Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: jordanlumbala101 on October 17, 2022, 15:28
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Oh snap. I hope it’s good.
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It's a triple rumba album
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That’s when you know he don’t care about promotion in DRC like that no more because why he didn’t announce it in an interview when comes back this week? If it’s anything like Control he can keep it, yeah the last two releases were good but I don’t have high hopes for this album.
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That’s when you know he don’t care about promotion in DRC like that no more because why he didn’t announce it in an interview when comes back this week? If it’s anything like Control he can keep it, yeah the last two releases were good but I don’t have high hopes for this album.
Even if he announced the release in a DRC interview what makes the difference? He announced it on socials which is the new way of doing it. As long as he promoted the album in Kin which I’m certain he will it doesn’t matter, plus most times when artists announce release dates in interviews it doesn’t happen. Don’t you remember nearly 2 years ago when most artists released on December 18 they all announced through social media, even Ferre same thing with dynastie earlier this year.
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That’s when you know he don’t care about promotion in DRC like that no more because why he didn’t announce it in an interview when comes back this week? If it’s anything like Control he can keep it, yeah the last two releases were good but I don’t have high hopes for this album.
Even if he announced the release in a DRC interview what makes the difference? He announced it on socials which is the new way of doing it. As long as he promoted the album in Kin which I’m certain he will it doesn’t matter, plus most times when artists announce release dates in interviews it doesn’t happen. Don’t you remember nearly 2 years ago when most artists released on December 18 they all announced through social media, even Ferre same thing with dynastie earlier this year.
I was just saying he rarely does interviews in Kin so it would've been nice for him to announce it over there but yes you are right social media is the new way of doing it.
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Fally is smart and knows marketing, I saw on instagram a video of him saying that fans who would buy the album in pre-order would receive a shout-out in the album and a signed CD. Having already alot of fans in Africa, Europe and America, he will make alot of money. His album will be number one in Itunes, the question is if it will drop in the charts the days that will follow which often the case with Congolese rumba-albums on digital platforms
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That’s when you know he don’t care about promotion in DRC like that no more because why he didn’t announce it in an interview when comes back this week? If it’s anything like Control he can keep it, yeah the last two releases were good but I don’t have high hopes for this album.
Fally Ipupa see's the Congolese media on television as inferior. He openly attacked them in 2017 during as press-conference in I think Showbuzz after the release of Tokoos, after being asked why he didn't do any interview with them for 1,5 year. Many journalists were mad but were scared to attack him openly, but some like Charly Prince started a war against him. From then Fally had just each year one interview with his friend Naty Lokole on tv, one with Franck Stemay and 3 with Popol Mopasula but those doesn't count because the two are since years youtube-journalists. I think that that is the reason why Virginie Manganga became pro-Ferre and Anti-Fally attacking Fally often on internet.
Promotion to the Congolese press on tv doesn't have any impact anymore. People in Kinshasa barely follow television. Youtube interviews with guys like Ado Yuhe, Franck Stemay and co has more impact now
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It's a triple rumba album
triple rhumba meaning there is no generique??
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That’s when you know he don’t care about promotion in DRC like that no more because why he didn’t announce it in an interview when comes back this week? If it’s anything like Control he can keep it, yeah the last two releases were good but I don’t have high hopes for this album.
Fally Ipupa see's the Congolese media on television as inferior. He openly attacked them in 2017 during as press-conference in I think Showbuzz after the release of Tokoos, after being asked why he didn't do any interview with them for 1,5 year. Many journalists were mad but were scared to attack him openly, but some like Charly Prince started a war against him. From then Fally had just each year one interview with his friend Naty Lokole on tv, one with Franck Stemay and 3 with Popol Mopasula but those doesn't count because the two are since years youtube-journalists. I think that that is the reason why Virginie Manganga became pro-Ferre and Anti-Fally attacking Fally often on internet.
Promotion to the Congolese press on tv doesn't have any impact anymore. People in Kinshasa barely follow television. Youtube interviews with guys like Ado Yuhe, Franck Stemay and co has more impact now
Why does he sees them as inferior?
