Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on December 31, 2013, 01:56
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gnOxXlSxFhE
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That Mokili Mbongo dance :)
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I don't know if its only me that is getting too used to Genta's voice, I don't see anything new here. I still love Koffi comes to surprises.
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its normal to be used to his voice,the "poor" guy does 99 per cent of the work due to lack of a strong 2nd atalaku
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Beside the wonderful rhythm from Zygal from Min 3.40 there is nothing impressive about this,too boring for my liking and if it doesn't impress in concert then it definitely won't when recorded in studio as usually live versions are better. Genta is overworked, there is 4 or 5 atalukus on stage but the rest of them are doing fuckall,sometimes I see the reason why Werrason puts his musicians to the test in front of the fans, sometimes musicians get too comfortable when they've been in a group for many years.
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That is why they say JB survives by his voice but he is slowly being forgotten by many including me. His last was kipe yayo. Genta, is tired and needs to retire. JB needs to critically consider his fans to pick a succesor to take over genta. Segiun, kibense n Rio also needs to go. We need many padaches to take bcbg to a different level. Lastly, jb is lazy...
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Genta needs support,not necessarily leaving,he looks that tired because he works more than the rest of atalakus combined
this is what bcbg lack,they are the only top band with one atalaku dominating that much
cellulaire and co have as much animation in their whole bcbg career then genta in a year and that's not normal
maybe jb is so satisfied by genta alone that he's not bothered about the rest of guys who mainly spent their time doing chorus to genta
like in maison mere,when brigade was the main man,guys like diego dropped a lot but they were not fired since brigade was contributing enough to make up for their little participation
and only some fans want genta out,otherwise it would have been seen in concerts long long ago like when they wanted kibens and co out,whereas its actually when genta steps in that fans start dancing with passion
all genta needs is a younger guy(since apparently being younh is that important) who contributes much more than yankobo cellulaire,pajo and co
having that guy who can compliment genta would allow him to have time to relax more at concerts(the example of mboshi at olympia comes to mind,when he almost lost his voice at some point and sam tshintu had to help him out a little)
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@EMOBCBG said:His last was kipe yayo....
....what of Quel est ton probleme,ever heard of that album,it's perfect and the best he's released in the last 10 years I think.
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One thing that is making generiques boring these days is that these musicians take 3 years to make them and in those three years they will play most parts of the their upcoming generiques,by the time the album comes we know already what to expect and we are proved right as fans,JB Mpiana is not the only culprit.
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voila sly,they prefer testing their animation in concerts to see how fans react before releasing it
the last zaiko generique is a perfect example, it was predictable from fi'rst to last second
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Sly, Archos, the main topic of discussion is that JB lacks new talent to take Bcbg at a new level. He seems to produce albums and concerts with the same rythm since the rappers and instrumentalists are the same, sunda, kibense,ficarre, segiun, genta etc....10-15 yes together is not helpful for jb. Werrason knows the game not jb.
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Yes you are right Emo Werra knows that game not Jb, each Werra and Maison Mere album always someone new to spice things up, but then again Koffi used the same exact people for two straight albums Effrakata and Affaire D'etat and those are in my opinion his best albums ever.
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And another thing when it's time to dance KIBENS GET OFF THE DAMN STAGE YOU CAN'T DANCE TO SAVE YOUR LIFE IT'S EMBARRASSING, IF I WANT TO WATCH GUYS WHO CAN'T DANCE I MIGHT AS WELL PICK U A ZAIKO DVD.
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am i the only one who finds it boring?........JB asila kalaaaaaaaa
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hahaha JB for life....there are two kinds of change...new members who create excitement because of of the anticipation of not knowing what to expect .... and new composites where an artist is already defined and it is generally known what to expect.
from the discussions on the thread guys want the former. for me JB has continued to do well. am abit of a conservative ....BCBG plays oldies and new songs quite well there is balance and depth.....notice sakoko interprets kibense parts quite well.....
my take!
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Shamala, music should be dynamic....Koffi, Wemba, Werrason, etc they have changed styles over time or they have been using different artists several times. There is nothing patou solo can bring to bcbg if he is not given chance to do his thing.also many artists should be given chance to shine, like bebeto given the whole concert to play. Lastly, I go for the idea of fans controlling the choice of artists because that brings effort and competition. Tutu caludji cried like me so my point should be carrying" water"
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@EMOBCBG said:
Sly, Archos, the main topic of discussion is that JB lacks new talent to take Bcbg at a new level. He seems to produce albums and concerts with the same rythm since the rappers and instrumentalists are the same, sunda, kibense,ficarre, segiun, genta etc....10-15 yes together is not helpful for jb. Werrason knows the game not jb.
JB Mpiana seems to prefer to prefer the same staff and from a business management or human resource point of view it explains why his band is stable.
JB Mpiana's power is rhumbas and not sebene but let's not forget that he's still made us dance all these years,i can give examples of powerful generiques by BCBG here if you want. They may not be very popular but they are well arranged.
EMO,do you know why Werrason and Koffi Olomide are disgruntled band President's? It's because of their attitude to staff,lack of good management skills much that staff have been frustrated and left therefore Koffi and Werra are not happy men and treat their former staff as enemies because they do not part in a good way.
JB Mpiana can still be effective if he steps up his game, he needs to push his musicians. Look at how Ficarre has improved,this is the same Ficarre who for a number of years has been playing mainly one song per album for BCBG but now he's upped his game and he's featuring a lot. Coming to the atalukus, Genta does not have the best voice but he's the most creative and effective in the band the rest of them like Cellulaire,Pajo,Ben Laden and others are just passengers who sing choruses and respond to what Genta is saying therefore they just make noise therefore it is these atalukus that JB can send back to the reserve band if they can't create anything,look at Cellulaire and Ben Laden,they have excellent voices for the job but nothing to show for it therefore JB would do himself a big favour if he recruited one good ataluku from outside.
Archos,do you have Kibens or Seguin's phone numbers, I need to talk to them about all these things we are discussing here,maybe they can help JB to call for changes.
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sly i will be meeting them all in a couple of days,i am invited with my brother in their annual new year party and reunion and i will talk about all this as much as i can
by the way genta himself is the first to be upset about the other atalakus,the cellulaire parts(kisabata and so on) are actually his,but he gave to his petit cellulaire so that he does not feature alone in concerts
the policy of bcbg like i have said times and times again is not making massive clearout,but rather incorporate younger musicians often and now they are doing it faster
bana boma for example participated to much more songs than almost everybody in the singers team and were on the list for a massive concert less than a year after their arrival who would have thought that?
lastly,on the atalaku side,maybe alain mpela who is helping bbcbg in scouting talent will find a gem who knows
tigo cash and petit josky were found by him
and also i can inform that some top atalakus who went solo recently were/are contacted to team up with genta,and fortunately most of the guys have worked with him previously underground so there wont be ego problems
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It's good you'll be meeting these guys. Please tell them in an honest way that they really need to step up their game,they should abandon this type of boring sebene they have started,let them stick to proper and hard sebene like that on Quel est ton probleme or on the songs like Voiture, Sans Permission. All this rubbish they are doing now including the mpunda was crap, JB Mpiana also needs to learn one or two things about sound,he should avoid cheap studios with inexperienced sound engineers,they really struggle to balance sound on generiques.
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Sly, get the number for JB, not kibense or segiun those 2 are supposed to be outgoing artists of BCbg. They will not tell U anything meaningful.
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Shamala, scenario 2 is what can take bcbg up. new blood brings energy and competition. The issue of old artists contributing to stability is nonsense.