Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Mfumu Vata on March 15, 2023, 21:02
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I was wondering what happened to the late Maneno because on the cover of the Live In Japan CD said dedicated to Maneno.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZ53TTbz/OTgt-NDE1-Mi5qc-GVn.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I was wondering what happened to the late Maneno because on the cover of the Live In Japan CD said dedicated to Maneno.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZ53TTbz/OTgt-NDE1-Mi5qc-GVn.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I was also wondering that because he didn't participate on "Polo Kina" & "Everybody".
According to Adricha in this video, Maneno became addictated to drugs when coming in Europe and passed away not long after that (probably an overdoses) It not clear when he passed away, but I think in 1993 because the live album came out in '93 while it was recorded during their trip to Japan in 1991.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
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I think that Victoria Eleison be in a dip if Emeneya allowed other singers to shine in band. There were apparently many singers rejected just because of him or his staff fearing that they might become stars. I feel sorry for the way they treated Zobena X-Or in Victoria Eleison.
I think that Adricha denied his time in Anti Choc because of a bad experience. There are some parts that I don't believe. For example that he joined Choc Stars in the era of Jardin Abandonée while that album came out in 1988 and at that time he was in Victoria. I'm also doubting about him pariticipating as drummer to albums in Big Stars. The version about his time in Big Stars always change with every interview when he gets confronted by fanatics or former musicians in the comments. In another interview he claimed that he joined Big Stars as singer and left because of Montana. There was also an interview where he claimed to be the original songwriter of Madilu's song Pardon but guitarist Volvo Lukebuka attacking him in the comments and claiming that it was his song.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Yeah smh that part shocked me
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What did Madilu say?
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mannnn madilu was very very rude,i believe rio also left him because of something like that i used to hear in the circle of bcbg when rio joined that the guy when you came to ask for money he'd ask you to give one of your kids before he helps you which they obviously were refusing and going back home pissed ,that generation really transmitted evil mentality to the younger until today,its very very very rare to find a leader who is just cool and full of humanism
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What did Madilu say?
he went to asked for money to madilu to treat his children who was very sick madilu say ohh its not a problem when he dies i'll pay for the coffin
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
I remember watching an interview from Lassa l'acolyte (Carlyto Lassa's brother) with I forgot the interviewee but he said that he was at Madilu's house and he wouldn't give him anything to eat.
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I was wondering what happened to the late Maneno because on the cover of the Live In Japan CD said dedicated to Maneno.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZ53TTbz/OTgt-NDE1-Mi5qc-GVn.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I was also wondering that because he didn't participate on "Polo Kina" & "Everybody".
According to Adricha in this video, Maneno became addictated to drugs when coming in Europe and passed away not long after that (probably an overdoses) It not clear when he passed away, but I think in 1993 because the live album came out in '93 while it was recorded during their trip to Japan in 1991.
It could've passed in 1992 because he didn't participate on "Polo Kina" who knows. Btw Everybody did not have live drums it was programmed.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Then again, this is the same guy who made a comment on one of his songs about not giving his band visas for Europe.
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I think that Victoria Eleison be in a dip if Emeneya allowed other singers to shine in band. There were apparently many singers rejected just because of him or his staff fearing that they might become stars. I feel sorry for the way they treated Zobena X-Or in Victoria Eleison.
I think that Adricha denied his time in Anti Choc because of a bad experience. There are some parts that I don't believe. For example that he joined Choc Stars in the era of Jardin Abandonée while that album came out in 1988 and at that time he was in Victoria. I'm also doubting about him pariticipating as drummer to albums in Big Stars. The version about his time in Big Stars always change with every interview when he gets confronted by fanatics or former musicians in the comments. In another interview he claimed that he joined Big Stars as singer and left because of Montana. There was also an interview where he claimed to be the original songwriter of Madilu's song Pardon but guitarist Volvo Lukebuka attacking him in the comments and claiming that it was his song.
