Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Manzambi94 on April 16, 2020, 17:38
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https://youtu.be/9T7dl9XWjaw
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Except Chai and Caludji all ex members of BCBG speak really.nasty about JB. But why?
He says he was tested along with Chai and Lola Muana but a bodyguard told him he couldn't go to the test because he wasn't in the list despite BCBG calling his name, he says that when you are from Europe you are privileged (for example if there is one chair and there is a musician sit and you come from Europe, you will get beaten if you don't stand up to give the place, for example Kibens got slapped by a bodyguard because he broke a rule JB put) and leaders force/favours people who gives praise the leader for example between 2 Atalakus the guy who will be favoured would be the one who have the most namedropping leader crie.
He said Bercy by the Pipyu was great in terms of music but poor in terms of execution and organization
Kilimanjaro was taken to contrast Bill and to copy his style too a Tshabwala and that is a huge advantage in Wenge BCBG (being a Muluba)
His regret is that JB didn't understand the vision of the youngest. For example he says that Wenge artists both BCBG and Maison Mere are actually.friends and used to go to secret places to avoid being seen by other people and he is regreting that Wenge offshots got.the chance to shine while the Wenge smaller members despite having more talent than the regular one (Chai, Rio, Kibems) they were always told to wait vision of the youngins and of JB was different, they have suffered and no Pipyu of Wenge wants to go back with BCBG, even though they give him a car or an house because BCBG really twisted his vision, and they didn't got paid neither for the Bercy concert and let alone in Kin because the day he asked for momey (for his mom that was sick) he got Kibens telling to him that a man doesn't bag and that Wenge musicians do not have to work for money so their only.way to get paid is matolos, and if you have multiple ladies.and kids it.will be even worse, even 20, 50, or 100 dollars a month would be good (for having a great life in Kimshasa you could live with 200 dollars and you could have the life of what people.in America have with 20 k a month) and people were gifting money because he is a polite man and know how to talk to people.
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Except Chai and Caludji all ex members of BCBG speak really.nasty about JB. But why?
He says he was tested along with Chai and Lola Muana but a bodyguard told him he couldn't go to the test because he wasn't in the list despite BCBG calling his name, he says that when you are from Europe you are privileged (for example if there is one chair and there is a musician sit and you come from Europe, you will get beaten if you don't stand up to give the place, for example Kibens got slapped by a bodyguard because he broke a rule JB put) and leaders force/favours people who gives praise the leader for example between 2 Atalakus the guy who will be favoured would be the one who have the most namedropping leader crie
Am surprised from the comments it seems that he has really gone hard on JB. But his fellow Pipiyu Djo Lockis was all praises of Mukulu when he was interviewed by Noly Tambu.
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Except Chai and Caludji all ex members of BCBG speak really.nasty about JB. But why?
He says he was tested along with Chai and Lola Muana but a bodyguard told him he couldn't go to the test because he wasn't in the list despite BCBG calling his name, he says that when you are from Europe you are privileged (for example if there is one chair and there is a musician sit and you come from Europe, you will get beaten if you don't stand up to give the place, for example Kibens got slapped by a bodyguard because he broke a rule JB put) and leaders force/favours people who gives praise the leader for example between 2 Atalakus the guy who will be favoured would be the one who have the most namedropping leader crie
Am surprised from the comments it seems that he has really gone hard on JB. But his fellow Pipiyu Djo Lockis was all praises of Mukulu when he was interviewed by Noly Tambu.