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According to Fally they contributed nothing to his succes. He sees himself bigger than them. But he forget how hard they promoted Droit Chemin for him and the tracks of his album getting a lot of airtime on the radio and television. If they hadn’t done it, Droit Chemin would have flopped, him today doing jobs in Europe. Droit Chemin was about to flop, but it’s due to television directors Shabani Records and the late Michel Lady Luya who were in war against Koffi that they started hard promoting Droit Chemin and after two months the album suddenly getting crazy succes.
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It's a triple rumba album
triple rhumba meaning there is no generique??
more like surely there is one generique per album plus the traditional disstrack towards celeo and ferre lol
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Word of mouth is the album will have more than 20 songs divided into 3 volumes :o
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Fally and But Na Filet on their way back to Kin
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There is gonna be a generique, maybe 3 or 4
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According to Fally they contributed nothing to his succes. He sees himself bigger than them. But he forget how hard they promoted Droit Chemin for him and the tracks of his album getting a lot of airtime on the radio and television. If they hadn’t done it, Droit Chemin would have flopped, him today doing jobs in Europe. Droit Chemin was about to flop, but it’s due to television directors Shabani Records and the late Michel Lady Luya who were in war against Koffi that they started hard promoting Droit Chemin and after two months the album suddenly getting crazy succes.
That's the right punishment for letting Fally fans and Fally himself being so hyped, plus he always fail to mention how bad he flopped in the states, and how bad his English is that's why he will never be near the level of a Burna Boy for example, plus if he was so though and so cool, why doing all those features with it Frenc Artists who got paid by the label? Why not make a full album all of yourself where you just sing on instrumentals? Thus thing will end up by killing him because it was the same shit Ferre was thinking I am the great and others are beneath me. Miss me with that BS Fally needs to be humbled.
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It's a triple rumba album
Usually Fally does three generique per album
One with the Fally style (traditional Boniomai loke Original, or Elok'Oyo) one with the Wenge Style (Libre Parcours#1) and one with the Quartier Latin style (Power 001 which is a mix of Boniomai and Quaartuer Latin and Libre Parcours#3)
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According to Fally they contributed nothing to his succes. He sees himself bigger than them. But he forget how hard they promoted Droit Chemin for him and the tracks of his album getting a lot of airtime on the radio and television. If they hadn’t done it, Droit Chemin would have flopped, him today doing jobs in Europe. Droit Chemin was about to flop, but it’s due to television directors Shabani Records and the late Michel Lady Luya who were in war against Koffi that they started hard promoting Droit Chemin and after two months the album suddenly getting crazy succes.
That's the right punishment for letting Fally fans and Fally himself being so hyped, plus he always fail to mention how bad he flopped in the states, and how bad his English is that's why he will never be near the level of a Burna Boy for example, plus if he was so though and so cool, why doing all those features with it French Artists who got paid by the label? Why not make a full album all of yourself where you just sing on instrumentals? Thus thing will end up by killing him because it was the same shit Ferre was thinking I am the great and others are beneath me. Miss me with that BS Fally needs to be humbled.
Congolese music needed a transition at that time, because Koffi Olomidé and Werrason were on the top for to long and had to much control on the media. The press did it right because if they didn't push Fally, then many would not take that risk to go solo. There's an interview of Naty Lokolé in 2006 keeping pushing Lacoste to leave Maison Mère. But I can't find it.
Also at that time, Coupé Décale was seriously dominating Ndombolo. Congolese music wasn't played much anymore in clubs of Paris and Francophone countries of Africa. But due to Fally's collaborations with Krys (Droit Chemin Remix in 2007 and Sexy Dance), Malembe with Mokobé who were commercial, Congolese music could breathe a little bit until the total domination of Nigerian Music that came in 2010. Werrason also doing an effort with Techno Malewa by mixing it with Coupe Decale, in order to be played in clubs. In the same era Koffi said after release of B.E.K. that he left the noise of atalaku's to Ivory Coast, that all Congolese should follow and sing more on their own instead of doing atalaku's doing all the job and not minding to put the generique as 5th track or last track in his following albums. Imagine Fally not being there, how would the situation be at that time ?