Zobena X-Or had his own energy in Victoria I still remember when he performed with Victoria during a show at Tele Zaire. In the era of Jardin Abandonée, Choc Stars was on tour they record the medley "Carnaval" "Nalela Bolingo" and albums outside the band such as "Chagrin Dimone" and "Sauvetage." The band probably returned in late '88 or early '89. I had to rewind when he joined Madilu's band after departing Choc Stars. It's possible he could've joined Choc Stars somewhere in 1993.
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About bandmembers going to their leaders and not getting anything to eat is nothing. Almost all leaders do that. Today Ferre's spokemen Tresor Kongolo who used to be with Fally first is often mocking on social media by Fally-fanatics for his interview where he once said that Fally didn't give him breakfest when he came early in the morning.
But the stuff that Madilu was doing to his employees was really bad. Fofo le Collegien, Yaya Londa, Bibiche and Do Akongo all had stories about the way they were treated bad by him.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Then again, this is the same guy who made a comment on one of his songs about not giving his band visas for Europe.
Hahaha that was towards the end of the song Nakombo. It must have been very humilated for his musicians to hear that when the album came out. Because that time is was for the 3th time that he promised them that they would go to Europe after releasing Pouvoir. The musicians were sure that they would go with him this time because for the first time they participated to recording-sessions (few songs of the album Pouvoir were recorded in Kinshasa). Madilu came back and toured with them like usually to multiple African countries and then abandoned them in Kinshasa for 2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPXf7xIDY8
from 6:46 min "Ambassadeur Molengo komeka kopesa bango visa te. Noki te bako kende kokima"
The way his singers were also smiling in the video when coming to that part hahahaha
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About bandmembers going to their leaders and not getting anything to eat is nothing. Almost all leaders do that. Today Ferre's spokemen Tresor Kongolo who used to be with Fally first is often mocking on social media by Fally-fanatics for his interview where he once said that Fally didn't give him breakfest when he came early in the morning.
But the stuff that Madilu was doing to his employees was really bad. Fofo le Collegien, Yaya Londa, Bibiche and Do Akongo all had stories about the way they were treated bad by him.
Yeah, hearing the stories from Madilu former musicians were shocking.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Then again, this is the same guy who made a comment on one of his songs about not giving his band visas for Europe.
Hahaha that was towards the end of the song Nakombo. It must have been very humilated for his musicians to hear that when the album came out. Because that time is was for the 3th time that he promised them that they would go to Europe after releasing Pouvoir. The musicians were sure that they would go with him this time because for the first time they participated to recording-sessions (few songs of the album Pouvoir were recorded in Kinshasa). Madilu came back and toured with them like usually to multiple African countries and then abandoned them in Kinshasa for 2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPXf7xIDY8
from 6:46 min "Ambassadeur Molengo komeka kopesa bango visa te. Noki te bako kende kokima"
The way his singers were also smiling in the video when coming to that part hahahaha
Very humiliating hahahaha.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Then again, this is the same guy who made a comment on one of his songs about not giving his band visas for Europe.
Hahaha that was towards the end of the song Nakombo. It must have been very humilated for his musicians to hear that when the album came out. Because that time is was for the 3th time that he promised them that they would go to Europe after releasing Pouvoir. The musicians were sure that they would go with him this time because for the first time they participated to recording-sessions (few songs of the album Pouvoir were recorded in Kinshasa). Madilu came back and toured with them like usually to multiple African countries and then abandoned them in Kinshasa for 2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPXf7xIDY8
from 6:46 min "Ambassadeur Molengo komeka kopesa bango visa te. Noki te bako kende kokima"
The way his singers were also smiling in the video when coming to that part hahahaha
Did Madilu go through abuse in OK Jazz? I've always wondered where this tyrannical leadership comes from. I understand how Felix Wazekwa tries to be fair with paying musicians, because of his religious background.
But I'm surprised Koffi Olomide paid his musicians especially since he was a protege of Papa Wemba who never paid musicians.
