Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: CM PRINCE on June 15, 2020, 21:18
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https://youtu.be/gOIWO1JHH6w
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Will one quartier latin member ever give a 100 per cent positive opinion of soleil hahahaha everytime his name is involved its about trouble,and although i am not there yet there is also a typical seguin moment from what i see in the beginning
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I was about to say the same thing loool wow Soleil is really public enemy number one in QL, he keeps getting exposed for lying about the Depitcho incident. Even a couple of former QL musicians were in the comments of Soleil's last interview with Ado and even said Soleil was lying and that Depitcho did smack him
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One of the most humble and honest animateur in Congo. He doesn’t diss anyone or purposely try to denigrate others compare to that waste man Apocalypse and most Wenge atalakus.
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One of the most humble and honest animateur in Congo. He doesn’t diss anyone or purposely try to denigrate others compare to that waste man Apocalypse and most Wenge atalakus.
This is why I like him and why he'll always be in the top 5 Atalakus
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i agree with you guys however,there is 3 4 little shots at jordan,maybe it could explain why jordan was not his normal very vocal self at that reunion for ocean mourning
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i agree with you guys however,there is 3 4 little shots at jordan,maybe it could explain why jordan was not his normal very vocal self at that reunion for ocean mourning
He usually has a good reason, trust me.
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I love CNN man! For me his best performance was at Bercy with the late Ocean and Volte Face from QL Intergral!
After listening to animations without the accompaniments, you begin to understand what he's saying in the sebenes! Because sometimes I'm just singing gibberish and seeing what floats the boat haha!
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i agree with you guys however,there is 3 4 little shots at jordan,maybe it could explain why jordan was not his normal very vocal self at that reunion for ocean mourning
He usually has a good reason, trust me.
Yeah he even hinted Jordan was the one that told Koffi that CNN was dating Sandra Lina
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seems sandra has been a nightmare to him,since she also ruined his bcbg time by coming there while kisindjora influenced sandra to join so that they can get money from jb outside as jb admired her in force de frappe clips and so on
So the fact it would be reported by the chefs that she's cnn's girl would create conflict with jb and now she's been a bit of nightmare to jb too and like he said that an old woman told him in the past the person who is making you suffer like that will pay one day
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Everytime i look and hear Identite, all i see is CNN.
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seems sandra has been a nightmare to him,since she also ruined his bcbg time by coming there while kisindjora influenced sandra to join so that they can get money from jb outside as jb admired her in force de frappe clips and so on
So the fact it would be reported by the chefs that she's cnn's girl would create conflict with jb and now she's been a bit of nightmare to jb too and like he said that an old woman told him in the past the person who is making you suffer like that will pay one day
How is Sandra a pain to JB Mpiana today? I don't understand how CNN dating her during his time in QL would affect his time with BCBG if they clearly ended on bad terms. Lol
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He says he joined the group at the end of 98 whilst Koffi and co were still in europe for the Droit De Veto tour and they waited 3 months for Koffi to return. Mboshi told CNN at a concert not to perform on stage and others called him to come on stage and CNN refused saying he wasn't feeling well. He was the only one to animate in Attentat because the other atalaku's weren't ready and didn't have his work rate, Genta and Theo Mbala were both briefly in QL and Genta told him he was going to join BCBG since that was his dream.
When he was in South Africa him, Koffi, Fally and another musician were on their way to a restaurant and they saw Michael Jackson walking towards them with his security and Koffi said it's just an impersonator not realizing it was the real Michael, and at the Kora Awards they saw Michael coming down the stairs after getting off the stage and the whole band got excited and took pictures of him and Koffi took all the Cameras from them.
About the supposed altercation where Soleil allegedly challenged Depitcho to beat him he says he didn't see it or even hear anybody talk about it and if what Soleil said was true he could've easily got fired since the entire band respected Depitcho since he was the chef and he was a big name and because he was so influential and that there was no way Koffi would choose a new singer who was a nobody over Depitcho. He was Depitcho's pire petit in the group and he used to share rooms with Depitcho and Fally on trips and hang out with them and Jf.
