Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on February 21, 2015, 22:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwlLwxNx-GM
He says celeo is a brothe and a warrior(like ferre and co aswell) because they had a tough mission in fighting against over 90 per cent of wenge musica gone with jb,he told him to leave maison mere with them when they did les marquis because maison mere was"not his place to be" because the role of number 1 atalaku was destined to bill clinton,which is why whenever werra tests an atalaku who has similarities with bill he is excited,celeo was there to help him but he does not want to insist too much on that because saying this hurts celeo and it would start polemic between them again
and he was so special to werra that werra refused to let him go back home and make him live at his house
he says he sees a bit of himself in bercy in the way he tried to start ingeta generique a bit like operation dragon and also some others parts and gives him 8.5 out of 10 but photocopy will never be better than original
he talks about roi david saying he gave him a big correction with their generique of les marquis
after that he talks about gessac and says he does not want polemic with him because its a lost of time but he would like to have a feat with him so they can challenge each other and of course in his overconfident nature says he'd teach gesac a good lesson
and willy says that if gesac had a primus contract they would still be strong rivals and bill says he will soon celebrate 10 years with skol but to sign a contract you have to be able to write your name in the first place let alone understand a contract then sign
when asked about if he would like a feat with djuna mumbafu,he says he'd be delighted because djuna is like his godfather
about caludji he says he'd love it especially as he feels their competition ended too early with caludji going back to his singing role
about genta he reminds people that genta was in maison mere in the very beginning( brought in by ferre and didier masela)but werra said they had too much similarities(due to their massive admiration of djuna) to be together as the starting pair of atalakus so genta went to bcbg and is deservedly untouchable because he has those similarities with bill clinton( lol this guy has quite some ego)
about brigade he says unfortunately for brigade he did not have the luck of working with bill clinton because he arrived after
about dj arafat he says he is happy because arafat admitted he was a fan of bill clinton but arafat will never be better than him because he is the one who inspired arafat
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This question is quite off-key but is Genta from ngiri-ngiri or kintambo???
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genta is from both lol he grew up in both areas due to divorce of his parents so he learned animation in ngiri ngiri and also in bana odeon of kintambo
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I was about to say ;D ;D, because back in the day Ferre was also shouting out Coco Lissimo mais ferre mwana ya ngiri-koto a l'epoque
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Nzambe ya ba ataluku,ye wana!!!! The King of Atalukus, he's spoken well.
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Nzambe ya ba ataluku,ye wana!!!! The King of Atalukus, he's spoken well.
As much as I love Bill I call him the most influential animator but he is not the king that is a fact
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i agree most influential but its very difficult to name him above everybody,because many atalakus did extermely well over the decades
its a bit like football,people who seriously followed football from the last years might say messi or cristiano are the best ever,older ones maradona or pele or the other ronaldo,zidane ....too much talent to single out somebody clearly
but he does have a unique improvisation talent and creativity in terms of language for sure
i am sure some other have that in them aswell but bill had the chance of having a good coach who also was in the situation of having to prove a massive point so he pushed bill extra extra hard and got the best out of him
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Archos you are a intelligent man spot on, Werrason got the best out of him if you like at Bill post maison mere he only done good on 7eme lecon, mundinda and few others which weren't to successful but whereas somebody like Genta has been saving BCBG on his own for like 10 years something Bill has never done having ten years of success (1997-2004 Maison Mere, 2004 Les Marquis, 2008 Mundinda) he dropped off levels but Genta since let's say Pelisa Ngwasuma till now has made hit after hit.
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Nzambe ya ba ataluku,ye wana!!!! The King of Atalukus, he's spoken well.
Kiki Sly you have mastered lingala. But king is not the same as God. God is superior lol.
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Archos you are a intelligent man spot on, Werrason got the best out of him if you like at Bill post maison mere he only done good on 7eme lecon, mundinda and few others which weren't to successful but whereas somebody like Genta has been saving BCBG on his own for like 10 years something Bill has never done having ten years of success (1997-2004 Maison Mere, 2004 Les Marquis, 2008 Mundinda) he dropped off levels but Genta since let's say Pelisa Ngwasuma till now has made hit after hit.
