Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Mfumu Vata on May 16, 2020, 17:25
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjro6MbEKyQ
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very interesting interview, so mon bebe of mirage and bebe gout came from the same song
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we need Brigade again on this show
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wait so if Brigade didn't say that stuff during that meeting of Quartier Latin along with Koffi, Oncle Reece and the staff about Droit Chemin, he wouldn't have missed his trip to Europe?
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This is confusing. I thought 13ans was authored by Serge Mabiala. And Didn't Dolaine Masengu say he wrote part of Ferre's mercure.
That part about Gessac celebrating his first salary was funny. It inspired a whole cri "Cest Le moment". So Cultura Pay Vie salary eza te?
Question: what led to Big Star musicians being arrested in Kenya during their 3 year long tour of Africa. I wish Ado didnt limit the interview to just one major orchestra for someone who was in two big groups.
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mabiala its blandine i think,i dont know why but dolain gives me the impression like few of them to have come to ado's show to make buzz
there was salary in cultura just that most of the admin were wazekwa's brothers and cousins and they were keeping the money for themselves a lot plus gessac's situation in cultura changed 6 months before he joined latino
for the kenya thing must be hotel issues many groups faced that,i d even say all the big groups of then faced it and it happened in for example the cases of bcbg that alain mpela paid for the whole group thanks to guinean donors
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I see. So its a case of fraudulent promoters. Was it the same case with Victoria Eleison DTDB where they'd been forced to do odd jobs and night club performances to make since they had been abandoned by promoters.
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The problem of Defao was that he signed a 1 year deal with a Congolese promoter to tour 1 year long in the USA. So he went to tour there with Kabose, Montana, Pecos and co and profited to go to Canada, U.K. & Switserland when there some void with those tour days. But his musicians then all left, because they refused to tour in Uganda, fearing that they would kill their families or never come back to Kinshasa, since that DR Congo was in war against Uganda and Rwanda. After that Defao ordered his staff in Kinshasa to recruit musicians in Ngiri Ngiri and bring them to Kenya where there was a remaining part of Big Star staying who were waiting to join Defao in Usa, to continue the tour. Defao in meantime went to France having some concerts there and recording Nessy de London. Then he joined the musicians in Nairobi, which was since 1999 their new base, waiting for the visa's. But they weren't getting them since that the tour-promoter had problems with his partners who were furious that King Kester Emeneya didn't the respect the contract they signed with them (the time that he went with Guy Moller, Mbuta Bass and Zoe Bella there and abandon them there without having giving a concert), which made those partners lose alot of money and not wanting to work with him again. So the tour promoter tried to look for other partners, to get Defao in the USA and short the issue of visa's out. After months waiting in Kenya for visa's, their workpermit expired and they got arrested. After that they got released from prison, when they received help from a donor and they went to Angola, Botswana, Zambia and Zimbabwe (If I remember well Defao got arrested multiple times in Zimbabwe and Kenya in 2002 & 2003 about visa's, workpermits and not paid hotelbills). It was a horrible time for Defao and his musicians. Mbetenge who was back in that era also Defao's musician, talked about that once I met him in Paris.
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lol, the way musicians like to throw shots to BCBG. Bourman killed me with the thing he said about BCBG . What has Kibens done to people to be always victim of attacks ? hahahahahaha.
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lol, the way musicians like to throw shots to BCBG. Bourman killed me with the thing he said about BCBG . What has Kibens done to people to be always victim of attacks ? hahahahahaha.
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Loool just look at Kibens he's an easy target the way he talks, dances, even sings. He's got a look about him that you can't help but roast him, and especially he doesn't really reply back loool
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lol, the way musicians like to throw shots to BCBG. Bourman killed me with the thing he said about BCBG . What has Kibens done to people to be always victim of attacks ? hahahahahaha.
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Overstayed his welcome and refusing to step aside for new generation for the good of the band.
