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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: shamala on July 10, 2014, 18:30
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Found this on wikipedia..strange names beside the usual names ...and titles
Les Fondateurs
Didier Masela (basse/administrateur) 1981-1997 ; → Fondateur
Werrason Ngiama Makanda "Nkoyi de la forêt" (chanteur/administrateur) , 1981-1997 ; → Directeur-Financier (cofondateur)
Aimé Bwanga (basse), 1981-1986 ; (cofondateur)
Alain Mwanga "Docteur Zing" (solo, mi solo), 1981-1986 ; (cofondateur)
Jean-Belis Luvutula (cofondateur), 1981-1987 ; premier Président de l’orchestre (en 1981-1982) et chargé des relations publiques
Chanteurs
JB Mpiana "Mukulumpa" (administrateur), 1981-1997 ; → Président en remplacement de Jean-Belis Luvutula puis de Vieux Mavo à partir de 1985-1986
Machiro Kifaya, 1981-1982
Dede Masolo "Deno Star", 1981-1986 ;
Anibo Panzu, 1981-1986 ;
Blaise Bula Monga "Inénieur Celebu", 1981-1997 ; → Chef d'Orchestre n°1
Adolphe Dominguez Ebodja (danseur puis chanteur à partir de 1985) , 1981-1997 ; → Chef d'Orchestre n°2
Bienvenue Wes Koka 1982-1985 ;k
Ricoco Bulambemba "le fils de Mbulamatari", 1986-1991;
Alain Mpelasi Tshwakulenda, 1986-1997 ;
Marie Paul Kambulu "Atshisa Bélési", 1987-1991 ;
Manda Chante, 1987-1993 ;
Aimélia Lias Demingongo, 1993-1997 ;
Ferre Gola, 1995-1997.
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those guys were in the wenge that did not have a tv appearence yet
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machiro kifaya,amino panzu,Dede mssolo
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yes machiro kifaya aka chiro jazz'was werra's cousin,dedé masolo aka deno star became a pastor there is an old picture of him with them i just need to find it,anibo panzu was a tenorist who came in just after jb,the three singers before him were jb,werrra and deno who were sometimes singing on the same microphone together one song here and there before concerts of viva or zaiko or empire bakuba
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This list above is even incomplete!!
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This list above is even incomplete!!
there were even more?
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(http://i57.tinypic.com/10n8eux.jpg)
you can see pastor deno dédé masolo here with werra and co
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This list above is even incomplete!!
there were even more?
Oh yes,the list you put up is incomplete unless you didn't cut and paste well because if Ferre Gola who was one of the last to join can be on the list then where do we place Maitre Ficarre,Mboka Liya, Christian Mabanga, Ali Mbonda, Titina, Japonais,Patient Kusangila,Kaludji, Roberto,Theo Bidens even Seguin Mignon and many others who were in the background or before the band became massive and split up.
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This list above is even incomplete!!
there were even more?
Oh yes,the list you put up is incomplete unless you didn't cut and paste well
hahaha that us the problem of using a smartphone.. just learnt how to cut , copy and paste.however check it out , Google wenge musica wikipedia..you can confirm ifit is tthe whole list.
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the compete list
Didier Masela (bass / manager) 1981-1997; Founder →
Makanda Werrason Ngiama "Nkoyi forest" (singer / director), 1981-1997; → Chief Financial Officer (co-founder)
Loved Bwanga (bass), 1981-1986; (Co-founder)
Alain Mwanga "Zing Doctor" (solo, solo mid), 1981-1986; (Co-founder)
Jean-Belis Luvutula (co-founder), 1981-1987; first President of the orchestra (1981-1982) and public relations
Singers
JB Mpiana "Mukulumpa" (administrator), 1981-1997; → President replacing Jean-Belis Luvutula then Old Mavo from 1985-1986
Machiro Kifaya, 1981-1982
Dede Masolo "Deno Star", 1981-1986;
Anibo Panzu, 1981-1986;
Blaise Bula Monga "Inénieur Celebu", 1981-1997; → Conductor # 1
Adolphe Dominguez Ebodja (dancer and singer from 1985), 1981-1997; → Conductor # 2
Welcome Wes Koka 1982-1985;
Ricoco Bulambemba "the son of Mbulamatari", 1986-1991;
Alain Mpelasi Tshwakulenda, 1986-1997;
Marie Paul Kambulu "Atshisa Bélési", 1987-1991;
Manda Chante, 1987-1993;
Aimélia Lias Demingongo, 1993-1997;
Ferre Gola , 1995-1997.
