Author Topic: Did Mbuta Likasu record the song Grace a Dieu and generique in one take ?  (Read 1847 times)

Mfumu Vata on: February 16, 2023, 23:27

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Did Mbuta Likasu record the song Grace a Dieu and the generique Attention Obus in one take ?




The generique ends with his musicians clapping and one whistling and the clapping and whistling continuing in the first seconds of Grace a Dieu, like it was one song.


Seben_Maniac #1 on: February 16, 2023, 23:53

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It reminds me of the Attentat album doing the same thing. It sounds like the beginning of Victoire picks up where Attentat left off which I always thought was a mistake or something.




Mfumu Vata #2 on: February 17, 2023, 00:14

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Other tracks on that album had the same thing. The song Malanda Ngombé ends with Koffi saying "tant pis pour les jaloux" and the following song Number One starting with an echo of koffi saying "les jaloux". The song Kamutshima ending with an echo of Felly Tyson's guitar that ended his sebene and CD1 coming to an end.




I think that Koffi did that on purpose, to let it feel that it was pure live and act like they recorded it non-stop. Also to come with something new. Except the rumba's and the first parts of Cameleon & Kamutshima who were arranged by Philipe Guez, you would think that the album was a live by hearing the songs and the generique. Champion and all guitarists of Quartier Latin did a great job, it's was sad that the public critized them at that time and calling the work they did garbage.


Seben_Maniac #3 on: February 17, 2023, 00:22

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That's a good point! And really? Was the reception for this album initially bad?

Mfumu Vata #4 on: February 17, 2023, 00:38

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In the first months people rejected the album “version radio”, saying it was bad and that the new team (soleil, fally, spino and co) were weak and couldn’t top Academia. Many also thinking that Koffi wouldn’t fill Bercy anymore. The exceptions of Attentat were to high and they weren’t filled (mostly because of Koffi always setting the bar high since Koweit Rive Gauche). The perception didn’t change when “l’integrale” came out. The album still kept talking about himself because of the way Koffi reacted to Papa Wemba’s attacks in Malanda Ngombe and throwing multiple shots in other songs. After Bercy, the Sans Anesthesie started to get succes and the album slowly being accepted but it hadn’t the same succes like his solo albums Loi, V12 and Noblesse Oblige. Until this day many still consider it as a flop and some even claiming it as Koffi’s worst solo album

The young generation living in Europe has good memories of this album compared to their elders, one of the reasons is because of the videoclips often being played at home by parents. Koffi was quick with releasing clips compared to his rivals would wait for 6 months or sometimes even a year.
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Seben_Maniac #5 on: February 17, 2023, 00:45

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In the first months people rejected the album “version radio”, saying it was bad and that the new team (soleil, fally, spino and co) were weak and couldn’t top Academia. Many also thinking that Koffi wouldn’t fill Bercy anymore. The exceptions of Attentat were to high and they weren’t filled (mostly because of Koffi always setting the bar high since Koweit Rive Gauche). The perception didn’t change when “l’integrale” came out. The album still kept talking about himself because of the way Koffi reacted to Papa Wemba’s attacks in Malanda Ngombe and throwing multiple shots in other songs. After Bercy, the Sans Anesthesie started to get succes and the album slowly being accepted but it hadn’t the same succes like his solo albums Loi, V12 and Noblesse Oblige. Until this day many still consider it as a flop and some even claiming it as Koffi’s worst solo album

The young generation living in Europe has good memories of this album compared to their elders, one of the reasons is because of the videoclips often being played at home by parents. Koffi was quick with releasing clips compared to his rivals would wait for 6 months or sometimes even a year.

That's interesting and I can definitely see that. Surprisingly I always thought that Force De Frappe was the overlooked album from that period. Growing up, it feels like Force De Frappe was the album that was skipped though it may be because it was a group album.

Mfumu Vata #6 on: February 17, 2023, 01:06

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Force de Frappe was a big succes and made the team of Fally and co earn respect. It dominated the albums that came out in that period (A La Une, Terrain Eza Mine and KO Debout) The album also helped strengthen Koffi’s position although being  a group-album. Koffi’s position was a little bit weak from the day Academia got created.

Songs like Dulcinee and Eternellement had crazy succes. Dulcinee being performed twice in concerts, Eternellement receiving bronze (3th song of the year) from ACMCO. Like most Koffi videoclips, Force de Frappe also selling well and Bouro Mpela’s contributions as dancer giving it something different. His presence in the clips made it look he participated to the album.

The thing with Force de Frappe  is that Koffi quickly got rid of Eric Tutsi, CNN, Mamale and Champion when the album was still hot. They contributed to the succes of the album and their songs were hits, but they weren’t there anymore at some point and suddenly guys like Chamberton, Deo Brondo, Brigade and Kerozene being there.
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Mwanayaafrica #7 on: February 17, 2023, 01:58

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So they recorded the album Attentat without stopping & not in multiple sessions? Did Koffi fix some stuff or reworked some stuff?