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lol jb himself makes fun of it,in one of the reunion/parties of bcbg that fally attended(and seguin and kibens were reluctant to salute him) jb openly said "ehhh kibenga ca va hein ofulama hein soki esimba te mais balobela te"
and on the odd times kibens gets on his nerves he tells him in front of the rest "oyebi que bino il faut bosenga nga merci le seul leader oyo atelemela public,soki ozongi palais osambeli olobi merci nzambe merci mukulu"with jdl shouting "ouaiiiiiiiiiss leader tres important" :D :D :D
if God allows one day i will film a bcbg reunion since they'll never do it themselves,its so funny,less of blatant conflicts than in maison mere for example but quite some drama too
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lol jb himself makes fun of it,in one of the reunion/parties of bcbg that fally attended(and seguin and kibens were reluctant to salute him) jb openly said "ehhh kibenga ca va hein ofulama hein soki esimba te mais balobela te"
and on the odd times kibens gets on his nerves he tells him in front of the rest "oyebi que bino il faut bosenga nga merci le seul leader oyo atelemela public,soki ozongi palais osambeli olobi merci nzambe merci mukulu"with jdl shouting "ouaiiiiiiiiiss leader tres important" :D :D :D
if God allows one day i will film a bcbg reunion since they'll never do it themselves,its so funny,less of blatant conflicts than in maison mere for example but quite some drama too
Lol I just love the way JB talks... ehh Kibenga
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lol jb himself makes fun of it,in one of the reunion/parties of bcbg that fally attended(and seguin and kibens were reluctant to salute him) jb openly said "ehhh kibenga ca va hein ofulama hein soki esimba te mais balobela te"
and on the odd times kibens gets on his nerves he tells him in front of the rest "oyebi que bino il faut bosenga nga merci le seul leader oyo atelemela public,soki ozongi palais osambeli olobi merci nzambe merci mukulu"with jdl shouting "ouaiiiiiiiiiss leader tres important" :D :D :D
if God allows one day i will film a bcbg reunion since they'll never do it themselves,its so funny,less of blatant conflicts than in maison mere for example but quite some drama too
Hehehe. I would love to see their facial expressions when told that. Surely Kibens and co ain't at all shaken being mocked like that.
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The problem of Defao was that he signed a 1 year deal with a Congolese promoter to tour 1 year long in the USA. So he went to tour there with Kabose, Montana, Pecos and co and profited to go to Canada, U.K. & Switserland when there some void with those tour days. But his musicians then all left, because they refused to tour in Uganda, fearing that they would kill their families or never come back to Kinshasa, since that DR Congo was in war against Uganda and Rwanda. After that Defao ordered his staff in Kinshasa to recruit musicians in Ngiri Ngiri and bring them to Kenya where there was a remaining part of Big Star staying who were waiting to join Defao in Usa, to continue the tour. Defao in meantime went to France having some concerts there and recording Nessy de London. Then he joined the musicians in Nairobi, which was since 1999 their new base, waiting for the visa's. But they weren't getting them since that the tour-promoter had problems with his partners who were furious that King Kester Emeneya didn't the respect the contract they signed with them (the time that he went with Guy Moller, Mbuta Bass and Zoe Bella there and abandon them there without having giving a concert), which made those partners lose alot of money and not wanting to work with him again. So the tour promoter tried to look for other partners, to get Defao in the USA and short the issue of visa's out. After months waiting in Kenya for visa's, their workpermit expired and they got arrested. After that they got released from prison, when they received help from a donor and they went to Angola, Botswana, Zambia and Zimbabwe (If I remember well Defao got arrested multiple times in Zimbabwe and Kenya in 2002 & 2003 about visa's, workpermits and not paid hotelbills). It was a horrible time for Defao and his musicians. Mbetenge who was back in that era also Defao's musician, talked about that once I met him in Paris.
But why did King Kester fail to honor his contract?
