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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Franco Pepe Kalle on February 08, 2014, 16:36
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Here is the debut of Werrason with his Wenge Musica group. Wenge Musica Maison Mere (or Wenge Maison Mere)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMtTNjY-fA
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Here is the debut of Werrason with his Wenge Musica group.
The original title of the video is right,you've messed it up, this was the debut of Wenge Musica Maison Mére, a band that Werrason,Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez created with major contribution of Christian Mabanga,Werra, Didier and Adolphe were all leaders.
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Here is the debut of Werrason with his Wenge Musica group.
The original title of the video is right,you've messed it up, this was the debut of Wenge Musica Maison Mére, a band that Werrason,Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez created with major contribution of Christian Mabanga,Werra, Didier and Adolphe were all leaders.
True but it was clearly Werrason's group from the beginning. Yes Adolphe and Didier were founders but the leader was Werrason. From day one to now.
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Bill Clinton sounds exactly like Calludgi
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True but it was clearly Werrason's group from the beginning. Yes Adolphe and Didier were founders but the leader was Werrason. From day one to now.
Listen, that's exactly why it ceased to be called Wenge Musica Maison Mére as explained by Didier Masela and Adolphe. The 3 of them founded the band and co-owned it, they also did the recruitment together but Werrason used underhand methods try and show that he's the sole leader, it was by self praise and mainly using Ferre and Bill to sing that Werra was the supreme leader and that really pissed of Masela, he didn't like the animation chants by Bill especially(praising Werrason) and that's one reason he cited in his interview when he left and released his own album Zabala Bakulu under the original name which he retained as Wenge Musica.
On the other hand, Adolphe never showed that he was under Werra, they composed almost a similar number of songs on the albums and on each song they rarely appeared together on stage, if one was performing, they would be accompanied by the singers separately and the other would not show their face unless on sebene songs when they all danced together, look at the video clips especially.
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That's not true because there were many concerts where Aldophe did wear the same uniform like the musicians and Werra not. And Werrason did have 3 songs in Solola Bien, while Aldophe did get only two and Didier one. Yes Maison Mere was co-founded by Didier Masela & Aldophe. Aldophe could be the president of the band, but it was him self who wanted that Werrason became the president. He did also praise Werrason so much in concerts from the first concert till his last concert. It was not a problem for Didier that Werrason did became the leader and that they were praise him much, but it changed when Force d'Intervation Rapide was released. The same problem was when Feux de l'Amour was released.
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That's not true because there were many concerts where Aldophe did wear the same uniform like the musicians and Werra not. And Werrason did have 3 songs in Solola Bien, while Aldophe did get only two and Didier one. Yes Maison Mere was co-founded by Didier Masela & Aldophe. Aldophe could be the president of the band, but it was him self who wanted that Werrason became the president. He did also praise Werrason so much in concerts from the first concert till his last concert. It was not a problem for Didier that Werrason did became the leader and that they were praise him much, but it changed when Force d'Intervation Rapide was released. The same problem was when Feux de l'Amour was released.
The fact of that matter remains that Wenge Musica Maison Mére was not Werrason's band, it was for the 3 of them and the album covers said ''WENGE MUSICA Maison Mére'' but when Didier and Adolphe left the name changed and all covers were now appearing as ''WERRASON & Wenge Maison Mére'' as now Werrason had become a solo artist.
If you talk about the numbers of songs on albums, look at the album Terrain Eza Mine, Werra only had two songs on that one whilst Adolphe is credited for 3 even though one is an instrumental.
What I said about Masela not being happy about Werra's self praise and pushing the Ferre and the boys to praise Werra at concerts and on songs was not something I dreamed off, I saw an excerpt of the interview he had, I think with digitalcongo in 2003 or 2004 when he released the album ''ZABALA BAKULU.''
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adolphe was co-president in the beginning and was dressing like werra and sometimes not,the example of bercy is there werra was very upset about adolphe not wearing uniform like other guys,and the pentagone clothes he wore at some point was because werra with the complicity of ferré and co made sure the second set of clothes adolphe took was taken from their locker room and hidden(one of the reason why adolphe says that bercy was maison mere and tonya tonya on stage)
as for what sly said on masela,i can confirm it,masela even was interview and a dvd was released about it,he was so upset with how werra treated him that he threatened to sue him if he continued using wenge musica
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Baby Ndombe confirmed that Werra used to send Ferre and co to piss them off(Adolphe and Masela) There are many example Adjani put a chewing gum in adolphe's'jacket during a concert in Strasbourg(France). When Les Marquis was formed they apologize to them during an interview. And he even say that when they came to the group they all know that Adolphe was the leader. Later, Werra wanted them to call him "President" and not "ya noel"
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That's right archos and masatomo, these are some of the underhand methods Werra used to kick out Didier and Adolphe so that he remains a solo artist and Ferre too was part of the game so that he could be number 2, you could see when he was accompanying Adolphe on stage that he didn't respect Adolphe much, there was one show in Europe where Ferre was singing Adolphe's song and he paused the song to start apologising to the crowd for Werra's absence saying ''President Werra, this and that,Adolphe just kept quiet'' I thnk he knew what was going on and I feel Didier Lacoste and Serge Mabiala also felt belittled by Werra that's why they kept going and coming,Lacoste had initially gone with Adolphe to form Wenge Tonya Tonya.
