Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: Jdog on April 26, 2014, 01:02
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"silence naza muana ya maman na ngai oyo abota ngai botika ba pollemique ya buzoba naza na temps te yako repondre pona ba kestion na bino ya buzoba ...botika ngai na bosser epuis nayebi base solide te naza na likambu na bango te ... ndenge na lobaki kaka eza pasi flech india ebeti bango .. deja dimache nako leka na emission pona lobela bino ba verite ingerta toujour na minite oyo toza na kikwit retour en kinshasa dimache epuis lundi nako zala na studio pona nzembo na ngai merci a tous"
-Nicodem Kanday
He is saying that he is the child of his birth mom and that people need to stop with the stupid polemic because he doesn't have the time to respond to those stupid remarks made by Ferre's camp and that he doesn't know who Base Solide is(part of Ferre's staff) and that he doesn't know their business. He says that just the talk of Dessert Ingeta is making them worried and that he will speak more on this subject on Sunday when they come back from Kikwit with Papy Mboma and that on Monday he will go in the studio finish his song in Dessert Ingeta.
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Ok Nicodem you just contradicted yourself man, how can you say that your not going to respond to Ferre's camp but you're going to have an interview with Papy Mboma about that situation. And you know damn well you didn't only have one vocal in your time with Ferre and that you did clips for your vocals in Boite Noire. And how can Ferre play in Europe at the moment with the current situation with the combattants, if you would have been patient enough Ferre will be playing in Ukraine next month. And why would you go to a group where the barely play any concerts at the moment.
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lol..stupid boy...bleaching is all he knows...he claims not to know base solide but not long ago outside la zamba in a interview he said base solide are for ferre and he doesn't have a problem with them and now he says he doesnt know them......can someone please show him all the interviews he did before joining Maison Mere de vieux cultivons la haine, how he used to make dedication to base solide...zoba
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This is one guy that Ferre has treated so well and has gone with Ferre everywhere, he was with Ferre even at the mini concert in South Africa recently together with Marchouse, the rest of the musicians stayed in Kin, he's just an Ingrate.
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This is one guy that Ferre has treated so well and has gone with Ferre everywhere, he was with Ferre even at the mini concert in South Africa recently together with Marchouse, the rest of the musicians stayed in Kin, he's just an Ingrate.
maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
Yeah,very shameful indeed but all the same we understand since most band leaders are selfish, it is clear Ferre is stingy so any of his musicians would be tempted,am glad Chikito refused to go to Maison Mere and reported to Marchouse about the offers he got from Mukeba! ;D
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
Yeah,very shameful indeed but all the same we understand since most band leaders are selfish, it is clear Ferre is stingy so any of his musicians would be tempted,am glad Chikito refused to go to Maison Mere and reported to Marchouse about the offers he got from Mukeba! ;D
most leaders are stingy but those guys get one hell lot of money through other ways,its just that most of them have poor management of it,finishing in less than 5 hours in a nightclub what could start for them building of their house or stuff like that
for example those 5000 dollars i am sure nico will complete with money from mabanga and buy a second-hand version of a nice car and thats it
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
Yeah,very shameful indeed but all the same we understand since most band leaders are selfish, it is clear Ferre is stingy so any of his musicians would be tempted,am glad Chikito refused to go to Maison Mere and reported to Marchouse about the offers he got from Mukeba! ;D
most leaders are stingy but those guys get one hell lot of money through other ways,its just that most of them have poor management of it,finishing in less than 5 hours in a nightclub what could start for them building of their house or stuff like that
for example those 5000 dollars i am sure nico will complete with money from mabanga and buy a second-hand version of a nice car and thats it
You see,that's the problem with all of them.
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I have come to understand these musicians. They do a hell lot but don't get much. I'm one of the few guys who never blamed Ferre and company for leaving Werra. Ferre was Werra's chief and had previlledges others didn't hav but he left.These guys are adults and know wht is good for them. Ferre is also a bit stingy and its true marchouse wanted to leave but nico did a quick one and sankara also blew it up. So he remained and decided to impress Ferre hoping he will gain other than just trust.
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5000 dollars is not that much to change someones life but good use is paramount. It's not good on Nico's part to throw tantrums on Ferre, I have always believed that you should not insult where you have come from.
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and its true marchouse wanted to leave but nico did a quick one and sankara also blew it up. So he remained and decided to impress Ferre hoping he will gain other than just trust.
I think that is wishful thinking by Sankara and those close to Maison Mere. You previously rightly said that Marchouse cannot expect to become Coreen Accompa's boss or even be Artistic Director later on be close to Werra like Heritier and Kakol are.
Marchouse is the second in command and has high responsibilities in the band for which he's well paid by Ferre, I don't think he would be that foolish to leave all the privileges he gets being number 2 and artistic director for Ferre.
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
5000$ its nothing
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
5000$ its nothing
In Congo it is.
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He does a lot of work and not well paid as you think. Nico and Ferre came a long way. If those close were well paid he wouldn't dare. He did want to leave even if all logic tells us he shouldn't and he wasn't offered that much. A lot goes on with these bands than we see. Only after they leave that's when we learn the truth.
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He does a lot of work and not well paid as you think. Nico and Ferre came a long way. If those close were well paid he wouldn't dare. He did want to leave even if all logic tells us he shouldn't and he wasn't offered that much. A lot goes on with these bands than we see. Only after they leave that's when we learn the truth.
There is too much malicious talk when musicians leave their masters, it's all about trying to prove a point.