No. Genta is now finished. He needs to be put on "bench" or retire.
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Gentlemen, I love sebene and I like to hear and scrutinise every aspect of it so I maintain that Bill is and remains the King of atalukus and they all know that.
Yes, a few good atalukus have popped up all trying to imitate either Bill or Celeo and been successful but that's just about it, they've not been consistent.
Werrason never brought out the best of Bill, all the generiques in Wenge Musica Maison Mere and later Wenge Maison Mere of Werrason were credited to Bill apart from Solola Bien which was probably wrongly credited to Werrason. It is Bill who created the stuff and that is why he led, most of it was actually in his native tshiluba language mixed with a bit of lingala. Werrason being a former ataluku may have told him to add a few lines from the album Bouger Bouger on the album Intervention Rapide but that's about it.
Why most people think Bill is not successful now is not because of his animation but the way he arranges his generiques, though they are powerful, he complicates them by having too many parts and changes and stops so difficult to dance to sometimes.
Listen to his duet with Roga Roga( Tindika Pousou) and tell me which ataluku has ever done such kind of animation if you think he's finished, even the extract of his latest Stroboscopie sounds good.
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Nzambe ya ba ataluku,ye wana!!!! The King of Atalukus, he's spoken well.
Kiki Sly you have mastered lingala. But king is not the same as God. God is superior lol.
I said Bill is the god of atalukus not God. There are too many gods and Lords but as a true christian and student of the bible I know that our supreme God has a name, his name is Jehovah,there is no one above him.
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masta sly what i mean by getting the best out bill is the fact werra wanted him to create something different for caludji,when bill was outside maison mere and went by the name he was pretty much a caludjist especially with rumour that he was providing most of caludji's animation
bill himself once said in an interview that him and werra could spend a whole day trying to "force" him to develop that ability of doing different and the example from operation dragon to tindika lokito prove a bit what i am saying
it started from developing his tshiluba animation skills then it completely exploded
i did not mean that bill is now finished or whatsoever,but rather that he exploited his hidden talent to perfection because werra was making work extra hard and telling him he had to 'kill' caludji
i sense in some atalakus a potential never totally exploited(not pretending that they would have been better that bill) for example genta(if you want i'll explain later) or more recently brandon avatar
had that young guy had let say 5 years with nsone as the number 1 atalaku and with the level of expectation werra has for his number1 's he'd have exploited a lot of his abilities
when i listen to him i still have the feelling he has much much more to offer
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i sense in some atalakus a potential never totally exploited(not pretending that they would have been better that bill) for example genta(if you want i'll explain later)
Please archos develop this (pleaseee little kid's accent)
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No i understand what you mean masta na ngai archos, it's the other fellas who keep insinuating that Bill is finished. In as far as i know, Bill just gives Werrason respect for his convenience as he doesn't want to fall out with Bana La Zamba and Maison Mére fans across the world. He knows Werrason is deeply loved and cross paths with his fans is calling for trouble because unlike Ferre, he needs their support, Ferre has carved out a different path and has his own huge following that is why he's able to go tit for tat with Werrason as he doesn't care but Bill has to be cautious otherwise from his speech in older interviews you can tell that there is literally nothing that Werra can teach him or get out of him, the man creates himself, the music is in him.
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in short, genta was basically seen as more promising or equally promising as bill along with another young atalaku of ngiri ngiri who passed away quite early even before the two other joined big groups,genta was already doing a bit of that freestyle animation in various languages bill developed in maison mere to the extent that he was playing in like 6 street groups at the same time because people appreciated it,he still used it a little bit at bcbg's zenith and in early bcbg days then with success of kipala nzonzako and now ever since that he mainly does a modern version of "kintambo" animation mainly dominated by synthe with a "key message" repeated over and over instead of pure freestyle like for example in the generique tindika pusu sly talked about
even werra in the days ok kipe ya yo where werra and jb started slowly to let their friendship appear again,said i think in an interview with marius that genta(without naming him lol you know werra and when he likes avoiding names) did good but he feels genta kind of limits himself on one style instead of exploiting other aspects he has in him, if that video is still on youtube i will post
if i recall werra's words well he said something like " petit azo panza ba nzela té"