Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Mfumu Vata on September 05, 2020, 20:28
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https://youtu.be/UkVk0bp4_qo
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@CM Prince your patience has paid off lol.
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This is the remix of Main dans la main from the La Guerre Des 100 Ans (1999).
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@CM Prince your patience has paid off lol.
Looool finally.
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I didn’t even know this has been out for two days and even though I don’t care about views, the views hasn’t even reached 200 views yet. Defao needs to hire someone to do the marketing because this is shocking, no promotion, no buzz, nothing. He needs to remember he’s not as big as he used to be so he can’t just drop a single with no announcement and expect people to pay attention, even guys like Koffi, Fally and Ferre don’t do stuff like that.
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You guys are grandpas lol
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I thought the animator was Théo Mbala. Their voices are similar. I haven't heard anything from Théo since his departure from Zaïko.
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I didn’t even know this has been out for two days and even though I don’t care about views, the views hasn’t even reached 200 views yet. Defao needs to hire someone to do the marketing because this is shocking, no promotion, no buzz, nothing. He needs to remember he’s not as big as he used to be so he can’t just drop a single with no announcement and expect people to pay attention, even guys like Koffi, Fally and Ferre don’t do stuff like that.
He released a snippet of the song like 6 months ago, he could spend time promoting.
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I thought the animator was Théo Mbala. Their voices are similar. I haven't heard anything from Théo since his departure from Zaïko.
The atalaku is Theo Mbala he rejoined Big Stars. You can see him in the videoclip
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This is the remix of Main dans la main from the La Guerre Des 100 Ans (1999).
They messed the song up and why are Congolese music using that weird drumbeat these days ? I excepted fire, I’m really disappointed.
About remixes, I remember watching an interview on YouTube of Défao in Kampala in 2016 and him saying that he won’t write or buy new songs, because in his opinion it doesn’t make sense, he will only make remixes of his old songs.
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It won't be the same, yeah I wasn't happy with the drums.
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Congolese as a whole needs to do better marketing on music. That’s how albums start to fail.
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I don’t know what to think of this song, but yes that drumming Yikes! And why on earth would Defao prefer to release remixes then buy and record new songs.
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I don’t know what to think of this song, but yes that drumming Yikes! And why on earth would Defao prefer to release remixes then buy and record new songs.
The drums are programmed I think, or it's a drummer on an electric drum set. The way it's played reminds me of his old génériques.
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I don’t know what to think of this song, but yes that drumming Yikes! And why on earth would Defao prefer to release remixes then buy and record new songs.
The drums are programmed I think, or it's a drummer on an electric drum set. The way it's played reminds me of his old génériques.
The electric programmed drums have been overused for the past 10 years and it really pisses me off. We need real drum sets back cause this ain’t it.
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I don’t know what to think of this song, but yes that drumming Yikes! And why on earth would Defao prefer to release remixes then buy and record new songs.
The drums are programmed I think, or it's a drummer on an electric drum set. The way it's played reminds me of his old génériques.
The electric programmed drums have been overused for the past 10 years and it really pisses me off. We need real drum sets back cause this ain’t it.
Really, we can't compare the shitty drum lines of today with the one's of big drummers.
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Man, y’all are harsh critics. As a huge General Defao enthusiast, this is alright. One of the few decent releases of the year
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Man, y’all are harsh critics. As a huge General Defao enthusiast, this is alright. One of the few decent releases of the year
For me the rest is good, only the drums and promotion could be better.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
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@CM PRINCE Have you seen Thierry Cap's. That guy has talent.
No who’s that?
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Man, y’all are harsh critics. As a huge General Defao enthusiast, this is alright. One of the few decent releases of the year
I like it, it’s decent. It’s not fire like I expected but it’s better than the garbage we’ve gotten this year.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
It does for example Koffi and Werra use live drums, Fabregas has used it once or twice, It’s just the rest.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
Oh maybe it could be the cost. In this era of self production, artists have to keep their costs as low as possible hence the use of electric programmed drums.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
Oh maybe it could be the cost. In this era of self production, artists have to keep their costs as low as possible hence the use of electric programmed drums.
