have not really changed much in terms of reasonable crowd( i say reasonable because for everybody the era of super crazy crowds is over for now due to the crisis) is a smokescreen for him to assess his career properly,you can pull any criticism you want at jb himself,roger,seguin,mosaka they'll tell you but we have 80 concerts or more in kin in the year,nobody performs more than us
he was about to remain competitive with the rise of the generation of fudji djino abraham but took two step forwards for ten backwards and here we are
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@CM PRINCE
If you get too comfortable, your spot is up for grabs. This music thing is competitive. JB Mpiana should know this better than anyone else
And yet he's lost his hunger already. As a musician who matures, there are two ways you can lose your hunger.
There's resting on your laurels once you've hit your prime, resulting in you making music of variable quality, and then there are all the wasted opportunities that could've really helped you in your career. JB falls in the latter category. Compared to his grand frere from the 4x4 days and Koffi, he's hardly taking his music moves seriously.
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JB Mpiana had an opportunity to become the leading musician in Congo after the split, he was the image and the leading voice of the band, had a successfully album and inherited the majority of the musicians including the name BCBG, while Werra was figuring out his next move, JB had a contract to perform in Europe. But as Mpela said recently that Werrason was the chief strategist of the band and he even credited the idea of Pentagon to him, Mpaina is a musician who need someone to push him to the levels that he is capable off. He needed a great Manager to manage his career and guide him just like in US where musicians have managers who are chief strategists.
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ego also is a reason of not admitting or not realising having lost hunger,no artist has ever done that in DRC is a taboo like songs authors,while in reaiity having 40 years of career like many do is hard to achieve without periods of lack of self confidence,questioning everything and so on,its something totally normal and its the reason why in western music some even struggle to reach 10 years of career but in DRC they are too ashamed to admit it and take a break to come back stronger
maybe also because they fear that congolese public being a difficult one once you are gone for a break you are done in the game forever so those who still have some attention on them either do the right things or try to maintain a certain impression or in the case of jb almost "rely" on their aura to still be present in people's debates
spot on kizito jb needs pressure or management
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Werrason is someone who depend on good musicians to blossom, JB Mpiana only needs a chorus or a back up, so, the problem is not the Kibense and co, the problem is him. Ant-Terri was a poor album because of recording, not because of the songs, that is why I believe a manager who would tell JB that, don't accept that quality, I am sure Makaba would have been the perfect foil of JB, My heart broke the day Makaba left.
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My contribution to this debate....
Look at the type of musicians who are recruited in BCBG. A lot of them also behave like JB, they usually are not setting up themselves force solo career. They are contented as it is, I don't know if they are well paid. Even those who try going solo do so half heartedly. Most of those who left disappear into oblivion or pursue other interests
As Archos has also pointed out the sponsors are also contented.
Further the recent music environment has not helped especially the lack of concerts abroad
Essentially whether BCBG churn out albums, perform concerts,form splinter groups or not nobody is pushing hard. I noticed most of the the core BCBG fans have remained despite lack of action from the camp.
And that is why I said earlier "the album will be out when then the album will be out"
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What other business interests does JB Mpiana have?
Because I think that he is content with where he is financially interns of his other income generation activities that doing music is no longer a priority.