Soleil had attitude problems in QL and even he himself had problems with Soleil due to Soleil always calling him Petit to mock him (Funnily enough that's what Soleil said caused him to have problems with Depitcho due to Depitcho calling him petit) and that during a Attentat studio session Soleil tried giving an idea how they should do a chorus and Babia disagreed and suggested doing it another way with the whole group agreeing with Babia and Soleil got mad and threw his headset on the floor and stormed out and Koffi confronted him reminding him it's his album and that he got brought to South Africa where there were many musicians left behind in Kin.
There were too many people in the group who wanted to be Koffi's favourites and CNN regularly told them it wasn't a good idea to be his pire petit and it was better to just be his musician, since if the day they part terms they'll end up going on TV and start constantly attacking Koffi for example (without naming him) Jordan Kusa is always saying he can't remember too many good memorys of Koffi and there's too many bad memories.
Each month they would get salaries at the end of the month and never missed a payment,and at the beginning when he joined he used to get 50 dollars a month and when he went to Europe it got changed to 100 dollars a month.
Ado asks him about Chikito and co dancing in front of Ferre and Koffi he says once Ferre and JDT came to visit them and Koffi at a rehearsal after returning from their first Europe tour and recordings Solola Bien and the rest of the group were preparing for their goodbye concert before going to Bercy.
About his indefinite suspension he was so depressed he started drinking and smoking heavily and it was so stressful and he couldn't handle it since he was so young being only 20 years old. He never did witchcraft because for him if he did it why doesn't he do it today and he doubts his vieux JF Ifonge did it because if he did what song or vocal did he do that was successful due to witchcraft.
For CNN atalakus have become constantly disrespected and unappreciated especially since they do some of the hardest work in a group and that leaders need to start crediting atalakus in generiques or at least as co composer, especially for Royalties for stuff like SACEM.
He was suspended because they were on their way to Brazzaville and he had two vaccination cards one belonging to him and Eric Tutsi and eric handed him his card and documents to buy a drink and a guy came who asked to see his passport and he looked through the papers and gave everything back except for his vaccination card and he took it saying it was fake, and CNN believes he was purposely sent and started questioning him and an argument started and the guy said CNN won't travel and Koffi came since there was already tension between them due to him believing CNN was dating Sandra and he never ever dated a dancer and it's true they dated before QL and it was a musician (Jordan) who gossiped to Koffi that CNN was dating her to become Koffi's favourite but nowadays that musician is usually dissing Koffi in interviews.
Koffi understood later on that those musicians that kept gossiping about CNN were wrong and today him and Koffi have a good relationship, There's too many jealousy and hypocrisy in Music for example there's so many ex QL musician's who always speak bad about Koffi but as soon as Koffi announced U Arena they suddenly stopped hoping that Koffi will call them to perform at U Arena and then once it's over they'll go back to dissing Koffi (Haha he must be talking about Suzuki since he's the king of doing that) and CNN urges him to bring QL from Kin and not to contact the Europe based one's since it's the moment for guys like Omba but if he can't maintain their visa's then the Europe based ones will be there.
About his return to the group he was meant to return during Affaire d'edat and almost the whole group didn't want him back but it's Koffi who said no he's my Petit he's coming back and the musicians were still gossiping about him, he left for the final time because he originally wanted to back to kin with the rest of the group who were still gossiping also over conflict over a car he wanted to bring back and he saw history repeating itself.
