I have noticed that in many stories of Congolese musicians there is a pattern who repeat his self, everytime someone goes solo basically starts to fire or kick away all the people that worked with him, except for Fally, Heritier, Robinio, and Brigade which are considered the "good guys" and the one who basically have the most shy employees, and Koffi who of course can't be put here since he has been a leader since ages, the guys who had multiple leader system at one time they decide to kick all the guys who are a threat to them even though the guys there don't even think or want to be leader.
Examples?



Werrason and Adolphe Dominguez:
In the Solola Bien project they were together and even though Dominguez even though was effectively a secind leader wasn't really respected by the members under the order of Werra  who feared to loose the leadership in fact after Solola Bien Adolphe Dominguez just left and disappeared from the radar of valuable Congolese musicians.


JB Mpiana & Mboka Liya
Since the departure of Blaise Bula and Alain Makaba JB was very anxious to proof he was the best between him and Werra so he released Titanic, even though Mboka Libya got a song, and got some very important influence under the new youngs Genta and Kaludji, JB treated him like shit by refusing to pay him while he was giving very good money to his "enfant Cherie" Seguin, Genta, Tutu Caludji, emo's favorite Kibens, making Mboka Liya runaway from Werra then tried to got solo byt never got success since every musician he had was "stolen" by JB


Extra Musica original formation (Herman Ngassaki, Arafat, Doudou Copa, Oxygen, Papy Bastin & Jah, Sonor & Espe Bass) & Roga Roga
Extra Musica is the only collective group left in Congo to be considered relevant, but his formation has changed, created originally by a group of church coral singing friends and then gaining success with their stunning generiques (Amnistie Shalai, Etat Major) at a certain point in the period of Obbligatoire since Sorcellerie/Kindoki Roga Roga leadership desires basically made erase all the work of his colleagues by acting harder on the colleagues since he took the full leadership only Sonor & Espe Bass left, the thing that makes you feel the change is the Mabanga's usually it was Oxygen, Doudoi Copa, Arafat, Kila Mbongo, Herman and so on, but now Roga leadership got the best of him the decision of making Roga singing was the worst decision Extra Musica ever took since now Extra Musica has became a very monotonous Rumba and Generique group there are a lot of groups came out from Extra Musica, the Doudou Copa's one is the one who is delivering the best music


And then the last one Fabregas
Fabregas & Ibrator

Fabregas is an ex Wenge scholar who gained istant success with Mascara and the dance Ya Mado, unlike Extra Musica the change of the songwriters and the musicians didn't effect at all Fabregas's success but he as well really changed his behaviour towards the ones who were his childhood friends and personal songwriters, first one of the guys of Ya Mado left along with the big girl doing the Mascara dance then the final cut came when Fabregas and Ibrator had that famous car discussion where Fabregas instantly kicked out Fabregas and basically created Ibrator and Adada movement which got very positive reviews by people of Congolese diaspora but got blocked in every way by Fabregas which is determined to kill every success of Ibrator
After this preview, I have only one question, why most Congolese leader can't stand to be with guys with personality?? Or guys who has the ball to say to them what is not going right? Why they think they should act like Gods for making things doing great as has been proven several times you need people compared the success of Mascara and the so called shame Zigida, compare Solola Bien and 7eme Jours De La Semaine, the success that Titanic had and the the Balle De Match project, album? That is still not out and Etat Major and Amnistie Shalai's album made by Roga Roga

I have noticed that in many stories of Congolese musicians there is a pattern who repeat his self, everytime someone goes solo basically starts to fire or kick away all the people that worked with him, except for Fally, Heritier, Robinio, and Brigade which are considered the "good guys" and the one who basically have the most shy employees, and Koffi who of course can't be put here since he has been a leader since ages, the guys who had multiple leader system at one time they decide to kick all the guys who are a threat to them even though the guys there don't even think or want to be leader.
Examples?



Werrason and Adolphe Dominguez:
In the Solola Bien project they were together and even though Dominguez even though was effectively a secind leader wasn't really respected by the members under the order of Werra  who feared to loose the leadership in fact after Solola Bien Adolphe Dominguez just left and disappeared from the radar of valuable Congolese musicians.


