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Music => Congolese Music => Werrason & Wenge Maison Mere Discussion => Topic started by: archos on August 04, 2014, 11:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHmfdFCK3p0
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ANALEEETA MAAAMBO - YOYOYOOOO - MUSICHOKEEEE
Thanks Archos.
Mersic a ADT.
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Bercy, Lobeso and Prince put up a superb performance. Finally Bercy is brought back the energy and competetion in the ataluku department. It was a great performance. Werra knows how to use this Bercy guy.
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...Fikin Impressive...
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Bercy, Lobeso and Prince put up a superb performance. Finally Bercy is brought back the energy and competetion in the ataluku department. It was a great performance. Werra knows how to use this Bercy guy.
this is exactly what his former boss wazekwa said in some interviews and also in private, he says he knew werra would put his career back on the right track and help him to keep growing since he is still quite young
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Bercy, Lobeso and Prince put up a superb performance. Finally Bercy is brought back the energy and competetion in the ataluku department. It was a great performance. Werra knows how to use this Bercy guy.
this is exactly what his former boss wazekwa said in some interviews and also in private, he says he knew werra would put his career back on the right track and help him to keep growing since he is still quite young
This is the same reason why most Igwe fans can overlook the polemic and appriciate what he does for the youth and the future of Zairean muzik as a whole; I honestly thought Bula would blaise on the other end as well but he has dropped the ball...
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Let's wait for Bercy's studio work not these small extracts, he needs to aim to do one whole generique by himself before we can say he's really good, two lines here and there with some catchy lyrics just won't cut, Werra and the fans at La Zamba easily notice when one runs out of steam and when they do you're done, they'll find ways of kicking you out.
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Let's wait for Bercy's studio work not these small extracts, he needs to aim to do one whole generique by himself before we can say he's really good, two lines here and there with some catchy lyrics just won't cut, Werra and the fans at La Zamba easily notice when one runs out of steam and when they do you're done, they'll find ways of kicking you out.
I have a felling Bercy will do his best work to date in Dessert Ingeta and even you will be impressed by it.
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ANALEEETA MAAAMBO - YOYOYOOOO - MUSICHOKEEEE
Thanks Archos.
Mersic a ADT.
hahaha kijana umefurahiii eeh,
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Let's wait for Bercy's studio work not these small extracts, he needs to aim to do one whole generique by himself before we can say he's really good, two lines here and there with some catchy lyrics just won't cut, Werra and the fans at La Zamba easily notice when one runs out of steam and when they do you're done, they'll find ways of kicking you out.
I have a felling Bercy will do his best work to date in Dessert Ingeta and even you will be impressed by it.
It's not about feelings or visions, let him do proper work first then we talk later.
Although most of you claim Ferre didn't give this guy chance or deleted his work,he was actually given chance but what did he do from the beginning, he started by doing a coupe decalle generique on the maxi single ''Avant Gout'' and when it came to the main album, Boite Noire, ''he just had a few lines here and there and kept repeating them, he tried on the second generique ''Kibombanda'' but again the same lyrics especially and we heard from Ferre's people that those lyrics were actually originally written by Kirikou so let this small boy stop jumping about and create something to match or beat Sololá Bien or Intervention Rapide by Bill Mukeba Kalondji.
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Sly, Bercy had a whole generique to himself where did most of the same animation and he didn't repeat himself and it looks like his work in Ingeta will be nice and even better then what he has ever done before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl7VGF9L2HI
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Hahaha I just noticed that Bercy's animation at the end was aimed at Blaise Bula :D :D
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There's nothing much there where proper animation is concerned especially when he has to engage the fans as he keeps pausing and repeating the same things. Animation has to be structured well not just random shouting. People have to remember the story in the animation or at least it should come with a proper dance not boxing moves he's doing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkoyrffpzFk
So this is Bercy : 2:28 (Sakana Mbangu)
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Let's wait for Bercy's studio work not these small extracts, he needs to aim to do one whole generique by himself before we can say he's really good, two lines here and there with some catchy lyrics just won't cut, Werra and the fans at La Zamba easily notice when one runs out of steam and when they do you're done, they'll find ways of kicking you out.
I have a felling Bercy will do his best work to date in Dessert Ingeta and even you will be impressed by it.
It's not about feelings or visions, let him do proper work first then we talk later.
Although most of you claim Ferre didn't give this guy chance or deleted his work,he was actually given chance but what did he do from the beginning, he started by doing a coupe decalle generique on the maxi single ''Avant Gout'' and when it came to the main album, Boite Noire, ''he just had a few lines here and there and kept repeating them, he tried on the second generique ''Kibombanda'' but again the same lyrics especially and we heard from Ferre's people that those lyrics were actually originally written by Kirikou so let this small boy stop jumping about and create something to match or beat Sololá Bien or Intervention Rapide by Bill Mukeba Kalondji.
