Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on November 22, 2025, 15:30
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i am not finding the right link because it seems nsone did several interviews in the same week but for a rare time he stepped out of "silence du chef" and openly admitted there was crisis in the clan when asked about the 4X4 project,he said it was agreed that him and jb's career had schedule priority and once they'd release albums or song there would be time for the project but then disagreements started early from the fact the 4 admins would have songs,(then small disagreement around the fact jb and werra wanted to feature ferre and heritier in their songs),whith blaise and tata then not getting songs,then the influent band members(titina mpela aimelia patient ficarre which are like the big 5 outside the 6 main guys) also wanting an opportunity
but in the long run like werra indirectly said it the tensions around him blaise tata and jb which have blocked the project advancing,but he said it was a great project and he hoped that they'll restart it at some point
loool the guy who kills me in all that crisis is makaba man just has not changed,once there is drama either he just completely isolates or he steps in with strong action there is no middle with him
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Why would Blaise and Tata not get songs? That is the dumbest idea ever in every single 4x4 album they’ve had songs so that doesn’t make sense, they both have the right to be angry especially Adolphe because every single song he released in the albums have been classics. Oh for goodness sake what’s with Werra being obsessed with forcing Heritier down our throats? he wasn’t even a member of Wenge 4x4 so there’s no need for him to feature in the project.
They should’ve done the project in 2022
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Why would Blaise and Tata not get songs? That is the dumbest idea ever in every single 4x4 album they’ve had songs so that doesn’t make sense, they both have the right to be angry especially Adolphe because every single song he released in the albums have been classics. Oh for goodness sake what’s with Werra being obsessed with forcing Heritier down our throats? he wasn’t even a member of Wenge 4x4 so there’s no need for him to feature in the project.
They should’ve done the project in 2022
Werra forcing Heritier on us is to have a son(musically speaking) to openly brag about as he was a product of Maison Mere unlike Ferre.
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Honestly, a 4×4 reunion should be members from Kin É Bougé until Pentagone. I love Ferre, but he never sang on any album of Wenge. As far as actual history goes, he cemented his name under Masion Mere just like his little brother, Heritier.
I'm even surprised Heritier has the courage to ask for a role on the album, because Ferre performed with Wenge 4×4 back in 1996/97 at the very least.
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Seems we have decided to forget that in the original post by @archos he mentions Werra saying he wanted both Ferre and Heritier. In fact Ferre’s name is mentioned first. But for the agenda to
agend the Werra-bashing clan are in full mode isolating only Heritier and running with it.
May be unrelated but it’s funny how selective we are:Any time Werra seems to suggest he wants to keep Heritier close and vice versa or both of them visit the other, we bash Werrason for rubbing Heritier in our faces or Heritier for failing to detach from Werrason. However, we keep praying for a duet between Koffi and Fally, or we applaud when Metrau goes back to
JB as a wonderful move. Or Tutu Kaludji going back to JB. Can someone school me on the logic behind this reasoning? Why are we alright with former members cosying up to former bandleaders but for Heritier and Werra we are always up the wall?
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Seems we have decided to forget that in the original post by @archos he mentions Werra saying he wanted both Ferre and Heritier. In fact Ferre’s name is mentioned first. But for the agenda to
agend the Werra-bashing clan are in full mode isolating only Heritier and running with it.
May be unrelated but it’s funny how selective we are:Any time Werra seems to suggest he wants to keep Heritier close and vice versa or both of them visit the other, we bash Werrason for rubbing Heritier in our faces or Heritier for failing to detach from Werrason. However, we keep praying for a duet between Koffi and Fally, or we applaud when Metrau goes back to
JB as a wonderful move. Or Tutu Kaludji going back to JB. Can someone school me on the logic behind this reasoning? Why are we alright with former members cosying up to former bandleaders but for Heritier and Werra we are always up the wall?
Because Werra does everything out of petty and bitterness.
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Seems we have decided to forget that in the original post by @archos he mentions Werra saying he wanted both Ferre and Heritier. In fact Ferre’s name is mentioned first. But for the agenda to
agend the Werra-bashing clan are in full mode isolating only Heritier and running with it.
May be unrelated but it’s funny how selective we are:Any time Werra seems to suggest he wants to keep Heritier close and vice versa or both of them visit the other, we bash Werrason for rubbing Heritier in our faces or Heritier for failing to detach from Werrason. However, we keep praying for a duet between Koffi and Fally, or we applaud when Metrau goes back to
JB as a wonderful move. Or Tutu Kaludji going back to JB. Can someone school me on the logic behind this reasoning? Why are we alright with former members cosying up to former bandleaders but for Heritier and Werra we are always up the wall?