About his time in BCBG he was approached by Chikito Mutakatif and another pire who told him jb wanted him in the group especially since tutu went to singing section and Alain Mpela told him to join the group and he met with jb and he agreed to join, and the old guards wanted CNN to join the PPU which he found stupid and insulting since he was already well known and refused. He knew the first concert would be in Belgium but the group didn't call him to meet at the station and he went to the station and was stranded since the group already went and he called his friend who came to the station and bought him a ticket and gave him money for the hotel and when he got there Alain told him to come stay in his room and to save his money so he shared with Alain and Seguin. He made his first concert debut and then he went to another concert and when he arrived to the concert his name wasn't on the list and the security wouldn't let him so they kicked him out and he waited for Jb for 3 hours and jb arrived and he brought him inside and he met Ficarre and asked him why wasn't he on the list and Ficarre asked what time did you come and he said 23:00 and Ficarre said "whaaat this is Wenge you're supposed to be here since 15:00" CNN found it strange since around that time he saw musicians in Chateau rouge getting their hair done. They wouldn't call him when they would have rehearsals and other people would tell him and he went to a rehearsal and he showed up and Seguin looked at him saying why are you wearing the same trainers as our pres and Cnn just ignored him and when the rehearsal started he realized how complicated Wenge sebenes are and he messed up on the mic and Alba told him to leave the mic and wait till only if jb calls you to come on stage and the dancers and members of PPU were unhappy with that.
The group went to the US and were supposed to come back to Europe to get CNN so they go back to kin but they went to Kin without him and he didn't know and a lot of people were waiting for CNN in Kin, he spoke on the phone to jb and jb said "Oh you left my group to go back to your group" and Cnn said "I was waiting for you" and Jb told him to go on TV and make a statement and Cnn kind of refused and jb said "I won't accept you back if you want to return". He one day saw a tape of BCBG'S latest concert and he saw Sandra was being presented as a new dancer and CNN laughed and understood that it was because of her and he believes that she's purposely following him to ruin his music career.
Going back to U Arena he fully supports the Koffi performing there and really wants Koffi to fill the arena and he hopes that he brings the team from Kin and it wouldn't make sense for ex members to perform there because when Koffi performed in Olympia, Zenith and Bercy no ex members came so why should they play to U arena, but if he can't get the Visa's then they can perform since that's the only way he can see them playing there.
He's been working on new music which he needs to mix.
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The generation of Fally and co in QL were proper divas no wonder why they were barely new musicians coming on tour after Effrakata they just wanted the group to themselves and didn’t want new members joining or even old members rejoining it’s only after the arrival of Shella and Ferre things started to change.
Also Jb is sooo strange why would he recruit CNN and then not call him to inform him of rehearsals, concerts and even come to get him to go back to Kin and then indirectly fire him along with the PPU’s and then start flaming they all left him for no reason.
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JB despite being a talented Musician, he is a poor leader, he was Lucky in Wenge Musica he had Werrason and Makaba helping him, otherwise he has a very poor judgement, very good musicians have skipped BCBG under his radar, he refused Ferre, was not sirious with Heriter, CNN etc
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prince jb does not lead groups he has always let chefs do the thing,you can see it with the part where he came to concert hours later and because of him cnn entered the hall which would not have happened if it depended on the other,until today jb is like that,i remember even genta in one of the recent birthday concerts of jb at rotana hotel,genta was not entering the hall because seguin tricked him by taking his badge to give it somebody else since their beef over treatment of younger musicians had started and when jb arrived 3 h later too he was surprised to see genta outside since he barely gets involved in all whats preparing concerts his involvement starts from when he arrives and genta entered with no badge as jb told security thats my musician ,having missed most of the concert like seguin wanted
bcbg old guard,like fally's latino had one thing which was that they could have beef between them but they'd kind of unite to block arrival of somebody,if not for cardozo muamba promising to buy more than half of the tickets of the delegation maybe the ppu would have never seen europe because the old guard were not too keen on that