Exactly people sometimes forget how much expensive a studio fee is and how much expensive is too pay musicians to record especially drummers, guitarists and singers
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
Oh maybe it could be the cost. In this era of self production, artists have to keep their costs as low as possible hence the use of electric programmed drums.
Exactly people sometimes forget how much expensive a studio fee is and how much expensive is too pay musicians to record especially drummers, guitarists and singers
They can afford to fly a whole band to Europe and tour, but not properly record an album in Kinshasa? I thought their labels would pay an advance for studio time and collect their percentage through sales or tours.
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Congolese artists pay studio fees all by themselves since 2004. Labels don’t exist anymore in Congolese music
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Congolese artists pay studio fees all by themselves since 2004. Labels don’t exist anymore in Congolese music
Is it because the rise of piracy? In America and Europe, music labels apply the 360 deal to recoup capital investments on albums. They'll apportion a percentage for themselves from your merchandising, tours, and paid appearances to increase their ROI.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
Oh maybe it could be the cost. In this era of self production, artists have to keep their costs as low as possible hence the use of electric programmed drums.
Exactly people sometimes forget how much expensive a studio fee is and how much expensive is too pay musicians to record especially drummers, guitarists and singers
They can afford to fly a whole band to Europe and tour, but not properly record an album in Kinshasa? I thought their labels would pay an advance for studio time and collect their percentage through sales or tours.
Wenge You got to undersrand the Congolese music system, unless se are talking about administration, usually musicians get paíd or have trip paid by donors the whole band flies to Europe because let's say Tabou Fatou paíd the ticket Kabuya Famous KB paid the ticket of Tangofor and Mimi Chikeva paid the ticket of Identitè and Guelor, Fally is not directly paying the trip but only collecting the money, if you take account of a standard Congolese Album let's say 15 tracks of a medium duration of 7 minutes knowing how many people must enter in there (singers, Atalakus, the choir, the bassist, drummers etc.) Is a lot of money plus, not always the singer or the Atalaku knows his part so maybe sometimes you mess up the lyrics and you need to start over. Fally can pay a drummer to make love drum sessions, but Defao... Come on he might be rich but clearly see he can cut his cost by reducing the drummer and maybe even Bass by using electronics, being a musician myself I can tell you that a good studio is 100 euro per hour only for the recording and plus 100 euro for the mixing of a singular song, now for making a 3 minutes song you usually take 2 hours (I am alone when I record and I make bats on FL STUDUI so I don't have any musician to pay) imagine how much long the recording can be for Congolese music? As listeners we want the song to he authentic as possible but we must understand that Congolese music is really expensive to make.
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I'm guessing Kinshasa doesn't have good studios to mix live drums
Oh maybe it could be the cost. In this era of self production, artists have to keep their costs as low as possible hence the use of electric programmed drums.
Exactly people sometimes forget how much expensive a studio fee is and how much expensive is too pay musicians to record especially drummers, guitarists and singers
They can afford to fly a whole band to Europe and tour, but not properly record an album in Kinshasa? I thought their labels would pay an advance for studio time and collect their percentage through sales or tours.
The only Congolese guys who works with a label are Fally, Fabregas, Ferré, and to some extent Robinio Werra, Koffi, Wazekwa, Innoss B and many others are indioendent because they understood that every thing a label gives you is a loan you have to pay usually the label pays the studio yes but it is a cost you have to repay to them and that they will take bbtaking a piece of your revenue let's say the studio time costed 10 k dollars the label as soon as you make 10 k dollars with tours or through by revenue will recoupe the cost by taking the percentage.