Yes he went super hard I am not gone to the QL part yet, but he openly said that Heritier did well to leave BCBG and go to Werra since Werra knows how to recognize talent, he basically dissed Kibens (when you report an embarrassing thing over your elderly pubblicly in Congolese community is hella.disrespectful) reporting the slap and said that Bercy bt the Pipyu was great in terms of musical quality (I agree music quality is what BCBG is strong with) but really mpiaka in terms of execution since JB was pressed and didn't organize himself and to be honest you can see from Dolain eyes that he really felt.some type of way about JB
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you have to admit,they had to deal with the worst jb too in their times,in those jb was super hot tempered,very easy to piss
it was also the years of wild success,he seems to have humbled a lot
if you add to that a bad mix of friendship and spiritual things from some of the cour des grands towards jb
this interview if it was maison mere or latino massiveeeee meltdown in coming days
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He openly dissed Kibems and JDL saying thet are bad singers and Ndunda (plants) who have no talent but somehow are still there. They didn't go to Canada but I didn't understand the reason why, he said that in Europe JB was getting fed up when people were asking for the Pipyu instead of him and that he was mad since JB was asking the pipyu to perform and they were making excuses for the way they were being treated, I didn't understand well the story of the ladies but he says that Basi Ya Miziki (Music's women) messed up with multiple members sleeping with one another and somehow this got reported to JB and the higher hierarchy who let them stay behind in Europe and not bringing them to Canada to punish them but JB got his visa denied, he says that BCBG only lets good people go and let wack singers stay and that media forced this narratie that they were ungrateful and left a good man but that was false because not even a single Pipyu wanted to leave but they got simple 12d
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a lot of things happened in bcbg in the days just before and after bercy,naturally and spiritually, the concept of PPU became unhandable from the moment that after heritier many many guys came and almost none of them was a passenger, so the old guard went spiritual to keep jb's faith,bcbg is not the first group to have gone through such things some groups experienced that but in reverse
you'll see the leader all of a sudden become very nervous rude mean....so since the old guard knew they would not stand the battle they went the hard way i know some will say but how can they affect somebody who is surely much more advanced than them,it happens,there is one of them concerts where several groups performed, dancer trezeguet did something towards werra's face werra remained immobile for one minute like he does not see whats around
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lol bring me back to the Congo2000 forum, where a guy claimed that Kibens, JDL, Bogus and Chai went to a sorcerer, in order to let JB have blind love for them and thinking that he are the best singers. During the days that JB was about to fire them all 2007/08, until that he changed his opinion on last minute and started to claim that all fans who were saying that Kibens and co were to old, were not BCBG-fans but fans of other bands (WMMM) to destabilize Wenge BCBG. Saying that they were waiting to fire them, in order to put him the label of being a bad person.
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and jb ended up really reacting like that,the amount of times he reminded fans that djino abraham and co were good but not at the level of kibens and co yet says it all,few years ago,while chai was already gone,a new singer michigan doing tenor aswell crowd started singing "aleki chai ehhh" jb stopped them and said dont say bullshit he sings good but chai is another level
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I hate to say this but JB is a horrible leader, what kind of normal person prefers Kibens, JDL, Rio, Chai, Bogus over Sakoko, Chikito, Dolain, Djino, Abraham, Eric Menthe, Zulema? Koffi and Werra would never allow this.
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one thing dolain said says it all,when you come to see jb at hotel they are already there,if you remember all my threads about jb i always said that older guard maybe they knew their weakness so they made sure to control jb and make it seem to him that they are the most loyal on earth to him since jb loves loyal people on and off music
i think the guys knew that if they let younger guys be close to jb he"ll prefer them, which is why djino to some extent but especially abraham had it hard when jb started to fund album to let him go to europe which nobody even jdl did not do and so on
all in all 80 per cent of jb's post wenge career is mysterious,you'd ask yourself why all since 2003 has been like that and how he still resists from all that,because plenty of people had completely disappeared for way less
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lol i was watching at the same time an interview about samuel eto'o mannnn thats way too much nko in my ears for two hours( except that his is supreme level i have never heard as dirty for any congolese musician)
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I will never understand jb's career after Wenge 4X4, bad choices about bad choices that led him to his fall little by little when he had quite the possibility of being one of the best leaders from year to year until today.
If today people are waiting for Balle de Match its not only to review/criticize the album but its because JB made people wait too long and its because, like a lot of Congolese artists, he does not have a good management. How an artist like him who had a big fanbase (I dont know if he has anymore a lot of fans due to his lacking of song/albums in the market for a while...) can take almost 10 years to release an album... Its a big shame. Personnaly JB as an human he seems to be a very good person but as an artist he very very badly manages his career and until the time of Soyons sérieux I was a minimum interested by his music but I completely stopped being interested in it because I dont like this type of management, I cannot be interesed by an artist who acts like that...
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You couldn't pay me to join a congolese group, too much of bs, jealousy
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who can advise me something funny to watch lol after 4h of that interview plus the eto'o stories it almost ruined my night :D :D :D
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With all the respect for what Kibens has done, I still don't understand why he's still in BCBG. for me it went downhill when Alain left, in my opinion.
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Had JB kept the Pipiyu around, they would've troubled Maison Mere's 2004-06 lineup. The way JB took them for granted and favoured the old guard/his asskissers just hurts in hindsight. If some of the PPU Youngers were promoted to the first team, BCBG as a whole would've progressed.