indeed kizito he has sometimes principles who make him not be proactive with talented musicians( the example of heritier who could have already been an attraction at zenith even if he was raw it would have secured him but instead jb said to wait until 2000/2001 when he graduates,or his philosophy of not recruiting proven people from other groups,there is not a generation of the younger artists without at least two guys he preferred not to take in bcbg for that ,while guys like werra or koffi could not care less where you come from or actually where you come from is a perfect reason to recruit you because of beef
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seems sandra has been a nightmare to him,since she also ruined his bcbg time by coming there while kisindjora influenced sandra to join so that they can get money from jb outside as jb admired her in force de frappe clips and so on
So the fact it would be reported by the chefs that she's cnn's girl would create conflict with jb and now she's been a bit of nightmare to jb too and like he said that an old woman told him in the past the person who is making you suffer like that will pay one day
How is Sandra a pain to JB Mpiana today? I don't understand how CNN dating her during his time in QL would affect his time with BCBG if they clearly ended on bad terms. Lol
she's not really a pain to jb but like cnn hinted she is the type of girl when you leave her she'll try her best to get on your nerves,i am starting to think that the famous moment of cnn seeing her with koffi in bed was also organised by her to hurt him
they were not together anymore in QL and she came and straight away became koffi's sidekick and its when she arrived and took another dimension in koffi's eyes that relationship between koffi and cnn became bad since koffi was suspecting him of still dating her,and the same thing in bcbg since sandra arrived to bcbg after himself had joined bcbg
sandra arrived in bcbg and latino for two reasons,the first being that kisindjora is the type of people who finds for koffi or jb when she went to bcbg beautiful dancers to join their groups and become their sidekicks which would make her get advantages in the group besides salary,or she'd bring to them girls she knows outside music to become their sidekicks,and same for donors,that way she'll have an automatic 1K per month or something like that from them no matter what
and the second reason being trying to harass cnn as much as possible to force him to get her back to be at peace ,she's been trying the same thing to jb they are not together anymore since 15 years but she still is super bitter that jb did not marry her as she'd benefit fully of jb's lifestyle if she is the official replacement of amida,so she tried every possible thing to re seduce jb after he announced her he wont marry her following a couple of things and a disagreement with sandra's family,but since she went with kinuani out of rage after that for jb she's now almost a man lol so she went on tv saying she aborted 3 times with koffi and jb combined because they had their wives and things like that still hoping they'd call her to negotiate and make her become again a sidekick with advantages in order to make her shut up
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Thank you Archos, but I have learned that Atalakus are not that much appreciated, I value CNN as one of the most talented atalaku, he is in my top five. I would have expected him to be in high demand, that Kofi would not let him go easily and JB and Werra would have poach him the moment he was kicked out of QL. Back in the days, I was praying that Ekokota stays with Wenge thinking that the band would suffer when he leaves, later Caludgu Came and during the break up I knew that the faction that get Caludge will dominate, but I was wrong. but I think being a non Lingala speaker, sebene part of the song was more enjoyable and Atalakus are the one that kept us entertained most.
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Mboshi told CNN at a concert not to perform on stage and others called him to come on stage and CNN refused saying he wasn't feeling well.
This seems rather sus. It appears that CNN thought something would happen to him if he stepped onstage (a la Blaise Kombo). Was he really feeling under the weather or did he know what was truly up?
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Seeing all this makes me realise how mentally strong CNN is, all the stuff that happened to him he was so young he wasn’t even 25 yet when he disappeared. He didn’t deserve any of that, he really doesn’t get the praise he rightfully deserves and people forget he had a tough task to replace Mboshi and Somono who really set the bar high. I wish he stayed longer in QL, he’ll always be in my top 5 no debate.
