Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on August 11, 2014, 17:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YrvMGI-fsE
He says sankara could not even see him face to face(and swears to say its really true) and kind of ran away thanks to his phone ringing as he got called,and then during interview he asked him why does he insult him on several interviews and now they are face to face if he is a true man,he must not shy away and handle the face to face like a man
and adds further that when sankara insults him nobody finds it not normal but when in return he says some truth which hurt maison mere he is seen as impolite,and asks if people would appreciated if he tasked one of his musicians of attacking maison mere,like sankara is told to do by his boss, and says that if the respect was reciprocal,all this would not happen
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Sankara needs to stop acting like a little punk and fight if he's
Going to talk all that smack on TV and the internet. Freddy Marchouse has said that very time he sees Sankra he runs aw
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Its a game called polemique. Its not meant for face to face but its for the public. Its not personal. Sankara has insulted Fally JB Bill before. Werra wouldnt sit down to instruct Sankara to insult Celeo but simply lets these guys run the polemique show. The target for now is Ferre coz it makes sense these others like celeo are just by the ways.
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He spoke really well and it's really good that they made him listen to the fans opinion on him except they mainly interviewed Nsone's fans instead of neutral people. He says in Maison Mere they don't like to see their former musicians who are doing well, they prefer those who are struggling and he says Maison Mere camp doesn't like him Celeo,Ferre and Chris Ibanga, I always thought Chris Ibanga was very close,what happened,why did he differ with Nsone,do you know archos?
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Its a game called polemique. Its not meant for face to face but its for the public. Its not personal. Sankara has insulted Fally JB Bill before. Werra wouldnt sit down to instruct Sankara to insult Celeo but simply lets these guys run the polemique show. The target for now is Ferre coz it makes sense these others like celeo are just by the ways.
Polemic is long gone,some things Sankara is sent to say are too personal,it's like the old bastard koffi who has been saying ''he doesn't know why JB Mpiana is angry with him because it's not him(koffi) who married JB's wife,are these things grown men should saying in public honestly?
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He was very correct. In WMM if fans like you and then you leave....expect them to get mad especially if you don't leave in good terms or quietly. Further if you are insulted once by Sankara and you keep ignore him and keep praising Werra again you wont have much issues. Let me analyses them one by one:
Ferre....He was a darling to all WMM fans. He was Chief and had his benefits. He left and joined Werra's enemy and further established his rehearsal base close to La Zamba. The last move was interpreted as a direct challenge and what followed was obvious. He is now a successful artist.
Bill......Werra's favorite. He was close to the boss and defined WMM's successful generique bland. The initial hate was based on the 'favorite tag' and the initial shorts he through at WMM after moving on. They reconciled and he is still such a darling amongst fans. He doesn't bother responding to Sankara now because they still meet and laugh. He is doing fine.
Lacoste.....left Werra in good terms and has since remained loyal and still has Werra's fans behind him. He is doing fine.
Celeo....He left with a parting short saying Werra has lost his soul.....He though he would immediately fly into success...the success he enjoyed whilst at WMM. He has failed to rise to the heights of Ferre, Fally, Lacoste and now talks too much always complaining either about Werra, Bill... and is not doing as fine.
Brigade.......He left like Chikito....a lot of hiding of his position at first and latter left. He was insulted but kept praising Werra and he still has some WMM fans. He is still trying to build his solo career.
Deplick.......The most favoured post Herritier artist by Werra. His number of songs with the band was so close to Kakol and Herritier. He started working on solo career and kept missing rehearsals. Herritier and Admin reported him but kept denying it to Werra and in interviews. It upset Werra so much hence the microphone grabbing to give to Nicodem. He is still building a career.
Kabose......He started solo career well but has gone quiet. He is average.
Baby Ndombe, Cappuccino, Mulopwe...Except for Ndombe the other two are quiet. He was accused of sleeping with one of the boss's girls and was suspended and has maintained a grudge. He now lives in a fantasy world where he feels he was an equal partner in WMM. Went quiet after first album.
Now apart from Ferre, which former WMM artists are doing fine and not in good books with Werra? The top three are Ferre, Bill and Lacoste...Bill and Lacoste are in good terms. He was probably including himself and that's the problem he has. Less output more talk and complaining. Ferre does less talking and more results.
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Its a game called polemique. Its not meant for face to face but its for the public. Its not personal. Sankara has insulted Fally JB Bill before. Werra wouldnt sit down to instruct Sankara to insult Celeo but simply lets these guys run the polemique show. The target for now is Ferre coz it makes sense these others like celeo are just by the ways.
Polemic is long gone,some things Sankara is sent to say are too personal,it's like the old bastard koffi who has been saying ''he doesn't know why JB Mpiana is angry with him because it's not him(koffi) who married JB's wife,are these things grown men should saying in public honestly?
Marchouse says Sankara's hair hair smells and he has been applauded on this and other forums for doing so but his hair has nothing to do with music.