Seben_Maniac #8 on: February 17, 2023, 02:29

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Force de Frappe was a big succes and made the team of Fally and co earn respect. It dominated the albums that came out in that period (A La Une, Terrain Eza Mine and KO Debout) The album also helped strengthen Koffi’s position although being  a group-album. Koffi’s position was a little bit weak from the day Academia got created.

Songs like Dulcinee and Eternellement had crazy succes. Dulcinee being performed twice in concerts, Eternellement receiving bronze (3th song of the year) from ACMCO. Like most Koffi videoclips, Force de Frappe also selling well and Bouro Mpela’s contributions as dancer giving it something different. His presence in the clips made it look he participated to the album.

The thing with Force de Frappe  is that Koffi quickly got rid of Eric Tutsi, CNN, Mamale and Champion when the album was still hot. They contributed to the succes of the album and their songs were hits, but they weren’t there anymore at some point and suddenly guys like Chamberton, Deo Brondo, Brigade and Kerozene being there.

That makes sense, so pretty much Effrakata quickly overshadowed Force de Frappe just 1 year later, despite it having massive success. I also don't think the album had a memorable concert, like Attentat did with Bercy.

Mfumu Vata #9 on: February 17, 2023, 07:14

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So they recorded the album Attentat without stopping & not in multiple sessions? Did Koffi fix some stuff or reworked some stuff?

They recording it multiple sessions and reworked some stuff. For example, each song has a different lead guitarist, the rhythm and mi-solo guitare was shared between different guitarists.

Mfumu Vata #10 on: February 17, 2023, 07:28

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Force de Frappe was a big succes and made the team of Fally and co earn respect. It dominated the albums that came out in that period (A La Une, Terrain Eza Mine and KO Debout) The album also helped strengthen Koffi’s position although being  a group-album. Koffi’s position was a little bit weak from the day Academia got created.

Songs like Dulcinee and Eternellement had crazy succes. Dulcinee being performed twice in concerts, Eternellement receiving bronze (3th song of the year) from ACMCO. Like most Koffi videoclips, Force de Frappe also selling well and Bouro Mpela’s contributions as dancer giving it something different. His presence in the clips made it look he participated to the album.

The thing with Force de Frappe  is that Koffi quickly got rid of Eric Tutsi, CNN, Mamale and Champion when the album was still hot. They contributed to the succes of the album and their songs were hits, but they weren’t there anymore at some point and suddenly guys like Chamberton, Deo Brondo, Brigade and Kerozene being there.

That makes sense, so pretty much Effrakata quickly overshadowed Force de Frappe just 1 year later, despite it having massive success. I also don't think the album had a memorable concert, like Attentat did with Bercy.

In the period of Force de Frappe they performed at a packed Zénith de Paris which was first meant to be a double zenith event, but the second date being cancelled. The show itself was criticized by Koffi-fanatics who saw Kerozene and Brigade as ‘faux atalaku’s’ saying they messed the show and not being able to animate the old cri’s, wondering why Koffi left CNN behind. They quickly changed their mind when Effrakata came out. The cassette of the show itself didn’t had the impact Bercy & Olympia had. Werra’s Stade des Martyrs of 2001 and videos of Wenge Tonya Tonya concerts in Kinshasa were doing it better.

In the same period Koffi spokeman Zobozi where making noise in Kinshasa about Koffi having performed at Lincoln Center and being interviewed by CNN. But the war of BCBG vs Maison Mere on tv about Kibuisa Mpimpa overshadowed it.

Seben_Maniac #11 on: February 17, 2023, 17:26

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Lol what? I thought brigade did a good job at that Zenith. It was Kerozene that messed it up. But yeah I always saw that Zenith as promotion for Effrakata. I'm very surprised that Koffi didn't listen to the criticism especially when he did years later. Also is there more that happened at that zenith? Because it felt very short at just 1 hour and 30 mins for the VHS and DVD.

Mfumu Vata #12 on: February 17, 2023, 17:50

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yeah Brigade did a good job. But back then he wasn't known and people were used to hear CNN, so it was weird for them to hear someone else. Also the way Bouro Mpela and Fally Ipupa were animating a few times, made people say that it was because the incompetence of Kerozene and Brigade.

Congolese concerts are mostly 4/5 hours long. Theo Badoana who made the video, just picked the best parts. If I remember well VHS's of concerts were always 1h and when being long just 90 minutes or 100 minutes. Back in the 90s they would often release volume 1 & 2 for concerts made in Paris both being 70 minutes each. Then when Koffi Olomidé released his VHS of Olympia which was 2h and 40 minutes, Congolese artists started to release VHS' of 2h long and longer (Werra's palais des sports, villejuif and jb's zenith) but they quickly returned the format of 100 minutes. From Koffi's Olympia it became rare to see volume 2 VHS' of concerts made in Paris.





From 2005, producers like Diego Music started to release DVD's of 3 hours and 4 hours long


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