Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on July 25, 2014, 11:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=TQrWs7cmnF8
He claims for a number of years now his two former employers have been trying to have him deported back to Congo from the UK where he's previously been detained by immigration twice. The first time he was detained is when he left BCBG mid tour, he was detained at Gatwick but claimed asylum and was released and given a house in Birmingham. He was also detained recently, he says it's because of an interview he gave early 2014 in which he denounced the two musicians. He says they've been working underground with their people to have him deported but he thanks the UK govt because their respect the law and they've proved that the two musicians have criminal records and are the guilty ones. He also accuses them of witchcraft ie sacrificing people in order to have success in their careers.
He even says the two artists are finished since him,Makaba and Titina left them because it's them who made the music.
The man has spoken a lot but basically he's literally trying to strengthen his case with the UK immigration officials so that he has permanent stay here, it's the same thing that other musicians and dancers do when they leave, they make wild accusations against their former employers once they arrive in Europe.
We'll see how this ends up but quite interesting..... :D
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What i am happy about is what he says about titina, makaba and himself.....its true that these guys were the ones behind wenge musica sound structure.
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Now, is he married or what?? How does he survive in a foreign nation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=TQrWs7cmnF8
He claims for a number of years now his two former employers have been trying to have him deported back to Congo from the UK where he's previously been detained by immigration twice. The first time he was detained is when he left BCBG mid tour, he was detained at Gatwick but claimed asylum and was released and given a house in Birmingham. He was also detained recently, he says it's because of an interview he gave early 2014 in which he denounced the two musicians. He says they've been working underground with their people to have him deported but he thanks the UK govt because their respect the law and they've proved that the two musicians have criminal records and are the guilty ones. He also accuses them of witchcraft ie sacrificing people in order to have success in their careers.
He even says the two artists are finished since him,Makaba and Titina left them because it's them who made the music.
The man has spoken a lot but basically he's literally trying to strengthen his case with the UK immigration officials so that he has permanent stay here, it's the same thing that other musicians and dancers do when they leave, they make wild accusations against their former employers once they arrive in Europe.
We'll see how this ends up but quite interesting..... :D
I don't understand is he struggling in life? If you check other soloists are doing pretty well.eg kimbangu, meleso and mbetenge.
he is too good to be struggling .
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trust me when i say this, he's struggling big time....i saw him 3 weeks ago in some Kermes in Forest Gate where he plays every sundays with other UK musicians....he looks like a mad person calling people younger than him vieux
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I was talking to my good friend Renato who is currently on holiday in Kinshasa, he is good friends with Mboka Liya and he says most of the things Mboka Liya has said are true including the issues about black magic in music!
Now on struggling, he may not have a good job or not be part of a major band but he's not suffering as you think,at least he doesn't have to beg. As he's been recognised as someone seeking asylum,he's been permitted to work and if he doesn't work, he still gets enough support to enable him have a roof over his head, have food on the table and wear decent cloths without having to beg that's just how good the UK immigration system is, the little shows he does with others every weekend is mainly for fun,the little change they get is just a bonus, most of the guys have jobs and that includes Renato himself and other musicians including the likes of Biku Le Bruin who was also with Wenge BCBG.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=TQrWs7cmnF8
He claims for a number of years now his two former employers have been trying to have him deported back to Congo from the UK where he's previously been detained by immigration twice. The first time he was detained is when he left BCBG mid tour, he was detained at Gatwick but claimed asylum and was released and given a house in Birmingham. He was also detained recently, he says it's because of an interview he gave early 2014 in which he denounced the two musicians. He says they've been working underground with their people to have him deported but he thanks the UK govt because their respect the law and they've proved that the two musicians have criminal records and are the guilty ones. He also accuses them of witchcraft ie sacrificing people in order to have success in their careers.
He even says the two artists are finished since him,Makaba and Titina left them because it's them who made the music.
The man has spoken a lot but basically he's literally trying to strengthen his case with the UK immigration officials so that he has permanent stay here, it's the same thing that other musicians and dancers do when they leave, they make wild accusations against their former employers once they arrive in Europe.
We'll see how this ends up but quite interesting..... :D
I have always liked Burkina Faso and he is one of my all time guitarists. But on this, i got to pull him for talking bollocks. JB & Werra don't even remember Mboka Liya to even think of deporting him. He left BCBG, when he was virtually playing second fiddle to Patou Solo so why would JB want him back? This is not about music but a much sinister motive.
Building a profile of your so called enemies is a classic tried and proven method to enhance an asylum claim in UK. From the little he has given in the interview, one can surmise that he still hasn't been given leave to remain in the UK. The UK does not detain refugees granted leave to remain unless they committed serious crimes, that warrant exclusion from the Refugee Convention. One can conclude that when Burkina Faso claimed asylum, his case was based on the premise that he is at risk from JB & Werra, therefore fears a return to Congo. The video is being used to make outlandish claims and "build evidence" to submit to Immigration............crafty little devil.
