Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on May 06, 2020, 11:45
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Coming soon...
In this topic i will talk about various aspects of our music,but to make it easier to read or to post quick without making you wait endlessly,i might post in several parts
i plan to talk about the mentality,the general and particular rules of certain groups,the salary issue,matolo and so on
its up to you guys to suggest with which one i should start
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nothing to say... excellent bro, I think this thread will answer a lot of questions that we all have
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You can start with the mentality and general rules of particular groups. I want to know the mentality of JDL and crew (just joking, lol). Looking forward to the thread.
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I want to know more about the most known code which is douze "12" which we hear about a lot in Wenge Maison Mere especially.
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I want to know about spiritual world
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Start with code 12 please. I keep hearing that term on CV, and I know what it could mean, but I don't fully understand what it's about.
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I want to know how musicians used to lives during the tours that were lasting 6, 7, 8, 9 months and how much money they receive when a donors wants to get a song on a group album or if all the money go to the leader himself (I had that impression on the musicians of Quartier Latin).
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Yeah I also want know how the musicians who were left behind on tours were living and what they were doing whilst the rest of the group is touring in Europe, especially QL
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Waiting with baited breath.
Recruitment of singers,instrumentslists and dancers, defections and returning back. Sisterhood code among female dancers too
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I'm just interested in the Matolo ;D
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Archos you don't want to forget about this.
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Being a female fan , I want to understand the recruitment of female dancers and how dancers can just shift and come back to groups, how on earth is that possible?
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okay guys please in order to make it a topic easy to follow to everybody please give me an order of what to start with
1 2 3 4 5 for example that way it will be easier i will make less mistakes in my text too lol the longer text is the more i tend to make stupid mistakes which i notice when i have already posted
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okay guys please in order to make it a topic easy to follow to everybody please give me an order of what to start with
1 2 3 4 5 for example that way it will be easier i will make less mistakes in my text too lol the longer text is the more i tend to make stupid mistakes which i notice when i have already posted
1. Spirituality
2. Mentality and General Rules (with prticolar focus on JDL's trio
3. Code "12" (Especially the Wenge one)
4. How musician used to live on 6,78,9 Month tours
5. How much money does a simple musician get when a donor ask him a song and if all the money despite the song being of a musiciam goes onto the leader(QL in particular)
6. Musicians left behind in Kinshasa and how were they living on Kinshasa without the help of the group (QL)
7.Recruitment of singers, instrumentalist and dancers
8. Defectioms in group and the return back
9. Sisterhood code among female dancers
10. Matolo
11. Recruitment of female dancers and how dancers can just shift and come back to the groups
12. How do the leaders get contracts to play abroad knowing they aren't getting scammed
13. How does the salary works and how do musicians get paid if the leaders doesn't pay them
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You guys keep adding I will report every question
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I've got another one about how albums were recorded, especially when bands went abroad. Unless albums were recorded live in the studio (the entire band does the song in one take), how were they recorded when guys like Phillipe Guez and Sec Bidens were in charge of arrangements and programmations? I also want more detail as to how these guys crafted the songs.
@Manzambi @Archos however you want to prioritise this is up to you.
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Where the system 12 come from and who was the first to start? I want truth on that one.
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Being a female fan , I want to understand the recruitment of female dancers and how dancers can just shift and come back to groups, how on earth is that possible?
and how one is appointed chef, who decides who joins who doesn't etc
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Also the influence of tribe or ethnicity on who joins what group and the previlledges that acrue as a result of being a tribesmen with the leader of the group. I have heard that one leader started preffering only his tribesmen (swahili) musicians.
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Also the influence of tribe or ethnicity on who joins what group and the previlledges that acrue as a result of being a tribesmen with the leader of the group. I have heard that one leader started preffering only his tribesmen (swahili) musicians.
Mmmm who was it though? For example Pdpe Kalle was a Muswahili but I don't think that Djuna was I think Djuna was a baKongo. Werra is a bayaka a term for the baKongos who do not want to follow the BaKongo rules amd the Matriarchal lineage of society Koffi is mixed I think his father is from Sierra Leone? (That will explain his perfrct english) and his mother Congolese but I forgot from where maybe a mungala tribe. JB is 100% Muluba and goes crazy when you make cries about that. Till this day that crie of Bem Laden and Genta in Kiyunguzuna is played everywhere. "Eh Mwana Muluba e e Sulutani Mwana Mulub'e"
https://youtu.be/AabLeidGdlw
3:50
https://youtu.be/JX_oRl_3dEk
2:38
https://youtu.be/y1ezoqip0Vg
8:23
Fally is a Mungala, Fabregas is also part of the Mungala family, Deplick is a muluba if I am not wrong Brigade and Capuccino are MuSwahilis, Ferre is a BaKongo but since he grew in Kinshasa so he is the typical me me me attitude of Kinshasa, Felix Wazekwa I don't know but Archos will definitely know his tribe.
