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Title: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 16, 2024, 00:17
Today it’s 24 years ago that Werrason performed at Bercy.
 
Background.
 
After the succesful tour of 1999. Werrason was wondering where to perform for the next Europe-tour, he had still Olympia on his head, because of the missed opportunity in 1999, the anger of JB having performed there before him and how the press used to hype it months long on tv and the pressure from fans that year when not doing Olympia but Palais des Sports instead.


Just before performing at Stade des Martyrs in 2000, he decided to come with a public vote for his fans at Zamba Playa and them having to vote between Olympia, Zenith and Bercy. The majority voted for Bercy. In reality Werrason was a bit scared to do Bercy. He was despite the huge succes of Solola Bien wondering if he would be able to sell the venue out. In the meantime he would a short trip in Europe (London, Paris, Brussels) to give press-conferences to promote the event and later on fanclubs started to mobilize fans. In the same period Werrason gave succesful concerts in Gabon, Angola, Pointe Noire and different concerts in Kinshasa. His triumphal arrival in Luanda (Angola) surprised him, making him realize
 that his succes was not only in the Congo’s. He would sing about his triumphal in Luanda in the song Kibuisa Mpimpa

https://youtu.be/qlP_yj-vHyU?si=h2_zREyzjhW8FIbU

https://youtu.be/w_TiGDMgkxQ?si=FhnKcHoJLiLjd7pI

https://youtu.be/8Nxchba4Iu0?si=gsbxsyQN-79sNjiv

https://youtu.be/yiMuUQcQr-Y?si=1QskQ2Oii1RIDYS5

Although talking about Bercy, there was not a concertpromoter yet. Until Monsieur Yann, who already worked with other Congolese artists contacted Hugues Luvelela. Like late Jean Pierre Saah (JPS Production, Monsieur Yann was impressed about the old VHS of Werrason performing at Palais du Peuple. He wanted to let Werrason perform at Forest National in Brussels, but since that Maison Mere was looking for someone to produce them at Bercy, he said that it was better to plan it at Bercy, them meeing Werrason and set a date. It was first set for June, then July and later on they ended up by picking September 16. Them changing date made rumors being spread about old manager Claude Maluma wanting to block the concert, who was in conflict with both Werrason and JPS Production.

https://youtu.be/BRrmYvP3ZHs?si=VARvKHEThzoWdrj9


 In the period, that Werrason went to Europe for a series of press-conferences for his Bercy-show. Rumors in Kinshasa were spread about Fi Carré and Burkina Faso joining WMM. Who were apparently not happy for JB leaving them behind for the trip that was meant for the mixing of TH. Werrason claimed in interviews not to be aware of it. But WMM-donors would try to convince them and their family-members with money. Burkina Faso accepted the offer and they promised him a Mercedes, which he was meant to get for the TH-trip. Burkina Faso in return demanded to play the generique of Kibuisa Mpimpa. Burkina Faso joining created a lot of polemique and BCBG-fans being disappointed. But he would not stay long because of the promised car (staff and admin claiming that he would big headed, being already a difficult person to deal with). When coming back to Kinshasa from the trip, fans would keep calling him to ask about his car and it would become more, when singers like Ferre, Baby and co all got their cars. So during a rehearsal or concert, some a fan people him and to ask about the car, Burkina replying with a rude answer m and Werrason at some point having a engough and slapping him. This resulted in his departure and influential donors trying to reconcile them, but it didn’t work. Burkina Faso also sued Werrason for it and a whole case going on against Werrason, but it went nowhere.

https://youtu.be/iQhjfAl6viM?si=dN9tQSmhO_k6cu6u

 

The months between the release of Solola Bien and Bercy, there were several clashes between Maison Mere and BCBG on tv, which became even more after the release of TH. The confront JB Mpiana’s TH, Maison Mere supported Adricha Tipo Tipo who released his album HT (Haute Tension), which was backed by Wenge Maison Mere and had several guests (Werrason, King Kester Emeneya, Tabu Ley, etc.). The album title itself created alot of polemique. Before the release of HT. Bill and Celeo prepared several attacked against BCBG in their cri’s and also one against Tutu Calugi, who just before the release of TH, said that he stopped with animation and officially became a singer. Bill and Celeo claiming that they finished Calugi with “Mavondo azalaka lolendo kasi Kalonji Didier asukisa ye, mavondo azalaka kasi Kalonji Mac Donald asukisa ye. Ami benga benga number one….”, etc. The animations would end in the remix album of Intervention Rapide (Terrain Eza Miné) along with famous “Bana bazo Lia te” that had huge succes in concerts. In the same album, Bill also made a cri against TH, claiming that the album was a big flop, by remixing 1er Gaou line. When JB Mpiana released TH, musicians and spokesmen would often appear on TV claiming that their album failed also making signs with their hands that the album was nothing. Fans would also make the same signs, when TH was played in bars and nightclubs. “Qui rira le premier, rira le dernier ooh ya. Avant Kibuisa et Bercy ecouter Remix ooh. Ce a qui la faute soki disque na bino etuli ooh aah. Kasi biso to ningisaka !!! Ningana, ningana. Olandi nga na Tshiluba, na changer le coté ooh haa”. The remix album itself would get released towards the end of 2000, but could not equal the succes of Solola Bien nor fight TH