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Because he was an "aventurie". Emeneya had to bring whole Victoria Eleison to the USA for a 1 year tour, he signed he contract, but changed on the last minute his mind. He used to give his musicians in Kinshasa a hard time and wasn't paying them. So he tought that they would run away if they would arrive in the US. So he decided to bring only Guy Moller, Mbuta Bass and Zoe Bella, wanting to bring a part of the old guard living in France ( Malembe Chante, Danny Takezo, Auguy Lutula, etc.) and Huits Kilo who was living in the US. When they were in the plane, Emeneya said to them, I will put the person who will ran away in a coffin. Then when Zoe Bella, Guy Moller and Mbuta Bass arrived in US they slept one day in New York and the day after it Emeneya abandon them and went to Paris (to mix Longue Histoire). The tour promoter was mad and they were chased away from their hotel. Guy and co hadn't a place to sleep and they slept like 1 or 2 days in the streets, until that they met a Congolese guy living in New York, so they slept there. After some days Zoe Bella found a job and became a window washer, became friends of gangsters walking with guns and started to live in his own place. Guy Moller found a job in a sneaker-shop and went to live with an American girlfriend. Some times months later Guy Moller found through some people the number of Emeneya and he started attacking, but Emeneya clamed him down. Emeneya then convinced him to join Victoria Eleison in Nairobi, but ordered him to not call (knowing that he would come, since that Victoria was struggling there and them also being abandoned by Emeneya). Guy Moller and Zoe Bella did their best to buy bills and went to rejoin Victoria Eleison in Kenya and the rest was history. Mbuta Bass who hadn't a job yet and money remained in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_MOkMgNSU
Guy Moller here talking about the way Emeneya left them in the US
Sampaio was normally also about to go to the US, but he missed the trip after sleeping at his own house which was next Victoria's headquarter, saying to Mbuta, Guy and Zoe that they had to wake him up if they would go to the Ndjili-airport (but Emeneya was furious when he heard that and said to them that they would go without him). Sampiao was mad about that, I remember him denying it in an interview with Popol Mukelenge while his face was saying the opposite and him having to dance Kiwanzenza like a little kid hahaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txNLbk6Qmwc
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Because he was an "aventurie". Emeneya had to bring whole Victoria Eleison to the USA for a 1 year tour, he signed he contract, but changed on the last minute his mind. He used to give his musicians in Kinshasa a hard time and wasn't paying them. So he tought that they would run away if they would arrive in the US. So he decided to bring only Guy Moller, Mbuta Bass and Zoe Bella, wanting to bring a part of the old guard living in France ( Malembe Chante, Danny Takezo, Auguy Lutula, etc.) and Huits Kilo who was living in the US. When they were in the plane, Emeneya said to them, I will put the person who will ran away in a coffin. Then when Zoe Bella, Guy Moller and Mbuta Bass arrived in US they slept one day in New York and the day after it Emeneya abandon them and went to Paris (to mix Longue Histoire). The tour promoter was mad and they were chased away from their hotel. Guy and co hadn't a place to sleep and they slept like 1 or 2 days in the streets, until that they met a Congolese guy living in New York, so they slept there. After some days Zoe Bella found a job and became a window washer, became friends of gangsters walking with guns and started to live in his own place. Guy Moller found a job in a sneaker-shop and went to live with an American girlfriend. Some times months later Guy Moller found through some people the number of Emeneya and he started attacking, but Emeneya clamed him down. Emeneya then convinced him to join Victoria Eleison in Nairobi, but ordered him to not call (knowing that he would come, since that Victoria was struggling there and them also being abandoned by Emeneya). Guy Moller and Zoe Bella did their best to buy bills and went to rejoin Victoria Eleison in Kenya and the rest was history. Mbuta Bass who hadn't a job yet and money remained in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_MOkMgNSU
Guy Moller here talking about the way Emeneya left them in the US
Sampaio was normally also about to go to the US, but he missed the trip after sleeping at his own house which was next Victoria's headquarter, saying to Mbuta, Guy and Zoe that they had to wake him up if they would go to the Ndjili-airport (but Emeneya was furious when he heard that and said to them that they would go without him). Sampiao was mad about that, I remember him denying it in an interview with Popol Mukelenge while his face was saying the opposite and him having to dance Kiwanzenza like a little kid hahaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txNLbk6Qmwc
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Do you believe they would run away if Kester honored the contract? I can't believe they rejoined Victoria Eleison in Kenya after the shit Kester put them through, would you do it? He never paid them to begin with and abandoned them smh
Emeneya was evil for that, but karma came for him
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I don’t know. It depends on the way the tour would have been.