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I was talking to my good friend Renato who is currently on holiday in Kinshasa, he is good friends with Mboka Liya and he says most of the things Mboka Liya has said are true including the issues about black magic in music!
Now on struggling, he may not have a good job or not be part of a major band but he's not suffering as you think,at least he doesn't have to beg. As he's been recognised as someone seeking asylum,he's been permitted to work and if he doesn't work, he still gets enough support to enable him have a roof over his head, have food on the table and wear decent cloths without having to beg that's just how good the UK immigration system is, the little shows he does with others every weekend is mainly for fun,the little change they get is just a bonus, most of the guys have jobs and that includes Renato himself and other musicians including the likes of Biku Le Bruin who was also with Wenge BCBG.
Thanks for the clarification... he sounds bitter.
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I have always liked Burkina Faso and he is one of my all time guitarists. But on this, i got to pull him for talking bollocks. JB & Werra don't even remember Mboka Liya to even think of deporting him. He left BCBG, when he was virtually playing second fiddle to Patou Solo so why would JB want him back? This is not about music but a much sinister motive.
Building a profile of your so called enemies is a classic tried and proven method to enhance an asylum claim in UK. From the little he has given in the interview, one can surmise that he still hasn't been given leave to remain in the UK. The UK does not detain refugees granted leave to remain unless they committed serious crimes, that warrant exclusion from the Refugee Convention. One can conclude that when Burkina Faso claimed asylum, his case was based on the premise that he is at risk from JB & Werra, therefore fears a return to Congo. The video is being used to make outlandish claims and "build evidence" to submit to Immigration............crafty little devil.
Indeed Maitre Werra, it's a calculated move and a bad one for that matter. He's an ingrate. He may have some truth in his sentiments but this is not the sort of stuff you spill in public because as you rightly say, Werra and JB don't care about him anymore, he's not the only one to run away from a band mid or after tour in Europe so on this one he's alone and the comments by some of the followers on youtube show.l
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Thanks for the clarification... he sounds bitter.
He sounds bitter because of his own ignorance. The people he's mentioning don't give a monkeys about him, maybe some of those people's fans are the ones trying to mess him about.
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what makes the asylum seeking theory even clearer is the fact he now claims to be a combattant(mainly based on his supposed conflicts with werra and jb)
he knows many of the combattants hate them because of personal problems so maybe they can support him since now he is in their camp
that strategy has been used a lot and since the other guys are diven by their hate they help them thinking they are on the same boat
of course jb and werra are not angels, but if they really want to do something bad to mboka its not now almost ten years after it would happen
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what makes the asylum seeking theory even clearer is the fact he now claims to be a combattant(mainly based on his supposed conflicts with werra and jb)
he knows many of the combattants hate them because of personal problems so maybe they can support him since now he is in their camp
that strategy has been used a lot and since the other guys are diven by their hate they help them thinking they are on the same boat
of course jb and werra are not angels, but if they really want to do something bad to mboka its not now almost ten years after it would happen
Oh yeah. I really feel for him, he's live to regret this. The same goes for JF Ifonge, the guys are going crazy with their funny allegations and I look forward to the day one of them will come face to face with their victims, you can run but you can't hide.
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So pity for kind of guys like Mboka Liya et al for what he is experiencing now, I rated him so high, may be among the top ten soloists ever emerged in DRC, unfortunately enough he has been trapped in the same hell hole like other good musicians emerged in DRC.
Lack of focus, vision, entrepreneurship skills, and more above all egocentric syndrome has drained away endowed personal gift in music arena. These people need to remember having enormous personal talent is one thing and transforming and actualizing the same into bumper harvest is another thing. Very few persons have been blessed with both and have managed to build fortresses which are ruling the world.
There are many examples of Mboka Liya's cases where they end up with blame shift games and crying for spoilt milk. The worst enemy in the world is no one else other than "self".
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Mboka Liya is simply suffering from schizophrenia...its obvious
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Lack of focus, vision, entrepreneurship skills
On the contrary, Mboka Liya is quite focussed and with the little resources he's got he's set up his own small recording studio just like his other friend Jeannot Bell and they are working with a good number of UK based Congolese musicians, am sure when he has the right papers and funding he will be able to expand his studio and become more professional.
What I find wrong in his attacks is the ridiculous claims of the two ex bosses personally wanted him expelled from the UK,i don't think it's true but to be honest, based on what we've read and seen over the years, he's happy to be in London with his own decent rented home and having decent food and able to raise little money than being in one Congolese band working so hard and only being paid peanuts after concerts. This is the reason why most of the musicians who go abroad never return to Kinshasa, most are happy doing regular jobs and then doing music over the weekends in small clubs, it's good life for them and I don't blame them.