Because Werra does everything out of petty and bitterness.
Is he that bad? I know Koffi may be worse than him but doesn’t get as much bile here
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Seems we have decided to forget that in the original post by @archos he mentions Werra saying he wanted both Ferre and Heritier. In fact Ferre’s name is mentioned first. But for the agenda to
agend the Werra-bashing clan are in full mode isolating only Heritier and running with it.
May be unrelated but it’s funny how selective we are:Any time Werra seems to suggest he wants to keep Heritier close and vice versa or both of them visit the other, we bash Werrason for rubbing Heritier in our faces or Heritier for failing to detach from Werrason. However, we keep praying for a duet between Koffi and Fally, or we applaud when Metrau goes back to
JB as a wonderful move. Or Tutu Kaludji going back to JB. Can someone school me on the logic behind this reasoning? Why are we alright with former members cosying up to former bandleaders but for Heritier and Werra we are always up the wall?
Because Werra does everything out of petty and bitterness.
Is he that bad? I know Koffi may be worse than him but doesn’t get as much bile here
Aren’t you the same one that always complains when Koffi gets criticised here and now you’re saying Koffi doesn’t get it here, make up your mind. Plus it’s not that serious for you to always get upset when Werra and Koffi get “bashed” here it’s not like you know them personally.
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in my case i have no problem with werra being very close to heritier,in fact i am happy for them because among the three big names of the "young leaders" they are the ones that have a real father son relationship,the two others have more of big brother/strong mentor thing
however,where the issue comes with heritier's case is that its often used for pettyness,as if for example koffi took lets say bouro and decides to overglaze him to wind up fally
and the other point i raise about him and werra is that it gives him a "still taken by the hand" image in a context where his rivals are so emancipated that their opinion can weigh a lot towards their ex leaders,i dont know for others but personally when i say this its not a dig at werra at all,i fault mainly the communication werra's guys do around it,and same for the camp of heritier they can be very cool without drama around
i think where some people are annoyed with it is werra's silence,as i said when starting the topic "for once he stepped out of his silence",because people know that maison mere operate with 12,they consider that his silence means he is behind pulling the strings,especially as it coincide with heritier falling out with ferre all of a sudden
so i think werra is judged like that because he is expected to be the peacemaker as the father between them instead of supposedly siding with one
if you want to understand my point without making it personal about werra,look at the comments under the videos of the ex quartier latin guys who are coming back towards koffi you'll see that every single of them is attacked and accused of being used to attack fally,for the simple reason that they come to praise koffi then dont give fally the full glazing they expect and they tell him he has to respect koffi and stuff like that
exactly the same thing people complain about with the werra ferre heritier triangle
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The problem with Heritier is when he first went solo he was fine and humble and doing well but as soon as he reconciled with Werra he suddenly turned on Ferre, Celeo and all those that weren’t 100% with Werra, which lies the problem with him potentially participating in the album. The guy will end up boasting even more cause he already is known for his arrogance. We’ve had so many duets with Werra and Heritier I don’t know if I necessarily need it.
It would be nice to have Ferre on there but at the same time it might not be necessary either.
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Seems we have decided to forget that in the original post by @archos he mentions Werra saying he wanted both Ferre and Heritier. In fact Ferre’s name is mentioned first. But for the agenda to
agend the Werra-bashing clan are in full mode isolating only Heritier and running with it.
May be unrelated but it’s funny how selective we are:Any time Werra seems to suggest he wants to keep Heritier close and vice versa or both of them visit the other, we bash Werrason for rubbing Heritier in our faces or Heritier for failing to detach from Werrason. However, we keep praying for a duet between Koffi and Fally, or we applaud when Metrau goes back to
JB as a wonderful move. Or Tutu Kaludji going back to JB. Can someone school me on the logic behind this reasoning? Why are we alright with former members cosying up to former bandleaders but for Heritier and Werra we are always up the wall?
Because Werra does everything out of petty and bitterness.
Is he that bad? I know Koffi may be worse than him but doesn’t get as much bile here
Aren’t you the same one that always complains when Koffi gets criticised here and now you’re saying Koffi doesn’t get it here, make up your mind. Plus it’s not that serious for you to always get upset when Werra and Koffi get “bashed” here it’s not like you know them personally.