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUP_1PyJnY&pp=ygUfYWRyaWNoYSB0aXBvIHRpcG8gaGF1dGUgdGVuc2lvbg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKH4ra1qv_c&pp=ygUUV2VycmFzb24gdGVycmFpbiBlemE%3D


https://youtu.be/IvrBdf0XaPo?si=f65Bo1EQU7S4muXg

The rivalry of JB against Werrason was in 2000 at his highest point and producers like Damien Dimoneke decided to make comedy-movies about it (Ngai JB to Werra)

https://youtu.be/bP5RoXdelMQ?si=ncckQ-HdmuoH6KoA

 1 month before the concert at Bercy, Aimelia Lias who was approached by donor Didi Kinuani to join Wenge Maison Mere made declarations at the press that he would join them at Bercy. But when the concert came close, there were spread that he would rejoin Wenge BCBG. He denied and he accepted the offer, when being asked to it by journalists. However, years later he would admit that he accepted the offer and was close to rejoin, but not being happy how they said that he had first to talk with Titina and Mpela before meeting JB. In Kinshasa, Werrason would ask Ferre and Adjani their opinions about Aimelia’s recruitment. Both guys being against and Ferre still having bad memories for him in Wenge 4x4 and how he refused him to join Wenge BCBG. Compared to Patient Kusangila at Palais des Sports, Aimelia would not get a whole ceremony at Bercy

https://youtu.be/psdcuCLejOc?si=pmROUeBQPauLY3My

 
Before the event at Bercy, Werrason got in Kinshasa presented as UNESCO ambassador of peace, because of the work he done to help street-children (shegues). He would carry the title for his whole life hahahaha

https://youtu.be/9iwLRQiIqUE?si=zSNsFEJ4ihnnuPpw

 
The whole diaspora was in favor for the concert. Especially when they saw that Werrason helped shagues in the VHS of his concert at Stade des Martyrs and other videos where there were images how he later on set his foundation up that got supported by UNICEF. Like in  1999, he received a triumphal welcome in Paris and whole Chageau Rouge being in fire, when coming for his Bercy-show. He also got support for those who used to support JB in 1999 (Mere Malou, Mere Eve, Pepe Akundji), them joining the Maison Mere-camp.

When coming to the trip from Brazzaville to Paris. He sadly left behind 2 dancers (different rumors were spread about them not wanting to sleep with people that were part of the admi) and Patient Kusangila (who was victim of a stroke), Papy Kaniama who used to replace him also left behind. He was sure to travel since he was the main rhythm-guitarist and Japonais & Flamme sharing the solo-guitare role (later along with Burkina Faso). Patient Kusangila stroke created polemic. He received and stroke when performing in Dundo (Angola). When coming back to Kinshasa, newspapers that were pro-BCBG wrote articles about Werrason wanting to sacrifice Patient, etc. Patient Kusangila managed to recover and after months of rehabilitation, he was able to play guitare again. He thought that the group would bring him to Europe to continue his rehabilitation. But when coming to Brazzaville, he discovered that his effect pedals were stolen at Ngobila Beach and after staying at the hotel with the rest of the band, he discovered that the band traveled without him the next day and that a ngulu traveled with his passeport. It was a big deception from him and he felt betrayed after a weeks he managed to travel on his own to Europe and did one concert with them at La Madeleine, to leave them the following day.