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That's right archos and masatomo, these are some of the underhand methods Werra used to kick out Didier and Adolphe so that he remains a solo artist and Ferre too was part of the game so that he could be number 2, you could see when he was accompanying Adolphe on stage that he didn't respect Adolphe much, there was one show in Europe where Ferre was singing Adolphe's song and he paused the song to start apologising to the crowd for Werra's absence saying ''President Werra, this and that,Adolphe just kept quiet'' I thnk he knew what was going on and I feel Didier Lacoste and Serge Mabiala also felt belittled by Werra that's why they kept going and coming,Lacoste had initially gone with Adolphe to form Wenge Tonya Tonya.
I hear you DJ Sly but Werrason was the clear leader of Maison Mere. Yes it never said Werrason and Wenge Musica Maison Mere but it was Werrason just like Wenge BCBG was clearly the group of JB Mpiana hence why Blaise and others left. Werrason allowed Adolphe to just do his thing. Werrason tried to act like it could be equal when as Archos pointed out Werrason wanted to embrass Adolphe and Didier Masela. But I wonder what was the actual thing that led to Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez to leave Wenge Musica Maison Mere (Wenge Maison Mere).
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I hear you DJ Sly but Werrason was the clear leader of Maison Mere. Yes it never said Werrason and Wenge Musica Maison Mere but it was Werrason just like Wenge BCBG was clearly the group of JB Mpiana hence why Blaise and others left. Werrason allowed Adolphe to just do his thing. Werrason tried to act like it could be equal when as Archos pointed out Werrason wanted to embrass Adolphe and Didier Masela. But I wonder what was the actual thing that led to Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez to leave Wenge Musica Maison Mere (Wenge Maison Mere).
It's highly contentious FPK, we can all be open to arguments, maybe you're right but based on what I know Werra was not the sole owner of the Wenge splinter that was formed and released Force Intervention Rapide and Sololá Bien, he was imposing himself as the supreme leader when in actual sense the band had 3 leaders.
It was quite different with JB Mpiana, when Wenge Musica BCBG 4X4 ended, he decided to break away and almost the entire band followed him, he carried with him most of the instruments too leaving Werra,adolphe and company to start from scratch. JB had the money and financial backing from businessmen and politicians and was the supreme leader and named his band Wenge BCBG and the name stayed like that even after the departure of Blaise and Makaba,there was no leadership struggle and that's why he had massive success right from the start because all the other musicians gave him maximum support as their leader.
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I hear you DJ Sly but Werrason was the clear leader of Maison Mere. Yes it never said Werrason and Wenge Musica Maison Mere but it was Werrason just like Wenge BCBG was clearly the group of JB Mpiana hence why Blaise and others left. Werrason allowed Adolphe to just do his thing. Werrason tried to act like it could be equal when as Archos pointed out Werrason wanted to embrass Adolphe and Didier Masela. But I wonder what was the actual thing that led to Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez to leave Wenge Musica Maison Mere (Wenge Maison Mere).
It's highly contentious FPK, we can all be open to arguments, maybe you're right but based on what I know Werra was not the sole owner of the Wenge splinter that was formed and released Force Intervention Rapide and Sololá Bien, he was imposing himself as the supreme leader when in actual sense the band had 3 leaders.
It was quite different with JB Mpiana, when Wenge Musica BCBG 4X4 ended, he decided to break away and almost the entire band followed him, he carried with him most of the instruments too leaving Werra,adolphe and company to start from scratch. JB had the money and financial backing from businessmen and politicians and was the supreme leader and named his band Wenge BCBG and the name stayed like that even after the departure of Blaise and Makaba,there was no leadership struggle and that's why he had massive success right from the start because all the other musicians gave him maximum support as their leader.
You are right on the money when it came to JB Mpiana and Werrason. Werrason actually had to go and look for musicians and that is where I blame Werrason. Not helped that most of the musicians in WMM were discovered by Adolphe Dominguez. Heck it was Adolphe who really gave Ferre Gola a shot in Wenge Musica not Werrason as people want to say. Adolphe was the one who got most of the musicians of WMM. But Werra acted like he got them when it was Adolphe. I could understand why Adolphe was mad. JB Mpiana has been popular and I think the more superstar than Werra. JB Mpiana has been able to get fans of all tribes while Werrason has the biggest fans from his tribe Kikwuit in Bandundu.