Nicodem has been with Ferre for 7 years now and so have been most of the musicians he's left behind, if they have not been getting anything from Ferre then why the hell stay all this long? Those cars they drive, the clothes they were, the food they eat, isn't all because of Ferre. It is the same even in all other groups, most of these bands make money because of tours, it is not Ferre's fault that congolese musicians cannot play in Europe and America now but looking at the rate of international performances in the last few years, Ferre has toured more with his band so the likes of Nicodem should just be grateful and move on to greener pastures quietly.
Anyway, lets not expect too much from these chaps, most are former street kids and have never been to school so their reasoning is shallow.
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From the videos i've seen from former musicans of congolese groups most leaders do not pay the musicians hence why the truth comes out when a member leaves obviously the Nicodem's affair is blown out of proportion. I watched a interview of Patou Makela former member of ferre's group he insisted that Ferre doesn't pay them at all but in reality it isn't just Ferre. Werra, JB, Wazekwa, Fally and co. do not pay the musicians adequately I think a human right laws needs to embraced or even contacting Minister of Arts for this issue to be minimized largely, this issue has been going on for a long time!
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I find it hard to accept that these musicians we see don't get anything from their bosses.
How come they have houses, big cars and travel to and from Europe on private visits.
Some of them have even become big, how do they manage to survive day to day? Look at Chikito for instance, check the way he looked when he first auditioned at Bandal 7 years ago even some of the chaps in Maison Mere, BCBG etc, we can see the difference. If they are not paid how come they've been stuck there?
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From own experience they live on relations of mabanga's I've met many musicians who earn a good amount of money from mabangas (minimum wage) but not official payments coming from the group.
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notice that the guys who go solo because they were not paid and so on do not pay their musicians either if we go by that logic
and the ministy of culture is one of the reasons of the fact musicians are not paid
if there was a true systerm of copyright,musicians would get money from that, and thats the money they are due
the money from sponsors and so on is something else
the problem is also that when guys join groups in most of the case they are very young,have no kids and are not carrying their whole family on their shoulders,then years after when they grow up they have bigger responsabilities so they need more mohey
but i maintain that if today government releases a law that there is no more matolo and money will only come from bosses,i bet whater you want that those employees who complain a lot will destroy the prime minister's office
being a bit in "the industry", i can assure everyone here that concerts in kinshasa generate next to nothing,those grand hotel shows or hotel venus,hotel du fleuve are free for a vast majority of those who attend,otherwise they would barely fill those halls,they just make sure halls are filled as it is good for their image
i am not talking about the past,but nowadays with the financial crisis
and then after concerts,musicians have massive and i mean massive taxes to pay to governament
its a bit too easy to fault only the leaders,its a whole system which is badly organized
another reason of those money problems is the number of musicians in groups, bcbg and maison mere if we count every single member including dancers administration guys bodyguards we are nearing 500 easily
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and lets not forget that even leaders are how they are thanks to mabanga and the other ways of getting money
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Yeah you're right Congo is not a rich country were the citizens can come pay for concerts every day and there's like 30 leaders who have concerts. but I'm surprised the musicians of the leaders don't get a salary from the concerts....don't they get paid from album sales?
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that's the fault of officers,who block that money for themselves
and like i said earlier concerts are not generating that much money,and as the result from all top artists,only koffi and fally are not depending week in week out from sponsors
and also lets be honest, what they really get from concerts can barely pay 10 musicians and satisfy them totally because except vip concerts and concepts like mayi ya pembe, concert tickets are you pay one or two primus or skol and you get a seat,and that money goes to bralima and bracongo
that's why europe concefts were so important for congolese musicians
the fact no musician has treated his musicians better than his former employee speaks a lot about how difficult the system is,even though for theiir promotion they show only the nice side on tv
it looks simple from the outside,but i think in order to satisfy their musicians, leaders would need to pay them with their personal money and not the group income(which are two different things if we take all parameters into account)
i think this is where frustration comes from with band members,they see leader having nice life and they think its only directly due to music,concerts cds and so on, and that leaders are just motema mabe,whereas most of the money our leaders get are due to their personal image and their business outside music(or the mabanga business aswell)
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album sales directly go the record label in terms of congolese music the producers, musicians make money from tours, concerts, mabangas and bralima's as archos stated
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Europe/Canada/USA/Australia concerts need to come back because you can't play concerts in a country where people can barely afford a loaf of bread and you don't get much of a profit....the combattants really need to stop with the ban.
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maybe the 5000 dollars he was offered got on his head
5000$ its nothing
You think so.......5000 USD in Zambia can buy you a reasonable plot of land....even 30 x30 ms of plot
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Europe/Canada/USA/Australia concerts need to come back because you can't play concerts in a country where people can barely afford a loaf of bread and you don't get much of a profit....the combattants really need to stop with the ban.
...Maybe Europe coz the last shows by JB and Fally in NYC only had 50+ in attendance with less than 1/3 Zaireans. And this was before the combattants, Kester's shows were so bad that even NY or Jersey wouldn't take the risk; Zaireans in the States just don't come out to support secular musicians...
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archos I thought that Bralima and Bracongo pays these musicians when they have local concerts? So does it mean that those bossy people I see in those VIP concerts don't pay much? Aaaaaaa!!! now I understand how hard it is to make money in music especially in Congo. Kenya has not been much known musically but I can say that its musicians are now getting a lot of money even more that the powerhouse musicians like the Congolese get. The corporate in Kenya is now paying one musician up to that 5000 dollars for a 2hr show or even just to be a Master of ceremony and take note that this is a single musician without a band. So to hear that Nico is paid 5000dollars to leave Ferre, then I say there is a problem up there. And again music industry in Congo is so overcrowded that you can be paid anything if you don't want then you're told to just leave as your replacement will be on the touchline.