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Ferre and company left Werrason mid tour and they named their album 'Miracles' and produced some of the work they had created whilst still with Werra. Miracles is the title Werrason has chosen for his 2nd album which was supposed to be ''Temoignages de Miracles'' forcing Werra to finally the album ''Temoignage'' that is what brought the bitterness especially from Werra's fans.
Ferre was literally destined to be successful not because he made his name whilst still Werrason, he was the lead singer and Chef d'orchestre of WMM.
After WMM, Ferre and company created Les Marquis, when things there didn't work even after the immense success on the album Miracle, Ferre went solo and had already started preparing his first solo album and already had a huge following., Koffi jumped on the opportunity to lure Ferre to Quartier Latin with a lucrative contract with a clause that Ferre would work with Koffi for at least a year and had koffi appointed Zobozi as caretaker of the band Ferre had already created which he had initially called ''Les Marquis des Beaux Garcons.'' His entry into Quartier Latin was literally just a bonus and he was out less than a year into his contract and Koffi took legal action on him but withdrew the case. Ferre effectively went solo with instant success even after the ridicule he received that he was a Fally copycat, he's never looked back. Ferre does not directly involve himself in polemic especially addressing Werra or his people directly, it's his musicians who do it and they are not direct too but Sankara mentions them directly and insults them directly, this forced Marchouse to respond but still Marchouse does not mention the name Sankara to this day he says ''Petit wana Mukeba'' so that's a major difference.
Didier Lacoste is finished,do not include him on the list of successful Wenge Maison Mere graduates,maybe Kabose and Celeo as apart from the term ''Seke Bien'' Lacoste's last album was a flop!! Infact with Lacoste it's just his generiques which made him relevant but to be honest,only Ferre nd JDT Mulopwe are the most successful former Maison Mere musicians followed by Bill. JDT has never been involved in the crap polemic because they all feared him, he is way older than most of the boys that's why they even left Les Marquis to him as he was original founder and named it, the likes of Sankara have never dared to start JDT too because he's a quiet person who concentrates on work.
Kabose is not average,he's a talented musician with excellent albums to his name,what he lacks is serious promotion. Brigade and Deplik will be very successful the initial results have shown.
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Ferre and company left Werrason mid tour and they named their album 'Miracles' and produced some of the work they had created whilst still with Werra. Miracles is the title Werrason has chosen for his 2nd album which was supposed to be ''Temoignages de Miracles'' forcing Werra to finally the album ''Temoignage'' that is what brought the bitterness especially from Werra's fans.
Ferre was literally destined to be successful not because he made his name whilst still Werrason, he was the lead singer and Chef d'orchestre of WMM.
After WMM, Ferre and company created Les Marquis, when things there didn't work even after the immense success on the album Miracle, Ferre went solo and had already started preparing his first solo album and already had a huge following., Koffi jumped on the opportunity to lure Ferre to Quartier Latin with a lucrative contract with a clause that Ferre would work with Koffi for at least a year and had koffi appointed Zobozi as caretaker of the band Ferre had already created which he had initially called ''Les Marquis des Beaux Garcons.'' His entry into Quartier Latin was literally just a bonus and he was out less than a year into his contract and Koffi took legal action on him but withdrew the case. Ferre effectively went solo with instant success even after the ridicule he received that he was a Fally copycat, he's never looked back. Ferre does not directly involve himself in polemic especially addressing Werra or his people directly, it's his musicians who do it and they are not direct too but Sankara mentions them directly and insults them directly, this forced Marchouse to respond but still Marchouse does not mention the name Sankara to this day he says ''Petit wana Mukeba'' so that's a major difference.
Didier Lacoste is finished,do not include him on the list of successful Wenge Maison Mere graduates,maybe Kabose and Celeo as apart from the term ''Seke Bien'' Lacoste's last album was a flop!! Infact with Lacoste it's just his generiques which made him relevant but to be honest,only Ferre nd JDT Mulopwe are the most successful former Maison Mere musicians followed by Bill. JDT has never been involved in the crap polemic because they all feared him, he is way older than most of the boys that's why they even left Les Marquis to him as he was original founder and named it, the likes of Sankara have never dared to start JDT too because he's a quiet person who concentrates on work.
Kabose is not average,he's a talented musician with excellent albums to his name,what he lacks is serious promotion. Brigade and Deplik will be very successful the initial results have shown
Lets forget about what happened when Ferre left Werra but the fact is that his situation is the same as Bercy. Bercy is counted as one of those who left Ferre to join Werra regardless of what happened. He went through WMM and gained own the fame. Some people don't know two things......that Ferre was part of the original Wenge and that he later joined Koffi coz these were short and insignificant stints. He spent much of the time in WMMM and greatly contributed to what he is, something he does not deny. He has built his band around his father's philosophy no wander they fit well in WMMM. Bill Clinton clearly says you cant erase history.
How successful have Kabose and Mulopwe been compared to Lacoste? Put aside personal preferences. How on earth has Celeo been better than Lacoste?
