Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on February 28, 2014, 09:14
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I fear the worst for one of them,these guys are attacking each other very very very seriously,those situations happened in jb/werra era and probably in some of oither big rivalries but those guys really want to eliminate each other in all fields,and i mean really eliminate one has to die, they more or less give plastic smiles on tv but those guys were dragged into high levels of satanism with desire to completely dominate the rival
the public thought will be or is that they are avoiding each other purely for strategy,but its actually more serious than that
thankfully there are not many opportunities for them to have close contact,and they have rejected some opportunities to be next to each other(two concerts together for example)
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I thought he just wished him a quick recovery the other day following the accident... :-\
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I thought he just wished him a quick recovery the other day following the accident... :-\
yes,in public they maintain a minimum good image, but in private,very private its something else
it might be hard to see from interviews and all that but something might happen,at least like jb's broken shoulder when saluting werra, or werra's strange headaches when they had important rival concerts(each in a big hall or stadium of kinshasa or paris for example the same day)
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the best way to finish each other is to but the others musicians..
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They may not finish one another since they now belong to one religion that is Satanism. I believe that they now have equal powers that does not exceed one another. Though its a sad situation.
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this is why congolese music won't go far because unnecessary hatred between the two when will congolese music change
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this is why congolese music won't go far because unnecessary hatred between the two when will congolese music change
On the contrary, it's rivalry which makes them work harder and it produces more competition but the Satanism issue is just unfortunate, I feel sorry for them.
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Sly i understand what you are trying to say but if the two want to kill each other then i'd rather have no competition because the scale of hatred is immense
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did not want to mention it,but since its between us i will do,one of fally's singers who participated on A2BM but i wont mention his name for respect,has been paralysed due to those late night attacks and fally took him secretly here in europe and made sure the news was not spead in kinshasa as it would have quickly spead here aswell
the guy lives here in a french city but far from cameras
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did not want to mention it,but since its between i will do,one of fally's singers who participated on A2BM but i wont mention his name for respect,has been paralysed due to those late night attacks and fally took him secretly here in europe and made sure the news was not spead in kinshasa as it would have quickly spead here aswell
the guy lives here in a french city but far from cameras
Hmmmm, this is getting serious!!
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did not want to mention it,but since its between us i will do,one of fally's singers who participated on A2BM but i wont mention his name for respect,has been paralysed due to those late night attacks and fally took him secretly here in europe and made sure the news was not spead in kinshasa as it would have quickly spead here aswell
the guy lives here in a french city but far from cameras
When I first read this my tears really started to come down from my eyes and my heart starting beating :'(...this is really sad indeed biso ba Congolais efo to tika ba blague wana toza ba ndeko.
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I like rivalry between people because it makes them harder and produce better quality material but never to the point where it involves witchcraft, violence etc. My two favorite new generation Congolese artists are trying to take each other out with witchcraft and that is just horrible, take your rival out with your good material whether it be in music,sports or the workplace.
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So the accident Fally had was from Ferre/Jc katanga?
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So the accident Fally had was from Ferre/Jc katanga?
its likely,quite likely,i cant say its 100 per cent that,but that's second accident fally has were he is the only one who is injured in the car,he also had an accident like that when going for a concert in boma and mwanda one year and half ago, he was injured on his right knee but it was not talked in media since it was a "minor" accident
coco dilasso and eddy badiata had absolutely nothing
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Anyone who believes in curses, satanism, voodoo, fetish or whatever name you call it, is an idiot......and I mean it for real. Children have been sacrificed; killed and some permanently banished from society by being labelled witches. I don't know why people choose to believe this bullshit! Belief in witchcraft is unacceptable & a major cause of unnecessary deaths & destruction of families. I have seen videos of people being burned alive, throats slit off & decapitated because someone believes they are witches. To hell with this.
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The days before the Wenge-separation were wonderful you had at time fara-fara concerts at the same concerthall or stadium. There were even fara-fara of different generations against each other. Examples are Wenge vs Zaiko, Victoria Eleison vs OK Jazz, Viva La Musica vs Victoria Eleison,etc. The thing what was special is that rivals were talking to each other after and before the concert, if they had an fara-fara. A thing that you will not see in these days.
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Archos this is shocking news i think music is love and peace in a way that's why we forget everything and dance to the beat satanism is chaos and losing focus in whatever competition they have . I feel sorry for them i think they have bad advisers . Are they coming from the same province?
Let it not happen that way it is they will be buried and we will forget them . Someone must have been started
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no they are from different regions and indeed they were advised to there is no way to be succesful without it and also you need it to protect from enemies
ferre and fally were both christian in the past,both were even in church groups but the day they decide to go solo,out the 5 first new people they meet maybe 4 were sorcerers and stuff like that
and if one does x or y type of sacrifice the other one wants to prove he is bigger so he does worse
like i have said earlier in the former forum,i was like a staff member for ferré but did not last long with them because of my ideas
i was the only guy who was advising him not to go into those things,some were even willing to give their own family members as long as ferré becomes as big as they wished and dominated fally
i was quickly rejected from them,and looking back at it i am happy i did not remain there
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Archos what where the ideas you proposed that they didn't like?