 
Coming to the show. People came from everywhere (UK, Belgium, Germany, Italy, etc.). People claiming that even death people attended the concert. It was full of people and many saying that Werrason did better than Koffi. In the years coming, Werrason would lie for his concert at Bercy, that his crowd attence was a record setting at Bercy and that it was set in the book of “guinees record”hahahha. Those who were devoted Christians claimed that Werrason was possessed by spirits and would talk weeks long about it when the VHS came out, also talking about the Pende-statues who were on the stage. Koffi Olomidé would make jokes about those statues, which came through common friends in the ears of Werrason, who wasn’t pleased about the comments. After the succes of Bercy, Werrason staff wanted like Koffi a concert at Parc des Princes and them already talking about it. Compared to Koffi Olomidé, no French tv-channel or newspaper talked about the event of Werrason at Bercy while in Kinshasa he asked people to put the tv the following day, because they will see how they will talk about the event. While Koffi and JB atalaku’s would sing loudly about their succes at Bercy, Zénith and Olympia in their albums (TH, Attentat and Force de Frappe), Bill and Celeo wouldn’t do that in Werra’s album Kibuisa Mpimpa

https://youtu.be/_cLNVhKpiMw?si=L56KlmqqxLv0iiT_

 
When the VHS came out in October 2000, it sold as crazy, but many people started
critizing the sound (drum, bass, etc.) saying that it was not good and that the instruments-set weren’t on the level of Bercy. In the same period there rumors about Adolphe having left Maison Mere because of the way they locked him up in his lockerroom, stole his jacket which made him wear uniforms like Ferre, Bany and co and how Werrason did 12 on his towards the end of the show. The fanclubs and influent member tried to make them reconcile, also familymembers and Adolphe still stayed in the band, although tensions still being there. To calm him down, they released a volume 2, the following month (Adolphe complained, about the way they cut many parts of him singing or doing about to do solo-dance act off from volume 1). Towards the end of 2000, they released the live-album of Bercy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n61Z9fbjduI&t=81s&pp=ygUQd2VycmFzb24gYmVyY3kgMg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAiCKxt-R8M&t=10s&pp=ygURd2VycmFzb24gYmVyY3kgY2Q%3D

When Werrason performed at Bercy, his rival JB also performed, not forgetting how Werra tried to mess his show previous year at Zénith up, by planning the a concert the same day. JB wanted to seek for revenge and set planned a event at LSC the same day. It created polemic. People first thought that it was just to create buzz and they would end up by cancelling it later. But the BCBG-camp was serious and they arrived in Europe to do the concert. When coming to the concert, journalist were not allowed to film during the concert and only to interview the musicians before the show. Zacharie Bababaswe who was there for Werra’s show would manage to interview the musicians shortly before the show and also film the soundcheck. He sended both the soundcheck of LSC and parts of Werra’s Bercy to Kinshasa and people who saw the sound check claiming that JB did mpiaka at LSC. JB would have been mocked for weeks about it until that the VHS got released but it was already to late. The Maison Mere-camp itself spread rumors about the hall being empty and people starting believe because of the hype around Bercy and journalists and websites like Digitalcongo writing articles that JB Mpiana failed and not being able to equal Academia’s succes at LSC who performed there earlier that year. Because of that Zacharie Bababaswe who would present JB’s show the following month at the same LSC was forced by fans, to say that JB being the leader of the 4th generation. I will later the day write an article about the event around LSC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEZJTi0ew0&t=1308s&pp=ygUNSmIgbXBpYW5hIGxzYw%3D%3D
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16-09-2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 16, 2024, 02:08
Today it’s 24 years ago that Werrason performed at Bercy.
 
Background.
 
After the succesful tour of 1999. Werrason was wondering where to perform for the next Europe-tour, he had still Olympia on his head, because of the missed opportunity in 1999, the anger of JB having performed there before him and how the press used to hype it months long on tv and the pressure from fans that year when not doing Olympia but Palais des Sports instead.


Just before performing at Stade des Martyrs in 2000, he decided to come with a public vote for his fans at Zamba Playa and them having to vote between Olympia, Zenith and Bercy. The majority voted for Bercy. In reality Werrason was a bit scared to do Bercy. He was despite the huge succes of Solola Bien wondering if he would be able to sell the venue out. In the meantime he would a short trip in Europe (London, Paris, Brussels) to give press-conferences to promote the event and later on fanclubs started to mobilize fans. In the same period Werrason gave succesful concerts in Gabon, Angola, Pointe Noire and different concerts in Kinshasa. His triumphal arrival in Luanda (Angola) surprised him, making him realize
 that his succes was not only in the Congo’s. He would sing about his triumphal in Luanda in the song Kibuisa Mpimpa