I think complain is a strong word. I only point out inconsistencies. And if you had not taken it personal you would have noticed that I always try to understand whenever any of the ‘big’ artists are getting some subjective flak. I do it with Koffi, Werra, Heritier, Ferre etc. The only reason you rarely see me ask about JB or Fally is because they are never criticized here much same reason it may seem am leaning towards Werra is because not a week passes before he is in our crosshairs. And @archos’s answer below yours was quite helpful because he has answered the question with maturity and much sense. Take a leaf from his book next time. And for what it’s worth, Werrason is not even in my top two favorite artists from DRC so that context may be useful next time we discuss Werra
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in my case i have no problem with werra being very close to heritier,in fact i am happy for them because among the three big names of the "young leaders" they are the ones that have a real father son relationship,the two others have more of big brother/strong mentor thing
however,where the issue comes with heritier's case is that its often used for pettyness,as if for example koffi took lets say bouro and decides to overglaze him to wind up fally
and the other point i raise about him and werra is that it gives him a "still taken by the hand" image in a context where his rivals are so emancipated that their opinion can weigh a lot towards their ex leaders,i dont know for others but personally when i say this its not a dig at werra at all,i fault mainly the communication werra's guys do around it,and same for the camp of heritier they can be very cool without drama around
i think where some people are annoyed with it is werra's silence,as i said when starting the topic "for once he stepped out of his silence",because people know that maison mere operate with 12,they consider that his silence means he is behind pulling the strings,especially as it coincide with heritier falling out with ferre all of a sudden
so i think werra is judged like that because he is expected to be the peacemaker as the father between them instead of supposedly siding with one
if you want to understand my point without making it personal about werra,look at the comments under the videos of the ex quartier latin guys who are coming back towards koffi you'll see that every single of them is attacked and accused of being used to attack fally,for the simple reason that they come to praise koffi then dont give fally the full glazing they expect and they tell him he has to respect koffi and stuff like that
exactly the same thing people complain about with the werra ferre heritier triangle
Thank you, this is the point I was going to make
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The problem with Heritier is when he first went solo he was fine and humble and doing well but as soon as he reconciled with Werra he suddenly turned on Ferre, Celeo and all those that weren’t 100% with Werra, which lies the problem with him potentially participating in the album. The guy will end up boasting even more cause he already is known for his arrogance. We’ve had so many duets with Werra and Heritier I don’t know if I necessarily need it.
It would be nice to have Ferre on there but at the same time it might not be necessary either.
Ferre won’t gain anything from Wenge’s album, only Heritier will. Ferre is bigger than the whole Wenge, plan and simple.
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in my case i have no problem with werra being very close to heritier,in fact i am happy for them because among the three big names of the "young leaders" they are the ones that have a real father son relationship,the two others have more of big brother/strong mentor thing
however,where the issue comes with heritier's case is that its often used for pettyness,as if for example koffi took lets say bouro and decides to overglaze him to wind up fally
and the other point i raise about him and werra is that it gives him a "still taken by the hand" image in a context where his rivals are so emancipated that their opinion can weigh a lot towards their ex leaders,i dont know for others but personally when i say this its not a dig at werra at all,i fault mainly the communication werra's guys do around it,and same for the camp of heritier they can be very cool without drama around
i think where some people are annoyed with it is werra's silence,as i said when starting the topic "for once he stepped out of his silence",because people know that maison mere operate with 12,they consider that his silence means he is behind pulling the strings,especially as it coincide with heritier falling out with ferre all of a sudden
so i think werra is judged like that because he is expected to be the peacemaker as the father between them instead of supposedly siding with one
if you want to understand my point without making it personal about werra,look at the comments under the videos of the ex quartier latin guys who are coming back towards koffi you'll see that every single of them is attacked and accused of being used to attack fally,for the simple reason that they come to praise koffi then dont give fally the full glazing they expect and they tell him he has to respect koffi and stuff like that
exactly the same thing people complain about with the werra ferre heritier triangle
Is almost every issue in DRC music scene always interpreted in terms of polemic? For example Werra being quiet and then the assumption is that he is pulling strings. Could it be that he hasn’t done anything and Heritier decides to beef with Ferre on his own? And Werrason decides not to intervene as ‘peacemaker’ for which accusing him could be quite unfair. Former QL members are also tearing each other at times and Mopao doesn’t intervene so I guess two wrongs do not make a right but stilll……
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yep brother,people in DRC analyse EVERYTHING,you can just post a 2 seconds video and people will make an hour of deduction from it,its crazy
imagine we have people convinced jb's daughter got married to counter werra's and people are comparing both parties,make it make sense and having weird digs at their parents
while its just the two most famous children until didi went into model life and celebrity having their normal evolution
i am with you on your point,but then again as i said people do polemic for everything even if there is some peace people will still finding something to discuss,and unfortunately it pleases our musicians aswell so it will continue
as a reverse to the criticism werra is getting there,you have for example jb aswell who catches strays for blaise and tata and their issues with werra,or when he was cool with ferre and wata before wata came back home,he was being accused of almost putting the words in wata's mouth
there always has to be villains left right center