I could explain further into it but BET and Jared Leto frontman of 30 Seconds to Mars made a brilliant job of explaining it in details how label works
https://youtu.be/2dJQdF7cvbU
Actually BET had a series called Rles to this s*** who helped artist not to get screwed but I can't find it anywhere the video you will see was by that series
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It's not for these reasons that Congolese bandleaders are mostly independent, otherwise they have already produced their albums in the 90s and 2000s by himself like Tabu Ley, Franco & Zaiko Langa Langa who had their own recordlabels in the 70s & 80s (Not talking about Quartier Latin-albums who were produced by Koffi Olomide himself, but distributed by Sonodisc/Sono/Next Music). They are independent, because real musiclabels don't exist anymore in Congolese music, the few who exist aren't able to give proper money to artists to pay all those studiofees, promotion for television, etc. That's why you had often those problems in the last years before the combattans-phenomenon about fans and people often complaining about albums not being well promoted. In the last years 2004-2012, it were mostly the Congolese artists for a big part paying the studiofees themselves and using guys like Diego Music, Sonima Nadim for distribution. Also Congolese music isn't really lucrative, because there is huge piracy in Africa (In DR Congo those criminals are protected by the police and ministers) which makes Congolese artists themselves doing piracy in Kinshasa to gain money (recordlabel Next Music "former Sonodisc" used to fire Papa Wemba & Koffi Olomide for that in 2003 and Papa Wemba himself revealed that back in 2009 which made Koffi furious). Artists like Kanda Bongo Man, Koffi Olomide, Wenge Musica 4x4, General Defao, etc. saw 800.000 copies of piracy version from their albums being sold in Africa (Ivory Coasy, Guinea, Kenya, Tanzania, Cameroon). That's why from the late 90s most label were only promoting the music in Europe, but the Congolese diaspora itself doesn't really buy music, mostly copying it or borrow it from relatives, friends and buying cheap piracy cd's in Matonge & Chateaux Rouge. Piracy became with the years so strong in the Congolese community of Europe that it demotivated the few who were producing music and those who were recording movies (which Congolese people call theatre). Somina Nadim until this day complains about the money he lost in producing Temoignage, Monde Arabe and Danger de Mort and not getting the money back he invested (he even sued Koffi Olomide when he heard that he signed with Ndiaye for Skol SWI). When Congolese music was on his peak in Europe (1995-2002), labels used to sell more than 50.000 copies in Europe (mostly declaring 10.000 of the fabricated cds to recordcompanies to avoid taxes), but from 2003 many labels weren't to sell more than 10.000 copies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkUWD-2oLEU
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Congolese are tired, lets let them rest. Kkkkkkkk
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Congolese are tired, lets let them rest. Kkkkkkkk
More than that is that Congolese are fed up with the way Musician behave, not all of them, but many musicians scam people, talk bad of the people that helped them when no one believe in them, sleep with wives or girlfriend of people who supported them and if you are a donor and gets hit bad by a lost of money good luck receiving the same amount of attention by a musician again, and youngsters really do not care about Ndombolo anymore, if you check the recent releases other than Fally who is shrinking in view the one who gets the most clicked are Innoss and usually BM if he does a banger and these two guys are far away from the concept of Ndombolo Congolese music BM is a little bit more into it or at least he was into it until he started to follow Nigerians once again. Innoss instead is trying to do his own Genre Afro Congo and is going great. Trust me the last hope for Ndombolo is Prince Babia or a Youngsters from Europe who would be able to make Ndombolo music worldwide like Reggaaton artists did with their music, but Ndombolo is on his final times
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Yeah true the guys are losing it bigtime, I noticed something about their new songs let's say Allo Téléphone and Papa Ngwasuma you can't dance to these songs, tge only way you can dance them is through following the actual routines on the video (That's how I noticed that its gone - imagine Loi you could dance through out) I saw a dance group trying Allo Téléphone they go stuck from Bebe Tango's cri to the end lol
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Man this song is pretty good. It is a great reunion of two former Choc Stars singers together. They had not sung together since 1985 when Bozi formed Anti-Choc. It has taken 37 years for a reunion. Better late than never.