Guitarists and keyboardists
Alain "Prince" Mabaka (solo, solo mid, bass, synthesizer, percussion / administrator) 1981-1997 → Artistic Director;
Christian Zitu (accompaniment) .1981 to 1985;
Djolina Mandudila (accompaniment), 1985-1992;
Kandimbo Eddy (bass), 1986-1989;
Blaise Kombo (dcd in July 1990) (mid-solo), 1986-1990;
Alain Mwepu (solo, solo mid), 1988-1993;
Delo Bass (bass), 1989-1990;
Patient Kusangila Lutu (accompaniment, bass), 1989-1997;
Aridjana Solo (solo mid), 1984-1990
Schoolboy Zola (accompaniment), 1988-1992
Christian Mwepu Mabanga (bass), 1990-1997
Master Ficarré Mwamba (solo, solo mid), 1991-1997;
Kalala desired "Syntha-syntha" (Synthesizer), 1991-1993;
Burkina Faso Mbokaliya (solo, solo mid), 1993-1997;
Japanese Kambuku Maladi (solo, solo mid, bass), 1996-1997.
Theo Bidens Kiavuanga (Synthesizer), 1996-1997
Son Zamuangana Savimpi (accompaniment), 1996-1997;
Percussionists
Ladin Montana (drums) 1981-1987;
Evo Nsiona Adiataki (drum) 1981-1988;
Maradona Lontomba (drums) 1981-1990;
Pipo la Musica (drums) 1987-1989;
Titina Mbwinga "Al Capone" (drums) 1988-1997;
Don Pierrot Mbonda (drum / drums) 1988-1993;
Ali Mbonda (drum) 1993-1997
Seguin Mignon Bongongo (drum / drums) 1996-1997.
Facilitators
Kennedy Mbala "na ba Mputu", 1988-1989;
Full King, 1986-1993;
Roberto Wunda Ekokota, 1988-1997;
Tutu Caludji, 1993-1997.
Dancers
Mama Rosa (dancer) from 1990 to 1991
Nana Boanga (dancer / singer) 1993-1996;
Carine Evoloko (dancer) 1993-1995; ''
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So Mpiana was not among the founders, how he became president?
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they had decided the roles after a reunion,and the fact former president mavo who was not a musician lost his head
then they picked jb president,werra financial director(and the second president behind the scenes),only makaba's role was natural as artistic director
you'll notice that it's the president and financial director who had the biggest conflict when they grew up and really understood what it meant
then there was tata as vice president and blaise as chef d orchestre but they did not have a massive role except of their singing duties
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they had decided the roles after a reunion,and the fact former president mavo who was not a musician lost his head
then they picked jb president,werra financial director(and the second president behind the scenes),only makaba's role was natural as artistic director
you'll notice that it's the president and financial director who had the biggest conflict when they grew up and really understood what it meant
then there was tata as vice president and blaise as chef d orchestre but they did not have a massive role except of their singing duties
That was a problem, having a president and a defacto president.
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I wonder if Didier Masela, Adolphe Dominguez and Werrason were close friends?
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yes all of them,including the simple employees(most of them) they became like family;but of course once on stage or rehearsal the relationship was professional
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Thanks for the answer Archos. I asked because I know some time ago, Werrason tried to convince Didier Masela to comeback but of course he did not.
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It looks like the Werra and Makaba ran the group; their positions were key on in charge of music and the other the finances. Maybe one day a respected journalist will sit the two down to get a good breakdown of the rise and fall of Wenge.
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yes they occupied important strategic posiitions,but to say they ran the group impossible, the 4 administrators werra,mukulu,masela,makaba share responsabilities
for example jb and makaba were signing contracts,werra was getting the money and sharing it with the admins plus blaise and tata
masela was however the least influent
theirs skills were complementary which help wenge reach the top
like werra's cousin kija brown said in an interview about a book he is writing,wenge is werra jb makaba and a bit masela
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yes they occupied important strategic posiitions,but to say they ran the group impossible, the 4 administrators werra,mukulu,masela,makaba share responsabilities
for example jb and makaba were signing contracts,werra was getting the money and sharing it with the admins plus blaise and tata
masela was however the least influent
theirs skills were complementary which help wenge reach the top
like werra's cousin kija brown said in an interview about a book he is writing,wenge is werra jb makaba and a bit masela
With Makaba stay in Europe most of the time, Werra and JB shared the Supreme leadership of the group, on most Concerts you could see Werra Directing band members what to do, he even had powers to suspend musicians, After the release of Feux D amour JB became more popular and in result wanted to strengthen his position as a supreme leader of the group, which Werra wouldnt agree to cede some powers
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yes they occupied important strategic posiitions,but to say they ran the group impossible, the 4 administrators werra,mukulu,masela,makaba share responsabilities
for example jb and makaba were signing contracts,werra was getting the money and sharing it with the admins plus blaise and tata
masela was however the least influent
theirs skills were complementary which help wenge reach the top
like werra's cousin kija brown said in an interview about a book he is writing,wenge is werra jb makaba and a bit masela
With Makaba stay in Europe most of the time, Werra and JB shared the Supreme leadership of the group, on most Concerts you could see Werra Directing band members what to do, he even had powers to suspend musicians, After the release of Feux D amour JB became more popular and in result wanted to strengthen his position as a supreme leader of the group, which Werra wouldnt agree to cede some powers
Like in most cases the likeable personality was elected to preside but the master minds were Makanda and Makaba; my take...