Unlike Ferre, Werra knows how to get the best out of his musicians, Bercy of Maison Merre is different from that of Ferre
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There's nothing much there where proper animation is concerned especially when he has to engage the fans as he keeps pausing and repeating the same things. Animation has to be structured well not just random shouting. People have to remember the story in the animation or at least it should come with a proper dance not boxing moves he's doing.
That boxing dance Bercy did is a dance within its self and engages with the fans to get them involved like how singers and other animators do.
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Animation has to be structured well not just random shouting.
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Tell that to Papa Wemba 8)
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That boxing dance Bercy did is a dance within its self and engages with the fans to get them involved like how singers and other animators do.
I well know that but animation is not just about that.
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Tell that to Papa Wemba 8)
Do you actually understand and speak lingala very well? I want to know your level of understanding of the lyrics of animation.
Animation is not just about ''yo,kota, simba, beta maboko,lelelele,'' when animation was introduced, it had meaning, people had to listen to the ataluku and dance in line with what the ataluku was saying, the ataluku also controls the flow of the music in sebene so if the ataluku is disorganised and so will the music that's why you find Werrason producing rather long and disorganised sebenes even though some parts are catchy and powerful owing to guitarists and the drummer's experience and style of play.
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Sly na yebi langue na nga tres tres bien, and I see your point about the animation until the Werra part because part from Suite Et Fin Werra has never made a horrible generique.
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Sly na yebi langue na nga tres tres bien, and I see your point about the animation until the Werra part because part from Suite Et Fin Werra has never made a horrible generique.
As we have different individuals and have tastes we cannot always agree on what is good or bad about a musician so I appreciate your point of view about Werra's generiques but in my opinion, I think Werra has clearly been struggling were overall arrangement including animation is concerned and correctly from the album Suite et Fin. On the album Suite et Fin, the only sebene that makes sense is the on Papy Kakol's song Nzambe aza Malamu and it's all thanx to Brigade Sarbati.
After Celeo's Scram's departure,Brigade took animation to a different level though full of explicit lyrics or betise as they say. The other atalukus have been wasting Werra's time and messed up his music in that their animation has clearly no story just random rants and screams so it's been up to instrumentalists to make the sebenes danceable otherwise if you just follow the current animation in Maison Mere, you would just be a fool on the dancefloor as what the atalukus say is nonsense.
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Sly, you don't think Lobeso and Digeo Cao are good animators? And who(if you do) do you like in Maison Mere? (animators)
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Sly, you don't think Lobeso and Digeo Cao are good animators? And who(if you do) do you like in Maison Mere?
Diego is like BCBG's Cellulaire, very good voice and constructs his animation very well in a clear voice but not very creative, his animation is limited and he cannot fill half a sebene,this is also Bercy Muana's problem.,i will post one generique on which he featured,his voice can be irritating sometimes coz he screams. Ambulance is a good ataluku,i like him and want to listen more to him before i judge him but so far am impressed and if i were Werra i would use him much. There is another ataluku i have forgotten who rarely appears on stage now but he sounds good. Liboka or whoever he is,that chap who was with Adolphe's Tonya Tonya with a rough voice is an imposter ataluku. Prince is a good ataluku,very creative Lobeso is good ataluku but crap voice and he's in the wrong band,his type of animation is not for clan Wenge .He's more of a traditional singer, he's best suited for Swede Swede,Bayuda du Congo and Mabele Elisi's type of music in native languages.
This is the music which suits Lobesoand don't get me wrong it's excellent music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEFR9O4A74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFeo476MsDQ
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Sly I see your point on Diego Cao, I also seen a video where Diego Cao was doig falsetto animation when he was with Wenge Tonya Tonya and Liboka is a nice animator and he did some on his animation he did in Ingeta in a interview and it sounded good. Lobeso can animate on sebene just fine and what's wrong with doing folklore type animation it brings a whole different flavour to Maison Mere sebene and you can't tell me you didn't dance to his animation in Mayi Ya Sika and too me Angola/Ambulance or whatever country or emergency responder vechile he wants to name himself is a faux atalaku who just yells all the time hopefully in Dessert Ingeta he proves me wrong.
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Jdog, as we've had this conversation several time now, I think i'll say it for the last time and let me make it long.
Every musician or band has an identity and standards, individual musicians in a band have to meet or beat those standards. Some musicians try to bring a bit of change,some of it is good but some is not. Lobeso has not added value to Wenge Maison Mere's music, he's a liability and that's why fans acted the way they did on the day Bercy Muana auditioned, it's because they realised Bercy had brought back the style they wanted.