https://youtu.be/qlP_yj-vHyU?si=h2_zREyzjhW8FIbU

https://youtu.be/w_TiGDMgkxQ?si=FhnKcHoJLiLjd7pI

https://youtu.be/8Nxchba4Iu0?si=gsbxsyQN-79sNjiv

https://youtu.be/yiMuUQcQr-Y?si=1QskQ2Oii1RIDYS5

Although talking about Bercy, there was not a concertpromoter yet. Until Monsieur Yann, who already worked with other Congolese artists contacted Hugues Luvelela. Like late Jean Pierre Saah (JPS Production, Monsieur Yann was impressed about the old VHS of Werrason performing at Palais du Peuple. He wanted to let Werrason perform at Forest National in Brussels, but since that Maison Mere was looking for someone to produce them at Bercy, he said that it was better to plan it at Bercy, them meeing Werrason and set a date. It was first set for June, then July and later on they ended up by picking September 16. Them changing date made rumors being spread about old manager Claude Maluma wanting to block the concert, who was in conflict with both Werrason and JPS Production.

https://youtu.be/BRrmYvP3ZHs?si=VARvKHEThzoWdrj9


 In the period, that Werrason went to Europe for a series of press-conferences for his Bercy-show. Rumors in Kinshasa were spread about Fi Carré and Burkina Faso joining WMM. Who were apparently not happy for JB leaving them behind for the trip that was meant for the mixing of TH. Werrason claimed in interviews not to be aware of it. But WMM-donors would try to convince them and their family-members with money. Burkina Faso accepted the offer and they promised him a Mercedes, which he was meant to get for the TH-trip. Burkina Faso in return demanded to play the generique of Kibuisa Mpimpa. Burkina Faso joining created a lot of polemique and BCBG-fans being disappointed. But he would not stay long because of the promised car (staff and admin claiming that he would big headed, being already a difficult person to deal with). When coming back to Kinshasa from the trip, fans would keep calling him to ask about his car and it would become more, when singers like Ferre, Baby and co all got their cars. So during a rehearsal or concert, some a fan people him and to ask about the car, Burkina replying with a rude answer m and Werrason at some point having a engough and slapping him. This resulted in his departure and influential donors trying to reconcile them, but it didn’t work. Burkina Faso also sued Werrason for it and a whole case going on against Werrason, but it went nowhere.

https://youtu.be/iQhjfAl6viM?si=dN9tQSmhO_k6cu6u

 

The months between the release of Solola Bien and Bercy, there were several clashes between Maison Mere and BCBG on tv, which became even more after the release of TH. The confront JB Mpiana’s TH, Maison Mere supported Adricha Tipo Tipo who released his album HT (Haute Tension), which was backed by Wenge Maison Mere and had several guests (Werrason, King Kester Emeneya, Tabu Ley, etc.). The album title itself created alot of polemique. Before the release of HT. Bill and Celeo prepared several attacked against BCBG in their cri’s and also one against Tutu Calugi, who just before the release of TH, said that he stopped with animation and officially became a singer. Bill and Celeo claiming that they finished Calugi with “Mavondo azalaka lolendo kasi Kalonji Didier asukisa ye, mavondo azalaka kasi Kalonji Mac Donald asukisa ye. Ami benga benga number one….”, etc. The animations would end in the remix album of Intervention Rapide (Terrain Eza Miné) along with famous “Bana bazo Lia te” that had huge succes in concerts. In the same album, Bill also made a cri against TH, claiming that the album was a big flop, by remixing 1er Gaou line. When JB Mpiana released TH, musicians and spokesmen would often appear on TV claiming that their album failed also making signs with their hands that the album was nothing. Fans would also make the same signs, when TH was played in bars and nightclubs. “Qui rira le premier, rira le dernier ooh ya. Avant Kibuisa et Bercy ecouter Remix ooh. Ce a qui la faute soki disque na bino etuli ooh aah. Kasi biso to ningisaka !!! Ningana, ningana. Olandi nga na Tshiluba, na changer le coté ooh haa”. The remix album itself would get released towards the end of 2000, but could not equal the succes of Solola Bien nor fight TH