The breakthrough of Fally gave our music fresh air, Ferre Gola later joining which created a kind of a revolution. But it got messed up by the press who wanted to create a new JB vs Werra with Fally and Ferre. A few months later, some journalists not receiving Fally anymore for being pro-Ferre and some not receiving Ferre anymore for being pro-Ferre. But Fally still having the majority behind him because of being "humble" at that time and Ferre already having alot of issues because of his behavior the staff around him not helping.
Fally behavior started to change slowly from 2015. I think that he realized that he could reign own his own, which made him see himself as god with his succes that kept growing on the African continent and also in Congo itself. This because of his rival Ferre Gola not being a threat for him anymore after Derangement, Koffi Olomide who tried to kill his career not being able to get in Europe for years and not being the same anymore musically, Werrason being in decline since Ingeta and indirectly ordering his fans (who were first the big majority) to fight both Ferre and Heritier by supporting Fally (a major mistake from Werrason). Fally since not being with David Monsoh anymore, getting rich because of the huge amount of money he was getting from donors for rumba's, sponsorships, "worldmusic" that he started to make and from then being able to buy the press like the way his elders used to do and control them. Later on he also started his own militia on youtube, which was first for a big part controlled by Heritier in the first 2 years of his solo-career
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According to Fally they contributed nothing to his succes. He sees himself bigger than them. But he forget how hard they promoted Droit Chemin for him and the tracks of his album getting a lot of airtime on the radio and television. If they hadn’t done it, Droit Chemin would have flopped, him today doing jobs in Europe. Droit Chemin was about to flop, but it’s due to television directors Shabani Records and the late Michel Lady Luya who were in war against Koffi that they started hard promoting Droit Chemin and after two months the album suddenly getting crazy succes.
That's the right punishment for letting Fally fans and Fally himself being so hyped, plus he always fail to mention how bad he flopped in the states, and how bad his English is that's why he will never be near the level of a Burna Boy for example, plus if he was so though and so cool, why doing all those features with it French Artists who got paid by the label? Why not make a full album all of yourself where you just sing on instrumentals? Thus thing will end up by killing him because it was the same shit Ferre was thinking I am the great and others are beneath me. Miss me with that BS Fally needs to be humbled.
Congolese music needed a transition at that time, because Koffi Olomidé and Werrason were on the top for to long and had to much control on the media. The press did it right because if they didn't push Fally, then many would not take that risk to go solo. There's an interview of Naty Lokolé in 2006 keeping pushing Lacoste to leave Maison Mère. But I can't find it.
Also at that time, Coupé Décale was seriously dominating Ndombolo. Congolese music wasn't played much anymore in clubs of Paris and Francophone countries of Africa. But due to Fally's collaborations with Krys (Droit Chemin Remix in 2007 and Sexy Dance), Malembe with Mokobé who were commercial, Congolese music could breathe a little bit until the total domination of Nigerian Music that came in 2010. Werrason also doing an effort with Techno Malewa by mixing it with Coupe Decale, in order to be played in clubs. In the same era Koffi said after release of B.E.K. that he left the noise of atalaku's to Ivory Coast, that all Congolese should follow and sing more on their own instead of doing atalaku's doing all the job and not minding to put the generique as 5th track or last track in his following albums. Imagine Fally not being there, how would the situation be at that time ?
The breakthrough of Fally gave our music fresh air, Ferre Gola later joining which created a kind of a revolution. But it got messed up by the press who wanted to create a new JB vs Werra with Fally and Ferre. A few months later, some journalists not receiving Fally anymore for being pro-Ferre and some not receiving Ferre anymore for being pro-Ferre. But Fally still having the majority behind him because of being "humble" at that time and Ferre already having alot of issues because of his behavior the staff around him not helping.