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yes werra was the guy at the forefront(with his huge strategic sense and leadership abilities),jb was the image of the group and more into human relationships(which helped him in having most musicians with him during the split),makaba was the artistic mastermind who knew how to use each of them in order to make them give their best and fight againt their weaknesses(being an extreme perfectionist)
but they were making important decisions together(with masela sometimes pissing them to death loooooooooool)
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yes they occupied important strategic posiitions,but to say they ran the group impossible, the 4 administrators werra,mukulu,masela,makaba share responsabilities
for example jb and makaba were signing contracts,werra was getting the money and sharing it with the admins plus blaise and tata
masela was however the least influent
theirs skills were complementary which help wenge reach the top
like werra's cousin kija brown said in an interview about a book he is writing,wenge is werra jb makaba and a bit masela
With Makaba stay in Europe most of the time, Werra and JB shared the Supreme leadership of the group, on most Concerts you could see Werra Directing band members what to do, he even had powers to suspend musicians, After the release of Feux D amour JB became more popular and in result wanted to strengthen his position as a supreme leader of the group, which Werra wouldnt agree to cede some powers
I believe JB had more the of the charisma than Werrason. I believe Adolphe and Didier Masela were the ones who were not impressed with JB Mpiana which I believe was the reason why they joined Werrason.
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yes werra was the guy at the forefront(with his huge strategic sense and leadership abilities),jb was the image of the group and more into human relationships(which helped him in having most musicians with him during the split),makaba was the artistic mastermind who knew how to use each of them in order to make them give their best and fight againt their weaknesses(being an extreme perfectionist)
but they were making important decisions together(with masela sometimes pissing them to death loooooooooool)
Had to dig out this thread. How was Masela pissing them off and why is it that he was less influential than the others even though he was Fondateur?
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what happened with masela is that he was so nice with jb and werra when they were not yet a proven group than when crazy success arrived they dominated him but in reunions he was often the one who disagreed the most with stuff like keeping money between admins and giving a ridicilously low amount of money to mbuta kiss to pay musicians
so sometimes they'd spend hours and hours since masela kept raising points against the way jb and werra wanted the group to be ruled
or he'd do some stuff to express his disagreement,at some point in 1995 or something like that jb and werra found a way to avoid giving him his part of the money so what he was doing is that he'd go to their houses and annoy them hard or he'd take by force the car key and allow you to move only when he gets his money
if you notice well,makaba and masela started losing power from the moment they had back ups in mabanga,ficarre,burkina,japonais it fuelled jb and werra with the idea that they can live without them anyways if they are too unhappy since they had found guys who could cover well
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Hahaha. He would make a very effective debt collector. So all the leaders where in on underpaying/not paying the other staff except JB? since you mentioned that he would sometimes use his own money to pay them when they would go to complain to him president.
And I have always believed that it's difficult to be influential in a band if you are an instrumentalist unless you become the undisputed leader like Grande Maitre Franco and Papa Lutumba or Roga Roga. Since that as a guitarist or drummer you are not always in the spotlight.
And who joined earlier between Afande and Amelia? I have always thought that Amelia joined earlier but here on this this thread it says Afande joined earlier.
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Alain Mpela joined in 1986. Giving to Werrason the song Nicky D and contributing alot in making songs. Till this day Marie Paul don’t like to admit in tv that Alain Mpela joined earlier than him. He sung the chorus in Mulolo. He had to participate on the Kin-E-Bouge album, but he had exams which made Marie Paul go to Europe instead him and doing his vocals on Kaskin.
Amelia joined in 1992/93 along with Tutu Calugi to replace Manda Chante who left after his illness.
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Hahaha. He would make a very effective debt collector. So all the leaders where in on underpaying/not paying the other staff except JB? since you mentioned that he would sometimes use his own money to pay them when they would go to complain to him president.
And I have always believed that it's difficult to be influential in a band if you are an instrumentalist unless you become the undisputed leader like Maitre Franco and Papa Lutumba or Roga Roga. Since that as a guitarist or drummer you are not always in the spotlight.
And who joined earlier between Afande and Amelia? I have always thought that Amelia joined earlier but here on this this thread it says Afande joined earlier.
indeed like mvulusi said alain joined in 86
when i talked about jb paying them it was in private,the money would go like jb werra adolphe masela makaba blaise sharing 90 Per cent of the money the rest given something symbolic,like 50 dollars 100 max
but then in private,if they went to jb's house to ask for money for a problem he'd give them and thats partly why(hopefully this part will not be badly interpreted) the group followed him more easily because some of the other leaders even between themselves when one came with a problem bigger than what they share,some were refusing to give money(i prefere not giving names lol) let alone the nobody's of then like ali mbonda,seguin and co