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUP_1PyJnY&pp=ygUfYWRyaWNoYSB0aXBvIHRpcG8gaGF1dGUgdGVuc2lvbg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKH4ra1qv_c&pp=ygUUV2VycmFzb24gdGVycmFpbiBlemE%3D


https://youtu.be/IvrBdf0XaPo?si=f65Bo1EQU7S4muXg

The rivalry of JB against Werrason was in 2000 at his highest point and producers like Damien Dimoneke decided to make comedy-movies about it (Ngai JB to Werra)

https://youtu.be/bP5RoXdelMQ?si=ncckQ-HdmuoH6KoA

 1 month before the concert at Bercy, Aimelia Lias who was approached by donor Didi Kinuani to join Wenge Maison Mere made declarations at the press that he would join them at Bercy. But when the concert came close, there were spread that he would rejoin Wenge BCBG. He denied and he accepted the offer, when being asked to it by journalists. However, years later he would admit that he accepted the offer and was close to rejoin, but not being happy how they said that he had first to talk with Titina and Mpela before meeting JB. In Kinshasa, Werrason would ask Ferre and Adjani their opinions about Aimelia’s recruitment. Both guys being against and Ferre still having bad memories for him in Wenge 4x4 and how he refused him to join Wenge BCBG. Compared to Patient Kusangila at Palais des Sports, Aimelia would not get a whole ceremony at Bercy

https://youtu.be/psdcuCLejOc?si=pmROUeBQPauLY3My

 
Before the event at Bercy, Werrason got in Kinshasa presented as UNESCO ambassador of peace, because of the work he done to help street-children (shegues). He would carry the title for his whole life hahahaha

https://youtu.be/9iwLRQiIqUE?si=zSNsFEJ4ihnnuPpw

 
The whole diaspora was in favor for the concert. Especially when they saw that Werrason helped shagues in the VHS of his concert at Stade des Martyrs and other videos where there were images how he later on set his foundation up that got supported by UNICEF. Like in  1999, he received a triumphal welcome in Paris and whole Chageau Rouge being in fire, when coming for his Bercy-show. He also got support for those who used to support JB in 1999 (Mere Malou, Mere Eve, Pepe Akundji), them joining the Maison Mere-camp.

When coming to the trip from Brazzaville to Paris. He sadly left behind 2 dancers (different rumors were spread about them not wanting to sleep with people that were part of the admi) and Patient Kusangila (who was victim of a stroke), Papy Kaniama who used to replace him also left behind. He was sure to travel since he was the main rhythm-guitarist and Japonais & Flamme sharing the solo-guitare role (later along with Burkina Faso). Patient Kusangila stroke created polemic. He received and stroke when performing in Dundo (Angola). When coming back to Kinshasa, newspapers that were pro-BCBG wrote articles about Werrason wanting to sacrifice Patient, etc. Patient Kusangila managed to recover and after months of rehabilitation, he was able to play guitare again. He thought that the group would bring him to Europe to continue his rehabilitation. But when coming to Brazzaville, he discovered that his effect pedals were stolen at Ngobila Beach and after staying at the hotel with the rest of the band, he discovered that the band traveled without him the next day and that a ngulu traveled with his passeport. It was a big deception from him and he felt betrayed after a weeks he managed to travel on his own to Europe and did one concert with them at La Madeleine, to leave them the following day.


 
Coming to the show. People came from everywhere (UK, Belgium, Germany, Italy, etc.). People claiming that even death people attended the concert. It was full of people and many saying that Werrason did better than Koffi. In the years coming, Werrason would lie for his concert at Bercy, that his crowd attence was a record setting at Bercy and that it was set in the book of “guinees record”hahahha. Those who were devoted Christians claimed that Werrason was possessed by spirits and would talk weeks long about it when the VHS came out, also talking about the Pende-statues who were on the stage. Koffi Olomidé would make jokes about those statues, which came through common friends in the ears of Werrason, who wasn’t pleased about the comments. After the succes of Bercy, Werrason staff wanted like Koffi a concert at Parc des Princes and them already talking about it. Compared to Koffi Olomidé, no French tv-channel or newspaper talked about the event of Werrason at Bercy while in Kinshasa he asked people to put the tv the following day, because they will see how they will talk about the event. While Koffi and JB atalaku’s would sing loudly about their succes at Bercy, Zénith and Olympia in their albums (TH, Attentat and Force de Frappe), Bill and Celeo wouldn’t do that in Werra’s album Kibuisa Mpimpa

https://youtu.be/_cLNVhKpiMw?si=L56KlmqqxLv0iiT_

 
When the VHS came out in October 2000, it sold as crazy, but many people started
critizing the sound (drum, bass, etc.) saying that it was not good and that the instruments-set weren’t on the level of Bercy. In the same period there rumors about Adolphe having left Maison Mere because of the way they locked him up in his lockerroom, stole his jacket which made him wear uniforms like Ferre, Bany and co and how Werrason did 12 on his towards the end of the show. The fanclubs and influent member tried to make them reconcile, also familymembers and Adolphe still stayed in the band, although tensions still being there. To calm him down, they released a volume 2, the following month (Adolphe complained, about the way they cut many parts of him singing or doing about to do solo-dance act off from volume 1). Towards the end of 2000, they released the live-album of Bercy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n61Z9fbjduI&t=81s&pp=ygUQd2VycmFzb24gYmVyY3kgMg%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAiCKxt-R8M&t=10s&pp=ygURd2VycmFzb24gYmVyY3kgY2Q%3D