Come to think of it, if the likes of Kibens, Rio, JDL and Seguin ended up in another band, they would've been 12'd out by their bosses after 5 years.
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who can advise me something funny to watch lol after 4h of that interview plus the eto'o stories it almost ruined my night :D :D :D
Not advising you what to watch but just to say i would love to listen to the Eto'o stories coz he doesnt mince his words but po na ngai francais esalaka mwa pasi moko boye. I wish there was english subtitles. lol
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
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That part were he says "Kumisa ebele po owumela na mouvement" reminds me of how African politicians like to praise their leaders especially the sitting president for personal benefits not like they really believe in the leader. Hero worshiping leaders at whatever level in society is deeply entrenched in our cultures that we give people so much power over us without realizing it. Sad reality.
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yes it has been in african cultures for centuries,from the villages to the presidence of countries,
jb and koffi even on their days have their musicians improvising worship songs at rehearsal for them from the minute the guard opens their car the message is already transmitted to atalkus to start singing :D :D :D
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
Eish, thats a lot dark things to deal with for success. But i am not surprised, there is no telling to what extent people are willing to go for sucess. I remember in 2010 or somewhere there about, the former Ghanaian coach, a Serbian national was lamenting how his players believed more in fetishes and black magic than they believed in their own talent and skills.
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
can you send the link
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
can you send the link
https://youtu.be/g8QZQUXQDJk
From 49th minute
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
https://youtu.be/LtBhrnkHx_I
Here Bernard Tchoutang a striker who won the AFRICAN CUP OF NATIONS IN THE 2000 explain how Samuel Eto'O used to love being the last.to come and (kinda say it indirectly) went to a sorcieur (Witchcraft) to win the African cup basically Samuel Eto'O were searching people to give hands to and since the African based players knew tht that might be a trick they didn't give him the hand but Job since he was grown in Europe and he was basically a white guy and used to mock teammates who advice him about witchcraft didn't catch it and gave Eto'O the hand.
The strange fact was that Eto'O ignored all the people in the table who were having a breakfast but got straight to Job to shook his hand, and when the bus was about to start they find out Job was still in his bed.
Job was the starting striker in that African cup right in front of Eto'O (who would have been a reserved if Job was healthy) but Job since that handshake got sick and had a strong case of dysentery who basically forced him out of the whole competition and made him loose 5 kg (The face of Petit is too much and his phrase too: "Have you witchcraft me?" lol)
Patrick Mboma who also were a European asked Samuel if he had done something to Job and Eto'O told him to f off
Then Eto'O the next day tried to shake the end with Bernard Tchouang and Bernard told him "Are you sick or what? Go shake the hand of everybody and then returm to me"
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
Can you please link a video with all these informations? Sleeping with your own mom? That is disgusting
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One thing I hate about African people is that most of the times they don't hesitate to attack, kill, steal, rob and spiritually attack other Africans
Ceda Capo with his brother (no need to mention who he was) Samuel Eto'O with Job BCBG old guards (JDL, Rio, Kibens) with Pipyu youngins, and so on. For example You will never hear Samuel Eto'O doing this onto Edem Hazard, Ronaldinho or Messi but with Job of course yes
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
Can you please link a video with all these informations? Sleeping with your own mom? That is disgusting
the link is before your comments bro
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
can you send the link
https://youtu.be/g8QZQUXQDJk
From 49th minute
I'm shoked to hear all these stories. So Eto'o is broke right now ? Every year someone in Cameroun appear to talk about the scandals of Eto'o. I used to be a big fan of Eto'o, but I wasn't liking him anymore in his last years, because of the way he was very arrogant in his interview (I don't really like arrogant people).
I won't be surprised if he would hear the same stories about Drogba.
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it was not him talking but rather a cameroonian journalist he had already used his power to jail in the past who exposed things like him being caught several times sleeping his own mother at training camp hotel before important, matches,sleeping a good majority of his colleagues wives,the daughter of gabon president and so on,a very very dark thing and with a lot of names called into as witness,and not seeming at all like somebody just looking for buzz he's been on it for years and even was about to publish a book which got censored
can you send the link
https://youtu.be/g8QZQUXQDJk
From 49th minute
I'm shoked to hear all these stories. So Eto'o is broke right now ? Every year someone in Cameroun appear to talk about the scandals of Eto'o. I used to be a big fan of Eto'o, but I wasn't liking him anymore in his last years, because of the way he was very arrogant in his interview (I don't really like arrogant people).
I won't be surprised if he would hear the same stories about Drogba.