What I like about Congolese musicians except for some heated argument between the two Wenge's there isn't much tribalism in Congolese music is not rare to hear BaNgalas singing KiKongo songs or BaKongo singing Swahili songs Muluba songs etc. For example Nande is a song in Congolese's Swahili by Werra despite him being a Bayaka eee munangeeee mmm that song is sweet
https://youtu.be/0tfRsnldzZM
About Atalakus I hve already said that Brigade is a muswahili, Lobeso is a Mongo which they are like a more raw version of Bangalad they talk Mongo which is the original lingala since Lingala is mixed with a lot BaKongo words for example Falanga in original lingala which means money is nowadays Mbongo which is standard KiKongo Nzingu insead is heavy KiKongo the dialect of main KiKongo or for example Ndjakomba which means God in Mongo/Original Lingala which has been substituted by Nzambe which is a transliteratuon of the word Nzambi which means God in KiKongo
After that Eclipse is a Muluba, Genta is kinda mixed and has some BaKongo in him, Pajo looks like a typical Bangala very dark but has kind of a not very known name so I can't say with certainity, Cellulaire was a Mungala (his name was Vanga Motema) Fusee is a baluba Celeo a BaKongo and then I don't know there are too many but I don't which was the Swahili leader accepting only Swahili musicians might be Koffi? But Koffi doesn't look a muswahili to mee. The sad fact is that Lingala despite making Congolese music big shoved the door for KiKongo, Swahili and Balubs songs to br mainstream in Congo
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Bro manzambi pepe kalle is muluba,djuna mumbafu mukongo,werra is half muyaka half muyanzi,fally is half mungala half from bandundu its actually his mother who is mungala and his dad from bandundu(its like heritier his father is mungala and his mother muluba but people consider him a full muluba)
fabregas is musakata,one of the ethnies of bandundu,deplick muluba,brigade and capuccino both half muswahili half muluba,wazekwa is mukongo besi ngombe,eclipse is musakata,genta mukongo mungala,celeo a 100 per cent mungala
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@Archos of what ethnicity is Elodie Ebondja?
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Bro manzambi pepe kalle is muluba,djuna mumbafu mukongo,werra is half muyaka half muyanzi,fally is half mungala half from bandundu its actually his mother who is mungala and his dad from bandundu(its like heritier his father is mungala and his mother muluba but people consider him a full muluba)
fabregas is musakata,one of the ethnies of bandundu,deplick muluba,brigade and capuccino both half muswahili half muluba,wazekwa is mukongo besi ngombe,eclipse is musakata,genta mukongo mungala,celeo a 100 per cent mungala
I always thought that Werrason was a half mumbala/half muyaka, because of the way he was doing mumbala vocal impro’s in Wenge 4x4 and also the song Kalayi Boeing (which was in kimbala) giving the village Masi-Mandimba a shoutout.
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Bro manzambi pepe kalle is muluba,djuna mumbafu mukongo,werra is half muyaka half muyanzi,fally is half mungala half from bandundu its actually his mother who is mungala and his dad from bandundu(its like heritier his father is mungala and his mother muluba but people consider him a full muluba)
fabregas is musakata,one of the ethnies of bandundu,deplick muluba,brigade and capuccino both half muswahili half muluba,wazekwa is mukongo besi ngombe,eclipse is musakata,genta mukongo mungala,celeo a 100 per cent mungala
I always thought that Werrason was a half mumbala/half muyaka, because of the way he was doing mumbala vocal impro’s in Wenge 4x4 and also the song Kalayi Boeing (which was in kimbala) giving the village Masi-Mandimba a shoutout.
yeah you are right i made a mistake,its marie paul who is half yanzi half yaka
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Bro manzambi pepe kalle is muluba,djuna mumbafu mukongo,werra is half muyaka half muyanzi,fally is half mungala half from bandundu its actually his mother who is mungala and his dad from bandundu(its like heritier his father is mungala and his mother muluba but people consider him a full muluba)
fabregas is musakata,one of the ethnies of bandundu,deplick muluba,brigade and capuccino both half muswahili half muluba,wazekwa is mukongo besi ngombe,eclipse is musakata,genta mukongo mungala,celeo a 100 per cent mungala
I always thought that Werrason was a half mumbala/half muyaka, because of the way he was doing mumbala vocal impro’s in Wenge 4x4 and also the song Kalayi Boeing (which was in kimbala) giving the village Masi-Mandimba a shoutout.
yeah you are right i made a mistake,its marie paul who is half yanzi half yaka
I saw Marie Paul once saying that Emeneya is his uncle. Is that true ? Or is it that they had the same luvila (clan/village) ?