When Werrason performed at Bercy, his rival JB also performed, not forgetting how Werra tried to mess his show previous year at Zénith up, by planning the a concert the same day. JB wanted to seek for revenge and set planned a event at LSC the same day. It created polemic. People first thought that it was just to create buzz and they would end up by cancelling it later. But the BCBG-camp was serious and they arrived in Europe to do the concert. When coming to the concert, journalist were not allowed to film during the concert and only to interview the musicians before the show. Zacharie Bababaswe who was there for Werra’s show would manage to interview the musicians shortly before the show and also film the soundcheck. He sended both the soundcheck of LSC and parts of Werra’s Bercy to Kinshasa and people who saw the sound check claiming that JB did mpiaka at LSC. JB would have been mocked for weeks about it until that the VHS got released but it was already to late. The Maison Mere-camp itself spread rumors about the hall being empty and people starting believe because of the hype around Bercy and journalists and websites like Digitalcongo writing articles that JB Mpiana failed and not being able to equal Academia’s succes at LSC who performed there earlier that year. Because of that Zacharie Bababaswe who would present JB’s show the following month at the same LSC was forced by fans, to say that JB being the leader of the 4th generation. I will later the day write an article about the event around LSC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEZJTi0ew0&t=1308s&pp=ygUNSmIgbXBpYW5hIGxzYw%3D%3D

I guess with they didn't need Papy Kaniama for Bercy with Japonais, Burkina, and Flamme. Speaking of which, Papy Kaniama had an opportunity to travel to Europe with Tonya Tonya. Dude was super unlucky
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16-09-2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 16, 2024, 12:40
Papy Kaniama went to Europe just before Wenge Tonya Tonya went on Europe. His friend Dakumuda brought him there, thinking about all the time he spended in Laviniora Esthetique before joining Clan Wenge. Tonya Tonya did all concerts without Papy until he got contacted to participate to their last concert which was at Olympia.
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16-09-2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 17, 2024, 02:26
This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't consider this Bercy a sole Werrason concert I look at it more like a Maison Mere concert because Adolphe was still there and he was still equal to Werra. I still can't believe they left him lying down on stage at the end of the show. 
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16-09-2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 17, 2024, 09:29
This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't consider this Bercy a sole Werrason concert I look at it more like a Maison Mere concert because Adolphe was still there and he was still equal to Werra. I still can't believe they left him lying down on stage at the end of the show.

They really did him dirty. Ferre and co running away and Werrason starting to receive all important fans and donors on stage. You must see the face of Mere Malou, when seeing Adolphe lying on the ground while she also wanted to greet him. At the same time you can see Adolphe looking around him, don't understanding why all the singers left him alone.


It is weird why Adolphe still decided to stay, other people would have decided to leave immediately after such humiliation. It must be the intervention of fanclubs like when they did Villejuif and them reconciling Werrason and Didier Masela who already left.
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16-09-2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 17, 2024, 09:58
This might be an unpopular opinion but I don't consider this Bercy a sole Werrason concert I look at it more like a Maison Mere concert because Adolphe was still there and he was still equal to Werra. I still can't believe they left him lying down on stage at the end of the show.

You made me remind of Adolphe's old interviews often saying that Bercy was in fact two concerts, Wenge Maison Mere and Wenge Tonya Tonya. "Orchestre ezalaki yaye te" hahahaha
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: archos on September 17, 2024, 17:15
loool i heard recently that werra's guys( biblos and co) tried to steal tata's passport so that he does not make the trip,in the group they were fearing that celeo kapaya lacoste and a couple other would follow adolphe as adolphe was already talking about affaire a tonya tonya,which was meant to be his album done with maison mere after kibuisa,and he wanted to quickly follow after because he literally had more songs than nsone at the start(werra had removed the full kibens songs to avoid that bcbg says something in their polemic so he had to call shella senado and co in emergency to replace them,the famous cassette heritier brags about for being the man behind over half of the vocals of the album because it was songs rehearsed at werra's home and done by mainly him and mabialo) so they had to do a 12 on him to block his way to materializing things quicker especially as he was already pissing them off by refusing to be a complete number 2 like blaise was doing on the other side
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 17, 2024, 17:35
I forgot to add, so at Bercy people excepted that Werrason would receive a gold record for Solola Bien since it was the biggest succes of the 2000's first semester, but it didn't happen and many fans being surprised. It made people question Koffi's gold record for Attentat even more and people confirming the theory that it was a fake one. In the months that followed different articles were written that it didn't happen because of Didier Massela not being there and that it had to be handed to all the 3 leaders (Werrason, Adolphe Dominguez and Didier Massela). But on the end, Werrason still ended up by receiving it during his 'Double Zenith' event.