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JB despite being a talented Musician, he is a poor leader, he was Lucky in Wenge Musica he had Werrason and Makaba helping him, otherwise he has a very poor judgement, very good musicians have skipped BCBG under his radar, he refused Ferre, was not sirious with Heriter, CNN etc
Very agree, he prefers to keep the "old guard" who brings nothing to his music, its why I dont like BCBG's music and the band generally
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oh yeah,he really did not get the recognition he deserved but then again people are strange with recognition you have genta and eclipse who have gone 20 years straight of new animation every year but people mainly consider bill celeo brigade and even bercy and even somebody like jamaique for the most radical people ,before even giving them a look
so i guess he had to stay longer in the game and do whatever else they consider he has not done to deserve proper credit
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oh yeah,he really did not get the recognition he deserved but then again people are strange with recognition you have genta and eclipse who have gone 20 years straight of new animation every year but people mainly consider bill celeo brigade and even bercy and even somebody like jamaique for the most radical people ,before even giving them a look
so i guess he had to stay longer in the game and do whatever else they consider he has not done to deserve proper credit
Let’s be honest here Archos people don’t give CNN, Mboshi and Somono the recognition because they don’t come from Clan Wenge it’s as simple as that if they did the exact same work and cries in Clan Wenge everyone would give them the praise and people make out like Brigade didn’t do anything before Maison Mere like I’ve said numerous there’s a bias towards Wenge.
And who on earth puts Bercy and Jamaique over Genta and Eclipse? The problem with Genta is BCBG just doesn’t release music and also cause Genta changed his style.
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What did the "shamazulu" word mean in reference to dissing Vieux Bokul?
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At 2:21:10 Seguin to CNN: "C..C..C...CNN ndenge nini yo olati ketch ndenge moko na ketch oyo presi azala nango?" The imitation of seguin cracked me up. :D
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What did the "shamazulu" word mean in reference to dissing Vieux Bokul?
Shamazulu is an old story I think it was a cartoon, about a person with a very big nose.
They were attacking Vieux Bokul nose. Yeah very childish.
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Haha thats nothing compared to werra mocking seguin lol werra himself being a natural strong stamerrer which evolved with time he was doing it too well
i have a feeling the next quartier latin guy ado will try to get is jordan,since although cnn never named him he talked about him several times and ado loves that system of "nani oyo avandaki awa alobaki boye est ce que ekoki kozala alobaki pona yo" and he likes having it back to back
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What did the "shamazulu" word mean in reference to dissing Vieux Bokul?
Shamazulu is an old story I think it was a cartoon, about a person with a very big nose.
They were attacking Vieux Bokul nose. Yeah very childish.
I see. I guess it was in retaliation for calling Quadra as having mutu neti nguba. Lol
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At 2:21:10 Seguin to CNN: "C..C..C...CNN ndenge nini yo olati ketch ndenge moko na ketch oyo presi azala nango?" The imitation of seguin cracked me up. :D
end of 2003 cam cam cam cambodge yoo o o omoni orchestre mosusu te kaka bcbg? for which cambodge replied ah longwa kuna and there started a fight :D :D :D :D
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At 2:21:10 Seguin to CNN: "C..C..C...CNN ndenge nini yo olati ketch ndenge moko na ketch oyo presi azala nango?" The imitation of seguin cracked me up. :D
end of 2003 cam cam cam cambodge yoo o o omoni orchestre mosusu te kaka bcbg? for which cambodge replied ah longwa kuna and there started a fight :D :D :D :D
:D :D. Man was scared of competition. Lol
I was watching that Kibens interview with Cynthia Kapash and I just discovered that Kibens is married to one of Mukulu's relative? No? No wonder Kibens can't be gotten rid of atleast not without serious trahison on his part. Lol
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Thank you Archos, but I have learned that Atalakus are not that much appreciated, I value CNN as one of the most talented atalaku, he is in my top five. I would have expected him to be in high demand, that Kofi would not let him go easily and JB and Werra would have poach him the moment he was kicked out of QL. Back in the days, I was praying that Ekokota stays with Wenge thinking that the band would suffer when he leaves, later Caludgu Came and during the break up I knew that the faction that get Caludge will dominate, but I was wrong. but I think being a non Lingala speaker, sebene part of the song was more enjoyable and Atalakus are the one that kept us entertained most.
