Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on March 22, 2014, 10:36
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gVkIgT3kvkk
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What the hell!!! We are tired.
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What the hell!!! We are tired.
LOL you are too passionate,its only music, albump will always end up being out anyway....
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I think Wenge Bcbg and Maiosn Mere should only go on tv to announce when the album is coming out other then that I don't want to hear from them.
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TBH i'm tired as well, how long do we have to wait Archos?
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TBH i'm tired as well, how long do we have to wait Archos?
normally a month if they can fully focus on what's lef,it's not far away they are just re-checking songs and shouting people's names
songs are ready,jb also is probably expecting a producer to arrive and fund the remaining sessions because album was 100 per cent funded by himself so far
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wow...you people still support this dead band?....good luck...nothing more than garbage music comes from BCBG(in my opinion, so dont get your knickers in the twist) 8)
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Janvion, Abraham,Fudji,Abel De Charme,Atshouda,Josky,Tigo Cash,Bana Boma and Patou Solo are dead to you??
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Wenge BCBG has been killed by Mpiana himself and thanks Valentino for being spot on. Jdog, he is correct.
I have always said, a band will not prosper if you allow no competitive bidding from candidates, of in simple language, lack of competition. The structure in bcbg does not allow competition because the old and liability, are not serious contributors, but friends to the band leader. Those who are very talented and young, are kept on the sideline waiting and getting old too. Even in zaiko, nyoka understands that nono and doudo are old and should rest sometimes to allow new young rappers. JB has let us down on this one.
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Janvion, Abraham,Fudji,Abel De Charme,Atshouda,Josky,Tigo Cash,Bana Boma and Patou Solo are dead to you??
The musicians you just named, what have they done that is soo special?.....they are all rubbish and lack creativity
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For Mignon listen to Code Moral and he is making an album that sounds nice, Fudji listen to Zadio and Mombamba, for Patou Solo listen to the Kipe Ya Yo genrique and Tigo cash watch Bcbg news and Bana Boma the guy who sings like Boguys I like not his brother (Primus song).
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For Abel De Charme listen to a extract of his song @30:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-yfzAlCW4#t=1873
Josky listen to 5:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Kw1hHjTFM
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For Atshouda listen to Zadio and the Primus song
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Bcbg has talent but it is not tapped effectively. If I were to propose team A that would tick for JB, I would prefer singers: JB, Abel des, Atshuda, didi kalombo, Zulema, nono Fuji, Abraham and sakoko while interchanging with the new ones like Togo cash. Remove drum man segiun and bring in a better drummer, pluck out genta and cellulaire and go on the streets and get two new hardco rappers. Tell ficarre to accept a bit of leave sometimes and get another guitarist to play and compete with patou. JB can raise his feathers again.
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I just have one question,why constantly writing just to say for the 938484O38374874 time the same thing,even when the video has nothing to do with the shitness of the group or whatever those who are highly pissed or any other reason,,,
dont get me wrong,i am not a bcbg fan,or a maison mere fan and so on,i have always said my group was wenge 4X4 then i appreciate all groups,but i have noticed that those situation happen only on bcbg topics
i understand everybody's point and i agree with many things but why expressing anger or criticize every single time?
bcbg are what they are basically because bcbg is jb unlike some other groups,this sentence alone explains 100's of posts
the day bcbg will not anymore be jb and also the mysterious reason why no matter what effort(efforts arrived too late i could agree) are not enough to relieve a bit that bad image of bcbg and also why bcbg is not producing stars(at least from many points of view) maybe then things will change
i have taken a lot of distance with those issues so maybe thats why emo might think i am a blind defender,which i am not
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thanks jdog for sticking on music(notes and so on),did not even know josky had been with zapatro and already did clips and so on,no wonder he already has some "swag" despite arriving very recently in a big group
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Archos when you say swag do you mean clothes?
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Archos when you say swag do you mean clothes?
yes,looks in general,i think you'll agree with me that most of group members who came from small unknown groups to big groups go through a lot of transformation in terms of look once in those groups(aspect like we call it in lingala)
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who is this petit josky you speak of..has he joined BCBG?
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Yeah Josky dresses like he has some money in his pocket...when Ferre and Fally first made their group their musicians dressed like they just came back from begging for money on the streets, but now since money is coming in their clothes and hair are more presentable.