Also, wouldn't Madilu grow to a different dimension if he brought his group to Europe like other bands? You see the respect Werra and Koffi get for the singers they turn into stars like Ferre Gola, Bouro Mpela, Bill Clinton, ect.
Why have a band in Kinshasa if you're just going to re-record your album with session musicians in Europe. It never made sense to me.
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It´s actually smart to have a band in Kinshasa, when using session musicians. Because he don't have to pay them or just pay them peanuts and they will never leave you hahaha. If he hire session musicians you will have to pay them every concert. I remember a percussionst doing an interview on one of Kinshasa'smany tv-channels, saying that Koffi invited to help him with a concert at grand hotel. They agreed that he would pay him 50xthe amount of hours he performed. They performed like 5 hours with him. So when he concert was finished he tought he would get 250 dollars, but Koffi started running. The guy first thought that he was running because of being in danger until realizing that Koffi was actually running to his car to not pay him. The guy tried to contact Koffi multiple times, but Koffi was not getting his calls and ended up insulting him. He did apparently the same thing to Pathy Moleso after Zenith 2009.
Fally Ipupa and David Monsoh weren't happy the way they had to pay session musicians every concert during the short Europe tour they did in 2006 after the release of Droit Chemin. Djudjuchet wanted something like 400 every concert. Popolipo ended up by leaving them because he wanted get 300 euros every concert. The rest was ok for getting just 200 euros or 150.
Madilu had nothing to worry. Because he had already the label of being the heir of Franco's music. But yeah he could have been on a much bigger dimension if would do tours in Europe with his band and also play mythic halls on a later stage. His behaviour with his musicians could maybe has something to do with his childhood. His dad apparently didn't like him and did alot of mental abuse on him and his relatives. If I remember well Shora Mukoko or somebody else revealed that he even made a diss-song against his dad in Minzoto Wella. His whole music-career before TP Ok Jazz he went through deceptions and humilations. People often forget how hard it was for him to get a place in TP Ok Jazz. Before Non, Franco wasn't liking him, always insulting him (calling him big head) and said that he was a faux chanteur.
Franco had his moments. There were times that he would pay his musicians and give them alot of gifts (like buying cars for them) but there would also be period that he wouldn't pay them.
There were moments that Papa Wemba would pay his musicians. It was not that he was never paying them that's false. The problem was that he had to much musicians in his band and also alot of children and women. Plus the money they were getting although all succes in Kinshasa was not alot. So when he would get a huge amount for example the shows he gave at Cine Palladium in 1982 (when coming back from Europe after 6 months absence) he would give his musicians peannuts.
Koffi Olomidé was never Papa Wemba's musician. Koffi Olomidé used to collaborated with Papa Wemba and Viva la Musica for his singles. His first two singles Sango Ndambo and Asso were recorded by Pepe Felly Manuaku of Zaiko and his friends. He had normally to record with Papa Wemba on the lead. But Papa Wemba didn't show up (According late Verckys it was because he felt humilated that rumors were spread that the majority of his songs were written by Koffi Olomidé). So Verckys forced Koffi Olomidé to sing lead in the studio. After that he recorded also songs with Emeneya, Patcho Star and co of Viva la Musica without Wemba's permission which with those guys getting suspensed. Years later Emeneya would claim that he tought Koffi Olomidé to sing in these songs. It's after the succes of these songs Koffi started to record duets with Papa Wemba.
Koffi Olomidé wanted to come with something new in Congolese music. Seeing how his friends in bands like Viva la Musica and Zaiko were treated by bandleader, he wanted his band to be professional when creating Quartier Latin. All musicians that were part of his band to be paid. That's why he called it first "Quartier Latin Entreprise" before changing it in "Quartier Latin International" from the 90s.
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from 51:08 min Madilu was really evil how can you say something like that. I've never seen a former musician of his band saying something positive about him. It's always negative
Now you see why I said Madilu was ASS somewhile back. He was a jackass. Madilu should have been a solo artist.