Because of not having a professional stage like Koffi, those who were against Werrason said that Bercy was not that full like they claimed, because of having empty chairs behind the stage, not understanding the concept of Europe where you can't sit behind the stage like stadium-concerts in Congo. Patcho Panda who was later interviewed by Alimia Mongala then claimed that people used to be there, but decided to go in front of the stage lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHqp8557Lj8&t=3780s

from 1:00:36 min

Also rumors being spread that Koffi (who earlier that year reconciled with Werrason after being cold with him for 1 year) was not happy for Werra's Bercy and started to talk bad about him and the show, but the affair was quickly occulted and most people thinking that they were still cool with each other
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 17, 2024, 17:37
loool i heard recently that werra's guys( biblos and co) tried to steal tata's passport so that he does not make the trip,in the group they were fearing that celeo kapaya lacoste and a couple other would follow adolphe as adolphe was already talking about affaire a tonya tonya,which was meant to be his album done with maison mere after kibuisa,and he wanted to quickly follow after because he literally had more songs than nsone at the start(werra had removed the full kibens songs to avoid that bcbg says something in their polemic so he had to call shella senado and co in emergency to replace them,the famous cassette heritier brags about for being the man behind over half of the vocals of the album because it was songs rehearsed at werra's home and done by mainly him and mabialo) so they had to do a 12 on him to block his way to materializing things quicker especially as he was already pissing them off by refusing to be a complete number 2 like blaise was doing on the other side

So what Adolphe used to claim after his departure, that it was meant to record Affaire Tonya Tonya on the same trip of Bercy/Kibuisa was true ?
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: archos on September 18, 2024, 17:17
Yes,back when they had started maison mere and adolphe was "president" they had agreed that after their two first group albums they'd do werra's,then tata,then didier in quick succession so tata wanted to record his album in the same time so that he releases later,tata used to give the example of loi and ultimatum the same year,but years after werra wanting to get rid of adolphe made it clear to the musicians that whoever is heard in another session than the kibuisa ones is in trouble(part of the secret pre-record they did in kinshasa was re used in the kuma kukiele album of jacko)
thats why celeo was late in participating in kibuisa werra was fearing that he'd follow tata so he was not sure until late wasenga insisted that celeo had to do his parts because bill already did his which were like 95 per cent of the animation of the album
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 18, 2024, 23:28
Last thing I wanted to add about the story of Bercy. Is about when they performed Chantal.
So before singing Chantal. Adolphe introduced the song by repeating (Chan-tal-euh, chan-tal-euh,..) 4x and the public doing the same thing. Werrason came in with a horse. But Adolphe took his water bottle and suddenly threw water towards the horse with Werrason replying “mayi te, mayi te”. After the concert, people of the staff would talk about the moment and claim that it was done on purpose to let Werrason fall.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C7il68HNlcY&pp=ygUZYmVyY3kgY2hhbnRhbCBzd2l0c2VybGFuZA%3D%3D


Before starting singing, Werrason would interact with the audience and then make the mistake by asking “ya un Chantal ici ?” Instead of “Ya une Chantal ici?”. When the cassette of the concert came out, “intellectuals” would say that it was a disgrace to see a bandleader making such language mistake on a big event like Bercy. Adolphe would after his departure use that make to make fun about it in the start of the generique Complot, by saying “sia erreur grave, ya un francoise ic” with a big laughter as reponse

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0cAdNiK4fc&pp=ygUPYWRvbHBoZSBjb21wbG90