If you actually think about it, the Generique is the most known song in the Congolese music structure usually people that listen rhumbas are invested in the group but people know the generique of the Atalakus first not the rhumbas, for example taking Wenge MM everybody knows Parking and Formidable, tell me if people know at the same rate the rhumbas of that album? Nope. But at least Rhumba singers in group albums (even instrmentalists) gets credit if they made the song but Atalaku unless they demand it they mever get credit for their Song if you check albums the generique is always of the leader despite the leader only saying the mabanga not singing in it and not writing the lyrics. Like you said a s a non lingala speaker the generique and the atalaku are the most important but I don't know why Congolese leaders don't value them. Guys like Ekokota especially have been taken advantage of a lot
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oh yeah,he really did not get the recognition he deserved but then again people are strange with recognition you have genta and eclipse who have gone 20 years straight of new animation every year but people mainly consider bill celeo brigade and even bercy and even somebody like jamaique for the most radical people ,before even giving them a look
so i guess he had to stay longer in the game and do whatever else they consider he has not done to deserve proper credit
Let’s be honest here Archos people don’t give CNN, Mboshi and Somono the recognition because they don’t come from Clan Wenge it’s as simple as that if they did the exact same work and cries in Clan Wenge everyone would give them the praise and people make out like Brigade didn’t do anything before Maison Mere like I’ve said numerous there’s a bias towards Wenge.
And who on earth puts Bercy and Jamaique over Genta and Eclipse? The problem with Genta is BCBG just doesn’t release music and also cause Genta changed his style.
That's not true. Genta, Fusee, Cellulaire, Pajo, Lobeso, Prince, Kene Kene, Diego and a lot of Wenge Clan atalakus they don't have the respect reserved to big atalakus the only.clan Wenge's atalaku who gets credit are Bill, Celeo (until he went heads to heads with Fally) Brigade and to some extent Roi David but only to some extent Roi David. The rest they get disrespected costantly, Lobeso gets disrespect for being a proud village boy (which ia seen as a huge shame being proud of being from the village) and to be a Momgo atalaku ruining Wenge's identity, Diego is a junkie whi only thinks to smoke weed and alcohool despite him having an absurd ram 2008 until 2011 with Mayi Ya Sika and Malewa, Genta gets disrespected daily by Bill saying that he is the one amd would kill Genta one o one or saying that he is the second atalaku of Wenge because of Bill and so many others even a legend like Celeo now gets disrespected for not agreeing and licking asses with Fally, and actually Quartier Latin is much more loved and known globally than Wenge MM and surely way more than Wenge BCBG. if you put th last 2:31 of Generation Bercy everyone will go crazy but even if you put Loi they will get even crazier even if you put. Skol Longitima while the only moment I can recall of something similar to that was with Wenge Maison Mere making KoYimbi ko and the whole Solola Bien Generique
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prince jb does not lead groups he has always let chefs do the thing,you can see it with the part where he came to concert hours later and because of him cnn entered the hall which would not have happened if it depended on the other,until today jb is like that,i remember even genta in one of the recent birthday concerts of jb at rotana hotel,genta was not entering the hall because seguin tricked him by taking his badge to give it somebody else since their beef over treatment of younger musicians had started and when jb arrived 3 h later too he was surprised to see genta outside since he barely gets involved in all whats preparing concerts his involvement starts from when he arrives and genta entered with no badge as jb told security thats my musician ,having missed most of the concert like seguin wanted
bcbg old guard,like fally's latino had one thing which was that they could have beef between them but they'd kind of unite to block arrival of somebody,if not for cardozo muamba promising to buy more than half of the tickets of the delegation maybe the ppu would have never seen europe because the old guard were not too keen on that
indeed kizito he has sometimes principles who make him not be proactive with talented musicians( the example of heritier who could have already been an attraction at zenith even if he was raw it would have secured him but instead jb said to wait until 2000/2001 when he graduates,or his philosophy of not recruiting proven people from other groups,there is not a generation of the younger artists without at least two guys he preferred not to take in bcbg for that ,while guys like werra or koffi could not care less where you come from or actually where you come from is a perfect reason to recruit you because of beef
This is a summary of lack of leadership. If Genta can be locked outside of a concert hall then next they will block JB himself. JB is certainly a fool.