Naaah Drogba is good. Don't get me wrong he slept with a lot of people's wife but that when you're famous is regular but Eto'O is on another level, and to be honest football is filled with these stories. For example the real reason why Ronaldo went to Real Madrid and Seedorf went to Milan from Inter was because Seedorf abandaka kobemda mayi of Ronaldo's wife, Ronaldo wss getting to much focused on his career and once Seedorf took Ronaldo'a wife to home and banged her. Ronaldo was so shocked by the fact that his wife was fucking with one of his good friends that asked Moratti to go away. Vieri was also shocked because he wanted Ronaldo to stay l but until Ronaldo's wife confirmed it in an interview no one except Seedorf Ronald and Ronaldo's wife knew what happened
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/wanna-konw-why-ronaldo-is-leaving-inter-come-in-come-in.548/
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not broke broke but he lost millions to an agent he gave a good part of his rights to like a kid when he was in those days before barca,and also got seized a couple of houses in europe and had to pay a big big tax which he never paid in spain,so he is not as strong as he used to be
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Wait, so Dolin means with vieux Mando, Djolina Mandudila who used to play rhythm for Wenge 4x4 in Mulolo and who went with Wenge Aile Paris to Europe in 1992 ?
Because he said that Mando played rhythm for Maison Mere, but that it didn't work and 2 years ago I saw Maison Mere's second concert at Studio Maman Ngebi with him playing rhythm and a rare video of a Wenge BCBG's concert in Kinshasa after Titanic with him playing rhythm. So if I understand well, he recruited the second bunch of PPU in Kinshasa when Wenge BCBG went to Zenith ? and but when didn't he stay in BCBG and didn't get a proper chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf6xOCa9CoQ
playing rhythm during Kaskin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBOl8TgqZCs
playing rhythm behind Maguy from 4:58 min
btw in the same video I saw that girl who danced for Madilu, but missed the Zenith-trip by joining Big Star after getting influenced by Montana, but also missing Big Stars trip to the USA. I used to see her in another rare BCBG-VHS back in the years and kept wondering who she was, until she made a video on youtube to talk against Madilu (but I can't find the video anymore, they surely deleted it).
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Btw who's ma'pitshou? Because Dolin said in the start of the interview that Heritier disrespected him before joining Maison Mere.
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djolina tried to return to play with wenge and since he came when bcbg were on their way to zenith jb made him stay with heritier dolin zakoko armand and co,but the way alba impressed at zenith made it complicated for him he had lost a lot of prestige by staying away from wenge too long,especially with zygal who was already there
yes he was there with late maitre baja to cope with tests
ma pitshou is the dancer ma pitshou dembo one of the dancers who missed out at zenith but then became one of the dancers of the group one of the most loyal(and even is old enough now to have a daughter who got married)
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I don't know her. I've never seen her dancing and she wasn't promoted like those who danced in Anti Terro.
Was she the one who danced with those purple dreads in the kinshasa-version of the TH-videoclip and who missed out on the LSC-trip, where Nono diamants went with her passeport ?
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I’m shocked to hear from Dolinthat Vita-Imana was already sung in Wenge Kumbela by Serge Muloso. But how did the song came in Maison Mere ?
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I’m shocked to hear from Dolinthat Vita-Imana was already sung in Wenge Kumbela by Serge Muloso. But how did the song came in Maison Mere ?
serge muloso joined kumbela when they were preparing an album never released and ferre who liked their work asked for that,then other singers followed since they wanted to impress werra,solola bien and kibuisa is full of vocaux of kumbela and two street groups were the guys came from
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yes it has been in african cultures for centuries,from the villages to the presidence of countries,
jb and koffi even on their days have their musicians improvising worship songs at rehearsal for them from the minute the guard opens their car the message is already transmitted to atalkus to start singing :D :D :D
“Eza ye, Eza ye, tolanda le guide. Muana maman Amy, alanga nzembo, papa Elvis et Rocky, Diego.....”
Did I really talked about the story of Koffi’s Hummer and Ferre ?
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Not yet ndeko lol it seems a funny one
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I’m shocked to hear from Dolinthat Vita-Imana was already sung in Wenge Kumbela by Serge Muloso. But how did the song came in Maison Mere ?
serge muloso joined kumbela when they were preparing an album never released and ferre who liked their work asked for that,then other singers followed since they wanted to impress werra,solola bien and kibuisa is full of vocaux of kumbela and two street groups were the guys came from
But what made Serge reappear like 6 years later angry in the media to claim that Vita Imana and attacking Ferre for years ? Was it just to make his name known in order to create buzz for his album or did something happen behind the scenes ?