They returnedbecause Emeneya said that he would pay their tickets back (which he didn’t) and their love for Emeneya was to big. When they came all that stuff didn’t happen and they heard all those stories Sampaio, Zozo Malaba, Sweet Elesse and co went through in Kenya.Later on they went to Tanzania where they recorded those Longue Histoire videoclips. When they arrived in Kinshasa after performing Zambia and Lubumbashi, their tickets weren’t still paid and the frustration became bigger with Emeneya going back to Europe for some months (finishing the LH clips and signing the Zenith-contract) and his staff giving the musicians in Kinshasa a hard time.
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I don’t know. It depends on the way the tour would have been.
They returnedbecause Emeneya said that he would pay their tickets back (which he didn’t) and their love for Emeneya was to big. When they came all that stuff didn’t happen and they heard all those stories Sampaio, Zozo Malaba, Sweet Elesse and co went through in Kenya.Later on they went to Tanzania where they recorded those Longue Histoire videoclips. When they arrived in Kinshasa after performing Zambia and Lubumbashi, their tickets weren’t still paid and the frustration became bigger with Emeneya going back to Europe for some months (finishing the LH clips and signing the Zenith-contract) and his staff giving the musicians in Kinshasa a hard time.
What you mean by the staff giving the musicians in Kinshasa a hard time ? You mean not paying them, beating them ect .. ?
It seems like the staffs treat musicians like shit while they the ones who sings songs, doing shows, doing albums ect..
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By insulting, humiliating and disrespecting. You had the same in Viva La Musica.
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By insulting, humiliating and disrespecting. You had the same in Viva La Musica.
World of music is really a world of savages. I guess it was the same for all big groups.
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Because he was an "aventurie". Emeneya had to bring whole Victoria Eleison to the USA for a 1 year tour, he signed he contract, but changed on the last minute his mind. He used to give his musicians in Kinshasa a hard time and wasn't paying them. So he tought that they would run away if they would arrive in the US. So he decided to bring only Guy Moller, Mbuta Bass and Zoe Bella, wanting to bring a part of the old guard living in France ( Malembe Chante, Danny Takezo, Auguy Lutula, etc.) and Huits Kilo who was living in the US. When they were in the plane, Emeneya said to them, I will put the person who will ran away in a coffin. Then when Zoe Bella, Guy Moller and Mbuta Bass arrived in US they slept one day in New York and the day after it Emeneya abandon them and went to Paris (to mix Longue Histoire). The tour promoter was mad and they were chased away from their hotel. Guy and co hadn't a place to sleep and they slept like 1 or 2 days in the streets, until that they met a Congolese guy living in New York, so they slept there. After some days Zoe Bella found a job and became a window washer, became friends of gangsters walking with guns and started to live in his own place. Guy Moller found a job in a sneaker-shop and went to live with an American girlfriend. Some times months later Guy Moller found through some people the number of Emeneya and he started attacking, but Emeneya clamed him down. Emeneya then convinced him to join Victoria Eleison in Nairobi, but ordered him to not call (knowing that he would come, since that Victoria was struggling there and them also being abandoned by Emeneya). Guy Moller and Zoe Bella did their best to buy bills and went to rejoin Victoria Eleison in Kenya and the rest was history. Mbuta Bass who hadn't a job yet and money remained in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_MOkMgNSU
Guy Moller here talking about the way Emeneya left them in the US
Sampaio was normally also about to go to the US, but he missed the trip after sleeping at his own house which was next Victoria's headquarter, saying to Mbuta, Guy and Zoe that they had to wake him up if they would go to the Ndjili-airport (but Emeneya was furious when he heard that and said to them that they would go without him). Sampiao was mad about that, I remember him denying it in an interview with Popol Mukelenge while his face was saying the opposite and him having to dance Kiwanzenza like a little kid hahaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txNLbk6Qmwc
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Sampiao tata mombimba ;D ;D ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_MOkMgNSU
Lol. This interview made me laugh. So Guy Moller called King Kester and told him that he is a Fake Vieux and King Kester replied by saying "te Guy yo oza vrai descendant ya Abraham" to calm him down. I see why musicians stay around leaders even if the pay is not really there. You just forget about all your problems when you around a leader like King Kester with his Yanke and Yuma stories and the zero kilometre BMW he bought.
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