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LOOK AT ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERTS/REPS IN ZAMBA PLAYA ADOLPHE WAS IN THE MIDDLE WHEN THERE WAS 5 MICROPHONES QUITE CLEARLY WENGE MUSICA MAISON MERE HAD 3 LEADERS. UNTIL 1999 WHEN WERRA STARTED TAKING THE INITIATIVE AS THE SOLE LEADER.
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@FPK
It's Werrason who had fans from all tribes. You will never see JB Mpiana performing in Kikwit or another village/city in Bandundu, while Werrason can perform without problem in Kananga, Mbuji-Mayi and Tshikapa. It's all because of the war with Didi Kinuani
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@FPK
It's Werrason who had fans from all tribes. You will never see JB Mpiana performing in Kikwit or another village/city in Bandundu, while Werrason can perform without problem in Kananga, Mbuji-Mayi and Tshikapa. It's all because of the war with Didi Kinuani
That is very true.
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That's right Adolphe brought Lacoste,Adjani(I am not sure),Celeo and others in Maison Mere. He is the one who convinced Werra to pursue his career after the Wenge split. Even Sankara was closer to Adolphe back in the early days of Maison Mere. During his first television appearence he was praising Adolphe a lot saying that he was the most beautiful among the rest of leaders. That's why he was mad when Werra and others kicked him out.
But I want to know when Masela left the band ? I heard that they left him in Canada is that right ?
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adolphe also bought many songs to maison mere by getting his main songwriter pascal poba to right Chantal Switzerland the first major hit
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That's right Adolphe brought Lacoste,Adjani(I am not sure),Celeo and others in Maison Mere. He is the one who convinced Werra to pursue his career after the Wenge split. Even Sankara was closer to Adolphe back in the early days of Maison Mere. During his first television appearence he was praising Adolphe a lot saying that he was the most beautiful among the rest of leaders. That's why he was mad when Werra and others kicked him out.
But I want to know when Masela left the band ? I heard that they left him in Canada is that right ?
It's true that Aldophe was very influend member of Wenge Maison Mere, but that story about convincing Werrason is not true. This story was just invented for polemiques. It was Didier Masela, who did convice the two guys. Because he didn't want to see the band that he created dying. Aldophe vision was also not to continue music, like Werrason. Aldophe wanted just to begin his business-career, with help from his rich-family
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Oh I didn't know that
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I have always said it Werason is not a gentleman, he betrayed his colleagues so sadly. Adolph was not happy after some time and you could see it even on videos that followed Solo labien, at one show in France you could see Adolph pushed to the far right side of the stage dressed the same way as other junior members and he came with the junior members on stage before Wera. He looked very sad. A lot of sad things characterize the lives of some of these musicians back stage than the glamor they come to show on the stage if all that has been said here is anything to go by.Then one funny thing is that all those guys Wera used to frustrate his colleagues, its only Ferre who has come to see real success in his carrier.
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@FPK
It's Werrason who had fans from all tribes. You will never see JB Mpiana performing in Kikwit or another village/city in Bandundu, while Werrason can perform without problem in Kananga, Mbuji-Mayi and Tshikapa. It's all because of the war with Didi Kinuani
I have too many concert dvd's of BCBG, JB has played in most places in Congo. Back in the days he could not play in the Bandundu areas because of the hostility that was there because of his fall out with Werrason. People felt JB Mpiana had literally abandoned Werra in the cold despite him JB not having been a founding member of the original group. There was a lot of violence amongst fans back in the days, it's only now that things are ok and JB mainly sticks to playing regular VIP shows at hotels and lodges in Kinshasa city and not going deeper in the localities like Werra does.
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That's right Adolphe brought Lacoste,Adjani(I am not sure),Celeo and others in Maison Mere. He is the one who convinced Werra to pursue his career after the Wenge split. Even Sankara was closer to Adolphe back in the early days of Maison Mere. During his first television appearence he was praising Adolphe a lot saying that he was the most beautiful among the rest of leaders. That's why he was mad when Werra and others kicked him out.
But I want to know when Masela left the band ? I heard that they left him in Canada is that right ?
True, I understand Serge Mabiala was also taken to Maison Mére by Adolphe.
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There is an interview where Serge Mabiala says that he was brought by Werrason, because he was a "pure petit of Werrason", while Werrason was in Wenge Musica. He stated also that he lived in his house, that they were working on his songs,etc.