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yeah emeneya and de paul's grandmothers are sisters if i remember well
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Bro manzambi pepe kalle is muluba,djuna mumbafu mukongo,werra is half muyaka half muyanzi,fally is half mungala half from bandundu its actually his mother who is mungala and his dad from bandundu(its like heritier his father is mungala and his mother muluba but people consider him a full muluba)
fabregas is musakata,one of the ethnies of bandundu,deplick muluba,brigade and capuccino both half muswahili half muluba,wazekwa is mukongo besi ngombe,eclipse is musakata,genta mukongo mungala,celeo a 100 per cent mungala
To be honest Deplick doesn't seem like the typical muluba. If I didn't knew he was Muluba I would expect that he was a BaKongo or a mixed Mungala. Of what ethnicity is Koffi is he really from Sierra Leone? And what about his mother? Let me guess I think his mother is a Mongo because Koffi is particularly loving of the Mongo style. What about the Zebola style it is Congolese or Ivoirian?
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Bakongo is plurial and mukongo is singular.
Why would Congolese people of the 20th copy a rhythm coming from another African country ?Apart American and Cuban music, 80% of the rhythms until the 2000s were inspired from our tribes (Budja, Mongo, Luba, Kongo, Mbala, etc.)
Like I said in other threads, Zebola is a rhythm coming from the Équateur province, where it was played when they were exorcing people. The rhythm was brought in Quartier Latin by Do Akongo.
Koffi’s mother (Maman Amy) is 50% a mutelela and 50% soera leone. Back in the colonial era you had alot of people coming from Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Ghana, etc. (They were calling them ba popo) to work in the administration, because Belgian people weren’t trusting Congolese people. Koffi’s father is an Akula (a tribe from Equateur) and Ngbaka.
About Koffi loving the mongo style is not really true. Because he used promote music of bambala (intro of Olympia, intro of all Noblesse Oblige concerts), muthuasi and music of the Budja-tribe more in the 90s and early 2000 then any other music. Koffi is the one of the rare artist who doesn’t privilege music of his tribe and who always mix. In interview he says often that he’s anti tribalist and 100% nationalist
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The series will start from next week lol the little boy had been "blocking " the computer for that damn fortnite thing :D :D :D
i will start with the way hierarchy is built in groups
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The series will start from next week lol the little boy had been "blocking " the computer for that damn fortnite thing :D :D :D
i will start with the way hierarchy is built in groups
No problem bro, tozo zela kaka
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The series will start from next week lol the little boy had been "blocking " the computer for that damn fortnite thing :D :D :D
i will start with the way hierarchy is built in groups
That's fine lool from what you tell us your boy sounds entertaining haha bless him :D.
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The series will start from next week lol the little boy had been "blocking " the computer for that damn fortnite thing :D :D :D
i will start with the way hierarchy is built in groups
Lol, how long has he been occupying the computer for? This is an interesting first choice, I think I have an idea of what the hierarchy looks like.
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The series will start from next week lol the little boy had been "blocking " the computer for that damn fortnite thing :D :D :D
i will start with the way hierarchy is built in groups
That's fine lool from what you tell us your boy sounds entertaining haha bless him :D.
Suka lol especially in this quarantine by the time you wake up you already hear a voice in living room shouting instructions with headphones on then running everywhere as he won then come crying for v bucks or whatever they call it
ah bana leloyo hein at their age we were living our best life playing soccer barefeet in the streets getting beaten then playing again the next day:D :D :D :D :D
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
Can you do how musicians were living abroad during tours and how musicians who were left behind on tours in kin how they were living whilst the rest of the band was abroad, like how they were surviving if they were getting paid and so on, same with the musicians touring abroad
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
Talk about code 12, like what happens to guys who get 12'd, how they get 12'd and the many reasons they can get 12'd.
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
Toza pret vieux
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
Female dancers recruitment progression and retirement.
Female "journalist" how the work with a band.
Spice it up with intrigues and anecdotes
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Hey guys its been a while i have done one topic on that,what do you want next?
It would be interesting to talk about how managers or admins of an artist do to have contract for their artist with a label or contract for concert live