As for Deplick you cant talk of success unless referring to what he did in WMM and he wasn't known under Koffi. Him and Brigade are still trying to build solo careers and its so much to do with the publicity they got from WMM.
Lets admit it WMM gives the publicity and that's why artists flock there endlessly even when other people see it as a dead band. just look at Bercy Mwana within a few months.
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How has Didier Lacoste been successful apart from winning the Ndule award for his generique Kingongolo which we now know was all the work of Hajdi Solo.
Listen, Nsone knows where he is as a singer and unlike JB,Koffi, Wemba and other major band leaders,he's the weakest link where vocals are concerned in his band therefore to make up for that he continues scouting for the best singers out there, those young singers he fronts are what describes him, they defend him well because he's limited as a singer.
I did not say Deplik is successful,i said success is guaranteed as he has received a good reception based on the reviews am seeing, to me Deplik will be major than even Fabregas.
If you do not know how successful JDT has been then we might as well curtail this conversation because on his own ,JDT and his Les Marquis entertained Europe big time,he's now set up his Kinshasa band and more is to come.
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Werra is not as bad as some people describe him. So many people argue Ferre and JB have better singers so WMM success cannot be due to other singers and JB success due to himself. Even if Werra had a best voice singing alone like others do may not have made him successful. Some people dont like listening to the same voice. They love Werra like that. Others have nice voices but fail to do great things.
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Baby Ndombe, Cappuccino, Mulopwe...Except for Ndombe the other two are quiet. He was accused of sleeping with one of the boss's girls and was suspended and has maintained a grudge. He now lives in a fantasy world where he feels he was an equal partner in WMM. Went quiet after first album.
Now apart from Ferre, which former WMM artists are doing fine and not in good books with Werra? The top three are Ferre, Bill and Lacoste...Bill and Lacoste are in good terms. He was probably including himself and that's the problem he has. Less output more talk and complaining. Ferre does less talking and more results.
JDT has been more successful behind Ferre of those who left MM....Eluka Makambu was a great album and he followed it up with Moleki Nzela....lacked a bit of promotion worldwide but those album are very good and was a hit in Europe
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The issue for me is Werrason's utter bitterness about his former musicians not being in the band. Why would Werra think those guys would stay with him. Werrason seems thin skinned in some fashions.
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The issue for me is Werrason's utter bitterness about his former musicians not being in the band. Why would Werra think those guys would stay with him. Werrason seems thin skinned in some fashions.
Sankara always said that they don't fear any departure but they always talk bad about the musicians who leave. Even Deplick said that it makes him sad that it's only Maison Mere who talk bad about their artist leaving when the artists hasn't done or said anything bad towards the group.
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The issue for me is Werrason's utter bitterness about his former musicians not being in the band. Why would Werra think those guys would stay with him. Werrason seems thin skinned in some fashions.
Sankara always said that they don't fear any departure but they always talk bad about the musicians who leave. Even Deplick said that it makes him sad that it's only Maison Mere who talk bad about their artist leaving when the artists hasn't done or said anything bad towards the group.
I know what you mean. But you see the anger of Werra through Sankara. I mean they attack even people that have never said terrible things about Werra himself. But you have a point. Deplick probably had the worst treatment after he leaves the band.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24vij8_polemique-celeo-et-sankara-affrontement-dans-un-meme-plateau_lifestyle
here is the video from 16 16 but it seems they have taken off the part when one of the cameramen focused on sankara while celeo was challenging him to come and sit next to him and insult him like he always does if he is a true man
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At times you wonder what these people want, In a case of Deplic, the guy was sidelined in the band and at some point insulted by Nsone himself and all that made the boy to move on. i still believe it was not Deplic's intention to leave at this stage so it was purely WMM making for the guy to leave. Then even after peacefully leaving he is still poked.
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Not justify what Sankara does I can explain a bit on Deplik. Sankara depends on the way you take him. If you take him serious you can get a bit of publicity by responding. Capuccino, Brigade and a lot more others didn't bother responding.
Deplik started working on that personal album long ago. He signed the contract for his album with Ivorians while in WMM. It came to a point where he was missing group activities to attend to it. Werra got wind of it and kept asking him but Deplik refused even when he was found in studios and people reported him. Werra has connections and you cannot hide such a thing from him. He favoured Deplik more than a lot of guys who can sing better like Cafe Roum and some who have been around for a long time. Even the mighty Wataplus got permission to do an album and kept Werra informed on contracts and the like but Deplik despite Werra having information kept hiding so Werra felt the boy was ungrateful to go to an extent of missing group activities and hiding such things....So automatically he was already close to being out of the group and was only waiting for a final kick out which WMM did to his delite. It was only logical that the mic be given to Nico who had a life and commitment to the band. Don't you wonder why just after he left all the contract news, him having done most of the songs and a lot more came out. What followed with Sankara was automatically reaction by him not that Werra sat with Sankara and told him to say this or that. Its just like what is happening with the JB, Koffi and Sankara issue. Its not that JB sits with Sankara to direct him to say this or that about Koffi and that money. He forgot about it a long time ago.