There was also another incident. After singing the hitsong Vita-Imana, which confirmed Ferre’s fame. Ferre Gola ordering all singers to not give the mic to Aimelia, who would get presented by Werrason to the public as new member. When Werra asked about a mic, Lacoste ended up by giving it, which was seen as a kind of betrayal by the rest of singers who stood with Ferre. Aimelia would have a hard time in his first months within Maison Mere with only Celeo and Lacoste teaming up with him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V46p3TgZyCw&pp=ygUNQWltZWxpYSBiZXJjeQ%3D%3D
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: Mfumu Vata on September 18, 2024, 23:31
Yes,back when they had started maison mere and adolphe was "president" they had agreed that after their two first group albums they'd do werra's,then tata,then didier in quick succession so tata wanted to record his album in the same time so that he releases later,tata used to give the example of loi and ultimatum the same year,but years after werra wanting to get rid of adolphe made it clear to the musicians that whoever is heard in another session than the kibuisa ones is in trouble(part of the secret pre-record they did in kinshasa was re used in the kuma kukiele album of jacko)
thats why celeo was late in participating in kibuisa werra was fearing that he'd follow tata so he was not sure until late wasenga insisted that celeo had to do his parts because bill already did his which were like 95 per cent of the animation of the album
In a cassette which was kind like a documentary/reality show about Adolphe Dominguez, you could see an extract of Adolphe promoting Maison Mere’s Stade des Martyrs and saying that they would sing the song Calendrier. In the same video you could see him with some guys (including Shella Mputu) sing the song Do which came out in Mouna and a song dedicated to his wife Guy-Guy Kuurne that came out as a bonus-track in the Fara Fara ‘Unite Congolaise’ compilation, being released under the name Psaumes 123. The video used to be on INA Congo’s closed channel. Talking about INA Congo, I saw that a few videos got deleted, JB’s VIP Palais du Peuple, Zaiko’s concert à la Mutualite ‘90, BCBG’s New Year Eve 1999 concert in Abidjan and the VHS of JB Mpiana just after TH’s release (French embassasy, Kilimanjaro, rehearsal at Mulhouse, etc.). That must be tiring, taking hours to upload videos and them seeing deleted after a few months. But the same producers doing that, not being able to create channels to put them there nor being in possession anymore of these videos

https://youtu.be/QjuoXbnyL80?si=eHcF1c92_GcAi9Pk

https://youtu.be/cODCRVRXglg?si=4IHtTOic1v-Fb29Y

Yeah, Kuma Kukiele was  in fact a preview of Affaire Tonya Tonya. Adolphe was already hitting in that album about his departure and throwing little shots. I remember that 5/6 years ago, Didier Lacoste said that it was meant that Celeo, Flamme, Japonais, Adjani and Ferre Gola also participate, but they didn’t show up and them having scammed Jacko Sayala, who already paid them

https://youtu.be/Y7nVvq8cV3s?si=PQZPuDDQgr0qNb-N

What a missed opportunity. The songs on Affaire Tonya Tonya were good (Calendrier, Chez Ntemba, Guy Onangou, etc.). Imagine how it would be if it was recorded with Maison Mere’s dream team. It would have been a classic album, not saying that the version with Wenge T.T. was bad. We would have that effect of Empire Bakuba, when Pepe Kalle first released Diviser par Deux and Papy Tex a few months later Mamie Music Clarification, who were both bangers. It is so sad that Werrason didn’t want to accept it. The same for JB Mpiana with Blaise Bula, who didn’t want to him to record Ponderation 8. Imagine Ponderation 8 with Titina, Makaba, Burkina Faso, Calugi, Alba, Aimelia and co
He could have recorded it secretly in Europe with session musicians, if he accepted Mbuta Kis’ offer to still come with them to Zénith. The question is of it would still have the same impact as the Ndiaye version.

https://youtu.be/HiZhg39dC4g?si=dXM3R4eqIb_jiPqc


People can say all what they want about Adolphe, but to be honest, I used to like the duo Werra-Tata a lot and it was like they were made for each other. Back in the days when I was looking to the cassettes of the concerts after Adolphe departure, I was missing him, because there wasn’t someone anymore who could take off his clothes, doing those edingwe-antics and jumping in the public. He was a real show man. Imagine how Double Zénith would be with Adolphe

https://youtu.be/FmvIwMDSv_s?si=ksRkENfrGwB67P7Y
Title: Re: (16/09/2000-16/09/2024) 24 years ago Werrason at Bercy
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 19, 2024, 11:45
Jb and Werra were really stupid for not accepting both Blaise and Adolphe to record a solo album in both groups respectively. It would’ve made the rivalry between bcbg and maison mère more fierce and historic because then it would be a debate about who had the better album out of the number twos Blaise and Adolphe, because there was already the debate on which group album was better, which solo album between Jb and Werra.
Blaise as well should’ve just accepted to go to Zenith but I understand why he said no because it would’ve been too centered around Jb.
The Adolphe and Werra duo was so underrated I really liked their entrance at palais du peuple and their comedic antics at concerts even in the force d’intervention rapide clips they had a lot of chemistry.