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In Quartier Latin you had the rule that all musicians had to stand up if Koffi comes with his car in Montfleury when they are rehearsing there). But one day Koffi gave his Hunmer to Ferre and all musicians were already present in his house. So when Ferre arrived with his Hummer, Fally, Gibson, Soleil and co already stand up (thinking that it was Koffi), but instead of Koffi it was Ferre, who came out the car and they all had something like “aaah vieux a diminuer biso” Hahahahaha
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I’m shocked to hear from Dolinthat Vita-Imana was already sung in Wenge Kumbela by Serge Muloso. But how did the song came in Maison Mere ?
serge muloso joined kumbela when they were preparing an album never released and ferre who liked their work asked for that,then other singers followed since they wanted to impress werra,solola bien and kibuisa is full of vocaux of kumbela and two street groups were the guys came from
its because ferre did not give him what he promised or more exactly he saw that it had much more buzz that he could imagine and was upset to have received peanuts,it happens with many songwriters
But what made Serge reappear like 6 years later angry in the media to claim that Vita Imana and attacking Ferre for years ? Was it just to make his name known in order to create buzz for his album or did something happen behind the scenes ?
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In Quartier Latin you had the rule that all musicians had to stand up if Koffi comes with his car in Montfleury when they are rehearsing there). But one day Koffi gave his Hunmer to Ferre and all musicians were already present in his house. So when Ferre arrived with his Hummer, Fally, Gibson, Soleil and co already stand up (thinking that it was Koffi), but instead of Koffi it was Ferre, who came out the car and they all had something like “aaah vieux a diminuer biso” Hahahahaha
like boketshu would say "quelle humiliasooonnn" :D :D :D
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In Quartier Latin you had the rule that all musicians had to stand up if Koffi comes with his car in Montfleury when they are rehearsing there). But one day Koffi gave his Hunmer to Ferre and all musicians were already present in his house. So when Ferre arrived with his Hummer, Fally, Gibson, Soleil and co already stand up (thinking that it was Koffi), but instead of Koffi it was Ferre, who came out the car and they all had something like “aaah vieux a diminuer biso” Hahahahaha
Lol that is why Fally hates Ferre so much. To be honest if Fally stayed in QL. I think Fally wouldn't have been this big star, because Koffi and Ferre togheter would have cause too much buzz for Koffi and Ferre leaving Fally like Soleil when he went solo
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Whenever I think of the PPU, it makes me sad. A lost generation.
JB sabotaged his own career. If JB at that time had chosen to work with Didi Kalombo and co instead of the old guard, he woud've crushed Maison Mère. And today, the landscape of the genre would've been totally different.
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https://youtu.be/jKBdrronxzs
Dolin responding to the backlash and insults he’s been getting from angry BCBG fans and Mosaka
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https://youtu.be/jKBdrronxzs
Dolin responding to the backlash and insults he’s been getting from angry BCBG fans and Mosaka
Truth hurts.
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https://youtu.be/jKBdrronxzs
Dolin responding to the backlash and insults he’s been getting from angry BCBG fans and Mosaka
Truth hurts.
I can understand being anger at Mosaka insulting you but Dolain really should focus on music only he will be th BCBG's Celeo if he keeps doing this kimd of.rants. the sad fact is that the video got only 939 views in a week and 25 dislike and 9 likes. People do not.want to hear the truth
JB is not anywhere musically. Europe people do not know him the way they know Fally and even in Congo people are starting to forget him. JBL, Kibens and RIO must go or work behind the scene because the BCBG fans made.it.clear they do not want them anymore and everyone do not want to see them again
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https://youtu.be/jKBdrronxzs
Dolin responding to the backlash and insults he’s been getting from angry BCBG fans and Mosaka
Truth hurts.
I can understand being anger at Mosaka insulting you but Dolain really should focus on music only he will be th BCBG's Celeo if he keeps doing this kimd of.rants. the sad fact is that the video got only 939 views in a week and 25 dislike and 9 likes. People do not.want to hear the truth
JB is not anywhere musically. Europe people do not know him the way they know Fally and even in Congo people are starting to forget him. JBL, Kibens and RIO must go or work behind the scene because the BCBG fans made.it.clear they do not want them anymore and everyone do not want to see them again
Is he scared of disappointing people? He seems to be close to releasing the album but changes his mind