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i suggested three points
-first one maintaining balance between rumba and sebene like in the past,so that he is different to the rest
second one,fully maintaining the group system with a name and more participation from musician instead of" ferre and his group" even though he allows musicians to participate a bit
third one was about witchcraft,i said he had all the tools to be succesful,good dancer,fantastic singer, charisma....i was called " yuma" (stupid for those who do no understand lingala) and told that i did not want him to succeed
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Those are really good ideas but I don't get what you mean by "fully maintaining the group system with a name" like his group is les Gaulois and he lets his musicians participate a lot. And what do you mean by balance between rumba and sebene?
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the name les gaulois was created by fans it exists nowhere officially even when chikito and co are interview i have never heard a journalist mention it
it's ferre and his group or the group of ferre,the musicians of ferre,whereas my idea was having a clear name like bcbg,maison mere,quartier latin cultura and co and why not doing group albums
about the balance, for example a 16 song album for me should have 2 strong generiques,5 or 6 sebene songs at least and the rest rumbas
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Those are very good ideas and yet they taught you didn't want the best for Ferre....what a shame.
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Aaaa!! No!! Thank you archos, you played your part and when your valid counsel is not appreciated then you do the honorable thing that you did, that is to quit. One thing that I must commend about you is that even after being called yuma, you did not take offense, I mean if you did so you would be castigating Ferre on this forum. It is normal when there is a fallout, people tend to tarnish their former employers name. God bless you for that.
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thanks ken,you know i was not even pissed when i left them,i was actually sad because i really cared about him for his best whereas other have interests,like mabanga or songs for free,family members brought instead of some musicians on tours here and so on...
I had similar problems with many leaders especially jb and werra who i am closer to than other musicians,they prefer guys who will praise them all day long than guys who give them proper advice and at the end most of guys who live are not afraid to tell them some stuff they hate hearing are frozen out,so far the most receptive to criticism i have seen is wazekwa,you actually discuss on everything,the only thing he does not like is talking of reconciliation with koffi lol
the day congolese musicians will pick the right guys to be around them,they will become a massive force in africa again
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I have always read any of your comments on Wazekwa with a lot of interest and my conclusion is that Wazekwa must be a very good man on personal character. With that I have liked Wazekwa more, when you meet him continue telling him to maintain who he is, with that he will have more peaceful life than those who are busy sacrificing fellow human being. If you don't mind you can tell me about his private life, his personal family and his stature in Congolese society. Thank you.
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There is, and has always been, a strong and consistent attack on music from Satan. At this point I should note that some people don't believe in Satanism. To me that is like wishing off a bad thing or closing one's eyes to reality and evidence. It is interesting to read Werra2006's post above where he condemns everyone who believes in all this to hell; he must believe in hell surely then?
The attack on music is from several angles, the main one being the curse of ignorance. I am shocked by how most of the people I meet cannot tell the difference between good and bad music. Poor education it a culprit. If everyone was taught from an early age to listen and appreciate good music, created by artists (humans, not computers) and shared and played communally - as intended and as it has been done before, especially in the African tradition - then we would all be demanding for good music from our 'musicians'. I have to commend Archos for standing by his principal of a music group/band while advising Ferre, as opposed to the selfish solos of today's musicians; as it were, we are all created with limitations, partly, I believe, to make us appreciate our need for fellow humans. The cliche goes: no man is an island.
Apart from making sure we are illiterate musically (how else can you explain pop music and the terrible, sickening lot we listen to on majority of radio stations and public entertainment places?), Satan does indeed use the musicians themselves - to a big success, I must say. How do you finish a nation off? You pit the top leaders against each other. Look at South Sudan. So, by making sure Ferre and Fally (arguably the top emerging musicians from Congo) are at war, that music is headed for doom.
There are several other ways that are being used to take away the beautiful, inimitable gift of music from humanity. That is why I urge everyone to fight back. Fight the illiteracy. There is no excuse in the modern age not to really learn music. Let us all demand for good music. Congolese music is supposed to be full of innovative solos and strong guitar harmonies, real drummers and enchanting percussions. Good sebene music is all we ask for. We are not getting any of that and instead all we hear is polemic and talk, but no music at all. With the abundance of choices today, some of us are already looking elsewhere for good music; and, believe me, there is a lot of it out there.
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Archos, i am so grateful for the information that you impart on us here. Do you still work within the industry in some capacity or do you just keep contacts with people who are? Have you ever thought of managing an artist or band from scratch? i realize this is expensive but with the knowledge you have i think it would be cool if you got some mucisians together and tried to drum up sponsorship. i would definitely support that!!
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bump.
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Archos, i am so grateful for the information that you impart on us here. Do you still work within the industry in some capacity or do you just keep contacts with people who are? Have you ever thought of managing an artist or band from scratch? i realize this is expensive but with the knowledge you have i think it would be cool if you got some mucisians together and tried to drum up sponsorship. i would definitely support that!!
for the moment just contacts,i had the plan of manageing but seeing how people around them are acting i prefer taking more time and maybe one day
also depend of time available,but a guy like fabregas would have been interesting to manage,he is one of the rare to have a good surrounding