Fally behavior started to change slowly from 2015. I think that he realized that he could reign own his own, which made him see himself as god with his succes that kept growing on the African continent and also in Congo itself. This because of his rival Ferre Gola not being a threat for him anymore after Derangement, Koffi Olomide who tried to kill his career not being able to get in Europe for years and not being the same anymore musically, Werrason being in decline since Ingeta and indirectly ordering his fans (who were first the big majority) to fight both Ferre and Heritier by supporting Fally (a major mistake from Werrason). Fally since not being with David Monsoh anymore, getting rich because of the huge amount of money he was getting from donors for rumba's, sponsorships, "worldmusic" that he started to make and from then being able to buy the press like the way his elders used to do and control them. Later on he also started his own militia on youtube, which was first for a big part controlled by Heritier in the first 2 years of his solo-career
What do you mean about Werra indirectly saying Maison Mere fans to support Fally? And why it was a mistake? Well I know why it was a mistake, because it was like a shot in the foot, with people seeing Werra as someone who favors other people's children (I think that's why he wanted to be so coll with Fabregas, Heritier, Celeo etc.) But I want to know your opinion about it.
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i would say mistake because today some who were his fans dont even want to hear about him,just dicap,same for jb aswell you will find plenty of people who were literally insulting and threatening people for jb werra 6 7 8 years ago in comments who are the first in line to embarass them in favor of dicap now,while those who support heritier for example remained loyal to jb and werra or came back quick as soon as heritier made peace with nsone
on the other hand you'll see that no matter what koffi and fally always are careful to never go above a certain limit so that their sort of common fanbase does not enter a irreversible level of toxicity
if its spread accross africa that there is huge war between koffi and fally its good for neither of them they'll pushed into explaining it deep and it wont look good for them if for example they know that somebody insulted koffi's mother in the name of fally and fally posted her,or that allegedly its koffi who was behind the nicky affair no way in the craziest world even as overconfident as he is now fally will accept being in position to answer this in abidjan for example and clearly voicing what he thought of koffi about that
in general i would say that the fighting system of wenge took too long to have rules it was too freestyle and it created a lot of issues until today they took too long to start controlling it a bit
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It was a huge mistake. Because like Archos said, the most who are insulting Werra and JB for Fally today are the same who 9/8 year ago used to praise Werra.
Through guys like Sankara de Nkuta, Papy Kakol, Tresor Lumiere and others, they kept saying that Ferre is an ungrateful child, tilapia, etc. Fally is a good example because of always respecting his ex'boss (Koffi) and Ferre an ungrateful child, etc. Them often mentioning Fally's name in interviews and praising Fally while they never/barely mention former MM musicians. Werrason also often met Fally in private and make pictures with him, to say "see this kid is grateful and has respect for elders and isn't like tilapia". Fally was one of Werra's guest during that 3 day-event, but he didn't (couldn't) show up on sunday. This all made many WMM-fans adopting Fally Ipupa and when Werra became down, many off them automatically became Fally fans, which is normal because Fally is their generation. The generations before them who used to support Werra in the 90s and 2000s having many responsibility (being to busy, work, family, etc.).
The funny thing is that back in 2009 Werra and Fally had a strong conflict and the same Sankara and Papy Kakol insulting Fally on tv. I remember watching in 2010 on Congomikili, Papy Kakol having Fally's clothes of A2BM on him, attacking Fally and kept repeating "Werra alakisa biso impolitesse". The journalist tried to correct him, but Papy didn't listen. I wonder what made them reconcile with Fally or maybe its due to Ferre openly starting to attack them from the interview he did with Mamie Ilela in 2012 after finishing "acoustique showcase 1789".
People weren't seeing Werra favoring other children, because he barely talks about both (that's the biggest trick). Werra barely makes interviews and mostly talks about himself, when he tries to praise someone its always with some difficulties. It's always Sankara and his musicians talking about him on tv. Back in 2012/13, he had an interview and was asked if he was proud about having alot artists who are doing well in their solo-career and him giving a strange answer like he wasn't happy. Somewhere in 2014/15 he had an interview with Mamie Ilela and he said that if you leave him, then you are automatically his enemy. Werrason never openly supported a former WMM-musician, he was always the first to attack them and made their career difficult. Its only back in 2016 or 2017 that he started support Fabregas, but it was to attack Heritier indirectly and it hadn't alot of impact and you could see on him that he wasn't really liking it and now he's supporting Heritier
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mampata played a role in fally and nsone making peace since fally is her longtime pire petit,which she also did with wata,but which she failed to succesfully do with ferre because both and especially her husband made it hard for a long long time