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who is this petit josky you speak of..has he joined BCBG?
yeah and he straight away was given lead singer role for roger ngandu's song
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just had a chat with vieux mpiano himself exactly 45 minutes ago,i will try doing a written transcription of the answers he gave me to some questions later today when i have more time
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EMO, during the times we were being subjected to various Wenge Maison Mére videos showing the band practicing etc and we had none for BCBG, you were complaining, now we have various BCBG shows showing us talent within BCBG,you're still complaining. I know it's frustrating waiting for albums for a long time but you have to understand that we listeners do not fund musicians studio works, they rely on money from sponsors and mabanga. The band Presidents have a huge task of mobilizing funds to pay for studio works,wages and bonuses so the studio works take a long time depending on the funds they have.
It is not 5 years since Wenge BCBG released an album,give them a break and let us continue seeing these extracts although they don't help that much but at least we can know who is doing what and who is in and out of the band, personally am happy to be seeing these videos showing the talent in BCBG musicians especially that people say JB Mpiana has no good ear for picking talented musicians, he's proved everyone wrong all the time.
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here is the little chat with him
me :hi yaya first of all congrats for the new baby
him:ah ah thanks but how did you know it,you are suspect(and he laughs)
me:i wanted to call you to ask you a couple of questions i have got myself and some friends from several african countries
him:no problem go ahead
me:first question would be the case of musicians you should fire
hiim: seriously this question still exists?they have done nothing wrong to me to be fired
i have heard that the problem some people have with them is that they are old,but so am i,and as far as i know papa lutumba who is almost two times as old as us is still a musician,so you see that argument is a bit strange
and also what many people forget is that those guys have families,lots of people who rely on them,how would those guys feel if i put them into trouble by firing their relatives
you know i do not consider musicians only as my employees but also as human beings who deserve respect
me talking about that,some people say you are too sentimental and you allow sh.. musicians to remain in the group because of your friendship
him (a bit pissed) so being a leader means you should treat employees like they are animals? yes indeed,i consider bcbg like a second family,i spent much more time with them than my own family so i respect them a lot
even right now,we are all at our guitarist zygal's house for his birthday
if some musicians are still around its because they feel valued,they have a contribution in the group and also they consider bcbg as a good place to be in for their life,proof is those who felt its better to leave group and go solo did it naturally
those who say i should fire musicians are the same who will mock them should they struggle outside the group
everybody is important in the group,from the oldest of us ya fifi ficarré to our new singer from brazza we just hired days ago and you will appreciate soon
ask any leader,in every group they are musicians who contribute more than other,but at the end of day everybody give their part to the puzzle
me:also what about balle de match, when will it be out
him:you know music is not that easy as it seems,i am sure you know there is a big lack of producers these days so i have funded album from my pocket,also our hard disk of 16 songs we first did had a technical problems and we lost almost everything,60 000 dollars gone like that...(sigh)
listen,me or any congolese musician are not being primadonnas who have long recording processes on purpose
we have a lot of difficulties,electricity power failures and so on...but fans cant see it so they lack patience
we have now neared completion of our recording of 25 songs
me when will it be out
i cant tell you an exact date because it does not depend only of me,but i cant grant you that its soon
there are a lot of quality songs, and i think they will be pleased
me:and what about those who say you are not giving young guys opportunity to shine
him: how can people say that when i have not released solo albums for 15 years to allow musicians to express themselves
i find that criticism a bit unfair,i am not against criticism you can ask my musicians,i do not hesitate restarting vocals myself when musicians suggest interesting ideas
remember when some fans expressed desire to see more of abraham and co,did not they become more regular and got songs soon after? I even decided not participating in their songs to fully allow then shining
and we keep accepting musicians almost every month,door is open for young people
shining depends on luck and of God,i keep telling my musicians that maybe one day some will be bigger stars than myself who knows
i try my best to promote my musicians and make them feel valued,the rest is in the hands of the Almighty
me why dont you have only young guys like werra or some other leaders
him (a bit annoyed again) because i am jb and other leaders are who they are,every of us have their policy,their objectives and so on
and also its an advantage having experienced guys to help young guys settling in and become professional
me:and my last question what about those who say bcbg are a copy of zaiko and that sebene style is past it
him: haha seriously?i think you often come to kinshasa,i am sure you have seen kids in the streets,people in clubs from different ages dancing to mama siska and vimba?tell me then if its only for old people how come it has so much success everywhere
that as false debate
zaiko is a legendary group and its an honour to be likened with them,and like i have said,earlier,bcbg is bcbg with its own strengths and weaknesses,and same for other groups, let the competition be natural in bars,quality of albums and so on instead of forcing comparison with other groups
be patient dear fans, we are working hard to release balle de match soon and i believe many of you will be satisfied but satisfaction will not be perfect because even guys like michael jackson didnt convince the whole world
by the way,hats off to all of them i appreciate all good musicians and have many of their cds
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Is soon to them late 2014 early 2015??