The last ten years, Werrason has spent a lot of time and money trying to find musicians who sound like Ferre, Bill and company, it is not just for the sake of it, it's because his first band gave him and his music an identity that fans got accustomed to. We've had musicians who have gone through Maison Mere and brought positive change,for instance Brigade, his new style at Maison Mere brought positive change,apart from explicit lyrics there's nothing to complain about on him.
It is not the first time that you're defending Lobeso for his forklore animation and I have said it always that I have no problem with forklore. It would be nice to know what tribe you are maybe then I would understand why you are always in defence of Lobeso and his forklore but basically, when I want to listen to forklore, I have musicians I listen to. There's a limit to anything, we've had bands do a bit of mutuashi in their songs, maybe a minute max just to spice up. Listen to Tshala Muana, she's a good singer but sticks to what she knows best as that's what fans identify her with, yes, mutuashi, when fans wanted rhumba, she brought in a young singer Meje30 to do rhumba and she produced her separately,it's about strategy.
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Sly like you just admitted fans liked Bercy because he is similar to Bill in (terms of voice and charisma) although I think Kene Kene was good. And like you said bands do something different for a minute to spice it up and that's what Lobeso has done, besides his animation on Temps Present he really hasn't done the folklore type of animation (not counting Diata Bawu because it's a folklore generique).
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Sly like you just admitted fans liked Bercy because he is similar to Bill in (terms of voice and charisma) although I think Kene Kene was good. And like you said bands do something different for a minute to spice it up and that's what Lobeso has done, besides his animation on Temps Present he really hasn't done the folklore type of animation (not counting Diata Bawu because it's a folklore generique).
Fans like Bercy because of his voice and stage antics quite alright but that doesn't make him similar to Bill where animation is concerned but yes, he's following in Bill's footsteps quite alight and as he himself says Bill is his idol maybe he should consider hanging out or getting tips from Bill at his home as Bill has said a lot of the atalukus in other bands consult him or go to his home to work with him privately.
If you cannot hear any forklore in Maison Mere's sebenes after the album Temps Present then I don't know,you probably need some help! ;D ;D
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...Those short catchy calls from Bercy keep both the stage and the fans on the same tempo; that is his ID as for lyrics he can buy from the best just like others.
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Archos, R those Fikin concerts still sponsored by PRIMUS? I dont see their big Banner and the stage seems smaller than previous years
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yes,but that concert was not for primus i think because there is zero sign of primus, werra has many sponsors so maybe its for one of them and they primus in the next concert
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Bercy Muana
http://youtu.be/vpWvDvKs5lY
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The WMM style suits Bercy so much and he is really enjoying the attention. He likes that. He is already a darling amongst fans. He does what we want at La Zamba and we have been waiting for that for a long time.
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WITH REGARDS TO WMM, MOST OF THE TIME WE EXPECT NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM SLY.,
A FAIR QUESTION :
SLY, Base of Bercy's performance on Fikin (you have seen the preview) which is better : the Boxing yo yoyooo of Kobeta Mayi?
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WITH REGARDS TO WMM, MOST OF THE TIME WE EXPECT NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM SLY.,
This is a silly remark. I am not a blind fan. I do not like Werrason's persona but i like his music and his seriousness in entertaining his fans.Werrason has been struggling for the last few years it's because he seems to recruit musicians based on the approval of blind fans at La Zamba. Most of the atalukus he's recruited have been useless and failed to shine elsewhere so why should i hide that fact.
Wehn Bercy was with Wazekwa all we remember him for is ''zala na mbangu ,zala na mbangu'' which he kept repeating,no serious animation and no proper dance to go with the animation.
He joined Ferre, showed some good signs at his audition at Mayi Ya Pembe but when it came to studio time he did fuckall and when he had a problem with one of the atalukus, he got sidelined,it's because he wasn't considered to be good and was a waste of time so now he's with Maison Mere, still shouting here and there and no proper animation. This guy is so far away from the level that Celeo and Bill were, even Roi David could go on the mic with proper animation longer than this Bercy is doing just jumping about on stage and engaging fans as he shouts out some irregular calls,that is not proper animation as we know it so when i despise his work it doesn't mean i always say negative things about Maison Mere and if you think i say negative stuff then why end by asking me a question,stick the question,i'll not answer it since you've made your judgement on me already.
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We shall judge Bercy after Ingeta comes out.
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We shall judge Bercy after Ingeta comes out.
So shall we.
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We shall judge Bercy after Ingeta comes out.
Voila.