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I think I know the problem. See musicians like Burkina Faso Mboka Liya and JF Ifonge are doing a strategy to get the big stars since they were not so lucky. Now they either in small clubs or in religion. They are using their spots to convince people that their bosses or colleagues are nothing but devil worshiper than things in that nature. That way they can get some sympathy. I think Faso and others want sympathy since they never got the fame like their colleagues or bosses.
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Damn this guy looks homeless, God forgive me but this guy looks like one of those hobos who play for money on the streets and carry signs asking for donations. Can't believe this is the guy who played on one of the most successful African albums which is Kibuisa Mpimpa.
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You're right Franco Pepe Kalle, it's sympathy and largely to make their asylum cases stronger.
People like JF Ifonge are fake Christians because a true christian does not go about slandering other people, a true christian preaches the gospel and love.
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Damn this guy looks homeless, God forgive me but this guy looks like one of those hobos who play for money on the streets and carry signs asking for donations. Can't believe this is the guy who played on one of the most successful African albums which is Kibuisa Mpimpa.
I heard he was a goatherder before moving to the city and starting music professionally so forgive him for the lack of swag. ;D
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Damn this guy looks homeless, God forgive me but this guy looks like one of those hobos who play for money on the streets and carry signs asking for donations. Can't believe this is the guy who played on one of the most successful African albums which is Kibuisa Mpimpa.
Jdog, I am person who feels bad when I see a guy with potential either suffering or not using his potential. JB Mpiana has few soloists now and instead of mboka going back to bcbg, he is saying all this that will take him deeper into poverty.
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Damn this guy looks homeless, God forgive me but this guy looks like one of those hobos who play for money on the streets and carry signs asking for donations. Can't believe this is the guy who played on one of the most successful African albums which is Kibuisa Mpimpa.
I heard he was a goatherder before moving to the city and starting music professionally so forgive him for the lack of swag. ;D
Sly, are you serious? Goat care taker?
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Sly, are you serious? Goat care taker?
Yes indeed. ;D
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hahahaha guys this reminds of an argument between him and manda in his short time with el paris in studio,he was moaning about almost everything and manda told him to shut up or they will send him back to village to take care of goats(not in a rude way but a funny one ii think) and marie paul depitsho and co were laughing so hard
sometimes he also got that type of stick but it was coming from the group member he can stand the least of earth,seguin,so he went very angry but funnily enough jb was laughing very hard at them instead of telling them to calm down lol
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hahahaha guys this reminds of an argument between him and manda in his short time with el paris in studio,he was moaning about almost everything and manda told him to shut up or they will send him back to village to take care of goats(not in a rude way but a funny one ii think) and marie paul depitsho and co were laughing so hard
sometimes he also got that type of stick but it was coming from the group member he can stand the least of earth,seguin,so he went very angry but funnily enough jb was laughing very hard at them instead of telling them to calm down lol
Kiekiekiekiekie, I can imagine how pissed off he must have been being teased like that. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Damn this guy looks homeless, God forgive me but this guy looks like one of those hobos who play for money on the streets and carry signs asking for donations. Can't believe this is the guy who played on one of the most successful African albums which is Kibuisa Mpimpa.
I heard he was a goatherder before moving to the city and starting music professionally so forgive him for the lack of swag. ;D
That was like 20-30 years ago, that has nothing to do with his attire.
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That was like 20-30 years ago, that has nothing to do with his attire.
There some people who really don't give a toss about material possessions especially clothes. There was one time I was like that,i didn't care about the label I wore as long as I looked good,i only changed when I went deeper into Congolese music and I must say it's not a good thing being addicted to labels, you always mind what you wear,it's a stupid thing in the end coz it affects your finances big time.
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That was like 20-30 years ago, that has nothing to do with his attire.
There some people who really don't give a toss about material possessions especially clothes. There was one time I was like that,i didn't care about the label I wore as long as I looked good,i only changed when I went deeper into Congolese music and I must say it's not a good thing being addicted to labels, you always mind what you wear,it's a stupid thing in the end coz it affects your finances big time.
Yeah you have a point there.
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There was one time I was like that,i didn't care about the label I wore as long as I looked good,i only changed when I went deeper into Congolese music and I must say it's not a good thing being addicted to labels, you always mind what you wear,it's a stupid thing in the end coz it affects your finances big time.
my sickness ...hahaha even when shopping I always have to remember what shoes,belt or hat it has to go with...problems I say..
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my sickness ...hahaha even when shopping I always have to remember what shoes,belt or hat it has to go with...problems I say..
It is a serious sickness when you start this sapeur business. ;D ;D