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HAHA no,this year for sure,especially with summer approaching,most albums are released either in summer or in december
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HAHA no,this year for sure,especially with summer approaching,most albums are released either in summer or in December
Yeah that's what I meant December, I hope it comes out this summer because it's closer....and you didn't ask him about releasing a generique.
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yeah i forgot,but i know that he also did a petite ya quartier generique,its up to primus to release it
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yeah i forgot,but i know that he also did a petite ya quartier generique,its up to primus to release it
So he did another Primus generique??
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yeah i forgot,but i know that he also did a petite ya quartier generique,its up to primus to release it
So he did another Primus generique??
yeah all of them except blaise bula and wemba were asked a generique for petite ya quartier
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yeah i forgot,but i know that he also did a petite ya quartier generique,its up to primus to release it
So he did another Primus generique??
yeah all of them except blaise bula and wemba were asked a generique for petite ya quartier
Wemba's not capable of making a good generique and Blaise would've taken 10 years to record his.
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Wemba's not capable of making a good generique.....
To be honest, I think you must find a better way of expressing yourself, saying ''incapable'' is rather ridiculous and an insult to one of the monuments of Congolese music who has made us dance for years, this is the man who has brought us many musicians entertaining us today, give credit where it's due.
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i try my best to promote my musicians and make them feel valued,the rest is in the hands of the Almighty
me why dont you have only young guys like werra or some other leaders
him (a bit annoyed again) because i am jb and other leaders are who they are,every of us have their policy,their objectives and so on
that as false debate
zaiko is a legendary group and its an honour to be likened with them,and like i have said,earlier,bcbg is bcbg with its own strengths and weaknesses,and same for other groups, let the competition be natural in bars,quality of albums and so
this I like
be patient dear fans, we are working hard to release balle de match soon and i believe many of you will be satisfied because even guys like michael jackson did convince the whole world
by the way,hats off to all of them i appreciate all good musicians and have many of their cds
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Archos, By Jb saying that there are no producers these days isn't that an affirmation that Congolese Music is loosing its popularity? Here in Tanzania we don't understand Congolese, but we liked the Congolese Music because of the Sebene. The way they played the guitars, the drums, the dancing styles, which have now faded. No body like Rhumba here. Please pass that to JB and Co.
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Archos, By Jb saying that there are no producers these days isn't that an affirmation that Congolese Music is loosing its popularity? Here in Tanzania we don't understand Congolese, but we liked the Congolese Music because of the Sebene. The way they played the guitars, the drums, the dancing styles, which have now faded. No body like Rhumba here. Please pass that to JB and Co.
i think you are right, but unfortunately congolese musicians have now being doing music for congolese fans only and some with their so called "world music"
i fault koffi for this,he has a massive influence on congolese artists, and is one of the guys if not the guy who brought polemic that a true artist must prove himself on rumbas and generique and sebene is for lazy leaders who rely on atalakus to save their career
from then,everybody wanted to prove him a point and also everybody followed monde arabe's configuration and it worsened with time
i also fault congolese fans for that,like i have said countless times and ferré also confirmed that,most of congolese fans especially those who buy songs want rumbas so demand and supply forces congolese musicians to release loads of rumbas
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And I think that was aimed at Werrason, but Werra also produces some very good Rumba, up to Now I still play Ans 13 and Ton Amour in my car, I regard them as the best songs ever composed by Werra. Koffi did that on purpose, to bring them to his level and beat them with experience, he knew that he cannot compete with Clan Wenge particularly Werra on Sebene. I think it was you Archo who said that Monde Arabe was wiped away by waves created by Alert General, also Danger De mote couldn't compete with sous soul. So Werra and entered into a trap they cant get out.
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This one was hot!!!! to the conversation with JB, archos I find JB to be a honest man, a true leader, a man of trust and one who has interest of humanity at heart. If EMO was to turn up at his work center tomorrow and be told that he is now too old for the job, what would happen to him and his family? The debate whether to go sebene or rhumba to me is not the main issue here. I give Kenya as a perfect example being a country which love rhumba most than sebene and thats why Werra is not well known here. The uprising of the what I may call the fourth generation musicians in East Africa made Congolese music go under for some time but now again coming back steadily. In the early 2000 came the local hip hop and reggae fusion and the emergence of Bongo music that took Lingala music under, but people have come to realize that those of music don't last and are now most associated with teenagers only. To me what may be killing Congolese music if the rivalry and jealousy among musicians. If they can come up with one popular cry like Ndombolo and do it all of them like those years then it can sell even more unlike now where everyone wants their own cry.
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That's an interesting discussion you had with Sulutani archos, thanx a lot. It's very clear that he's down to earth and has a heart.