he first talks a bit about his past career of singer and dancer,singing a part of a song he "took the risk" to do to fight for democracy when it was period of worship for mobutu,and reveals for example that he is the one who handed some traditional outfits to werra for bercy
at some poinst he is asked if there is a problem between him and carine mokonzi,he first says carine helped him a bit in raising funds to mourn a religious singer dead not long ago,but he told here it was a very bad thing to do to go into people's grave,she did it with babia but surprisingly ignored her advice and did again with kester's mother and was fooling around on kester's grave aswell
and following complaints from various people,he contacted older musicians(wemba,verckys and so on) who said maybe she should not be allowed to interview at funerals again and when the news came to her,she called him and said very silly insults towards him and the older artists' and their parents...and he says he wished carine and other journalists assisted him when one of their colleagues died and he had to raise funds to mourn him
another day she called again but his phone was with his daughter(who by the way is a professional journalist) and she insulted again and mocked the fact he was supposedly not allowed at a bill clinton rehearsal and supposedly noella madinga got him shaka injured with a bottle and that the day she will see him again she will beat hilm