JB Mpiana & Mboka Liya
Since the departure of Blaise Bula and Alain Makaba JB was very anxious to proof he was the best between him and Werra so he released Titanic, even though Mboka Libya got a song, and got some very important influence under the new youngs Genta and Kaludji, JB treated him like shit by refusing to pay him while he was giving very good money to his "enfant Cherie" Seguin, Genta, Tutu Caludji, emo's favorite Kibens, making Mboka Liya runaway from Werra then tried to got solo byt never got success since every musician he had was "stolen" by JB


Extra Musica original formation (Herman Ngassaki, Arafat, Doudou Copa, Oxygen, Papy Bastin & Jah, Sonor & Espe Bass) & Roga Roga
Extra Musica is the only collective group left in Congo to be considered relevant, but his formation has changed, created originally by a group of church coral singing friends and then gaining success with their stunning generiques (Amnistie Shalai, Etat Major) at a certain point in the period of Obbligatoire since Sorcellerie/Kindoki Roga Roga leadership desires basically made erase all the work of his colleagues by acting harder on the colleagues since he took the full leadership only Sonor & Espe Bass left, the thing that makes you feel the change is the Mabanga's usually it was Oxygen, Doudoi Copa, Arafat, Kila Mbongo, Herman and so on, but now Roga leadership got the best of him the decision of making Roga singing was the worst decision Extra Musica ever took since now Extra Musica has became a very monotonous Rumba and Generique group there are a lot of groups came out from Extra Musica, the Doudou Copa's one is the one who is delivering the best music


And then the last one Fabregas
Fabregas & Ibrator

Fabregas is an ex Wenge scholar who gained istant success with Mascara and the dance Ya Mado, unlike Extra Musica the change of the songwriters and the musicians didn't effect at all Fabregas's success but he as well really changed his behaviour towards the ones who were his childhood friends and personal songwriters, first one of the guys of Ya Mado left along with the big girl doing the Mascara dance then the final cut came when Fabregas and Ibrator had that famous car discussion where Fabregas instantly kicked out Fabregas and basically created Ibrator and Adada movement which got very positive reviews by people of Congolese diaspora but got blocked in every way by Fabregas which is determined to kill every success of Ibrator
After this preview, I have only one question, why most Congolese leader can't stand to be with guys with personality?? Or guys who has the ball to say to them what is not going right? Why they think they should act like Gods for making things doing great as has been proven several times you need people compared the success of Mascara and the so called shame Zigida, compare Solola Bien and 7eme Jours De La Semaine, the success that Titanic had and the the Balle De Match project, album? That is still not out and Etat Major and Amnistie Shalai's album made by Roga Roga

Wow ..looks like you notice lot of things in congolese musuc ..lol anyway...When it comes to extra musica , are you  talking about extra musica zangul or bpbl, because papy jah and bastin were never  members of the the great original formation extra musica bpbl. Cadrer bien ba histoires na yo  ndeko.

because the system is like that,even the favourites leaders always liked that to be limited somewhere you'd see people popping up telling the leader "keba mutu wana akomi kozwa lupemba trop" (be careful this guy is starting to become too succesful and lucky)
the generation of fally ferre heritier and co all went through that for example
even the fabregas ibrator thing part of it comes from influence of people around who convinced fabregas he had to stop treating ibrator as an older brother and the rest as friends and make them employees who have no words to say
for example  the car fabregas "gave" ibrator and another one came from ibrator telling him since people like to  judge artists a lot on lifestyle sometimes even more than their talent it would be good if he could show to the world that he's reach level where he can do favors to musicians like big leaders so the cars who came from a donor where praised as coming from him
and after when those guys influenced fabregas the same ibrator got him mad by just suggesting him to start paying even a symbolic 100 dollars to employees or they might all rebel
the staffs if musicians operate exactly the same way doing nasty things to each other to go higher up in hierarchy of the boss,making the guy who has some personality be seen as a bad egg by the boss,when you come with another talk than the one of the yes men they will say "hey who do you think you are, it is because you come from europe,come on man"

Archos didn't you used to be in a few musicians staff?

 yes but i was always frozen out because i was clearly not a yes man, so it ended up being the leader and me being mates or pîre vieux pire petit outside music
when i talked about  the "europe" part it was kinda personal lol it even happened once that i got people sent to beat because i had a plan which would drag away one artist from the system and act like a proper professional artist the way it is here
that system is how many of them staff guys make their living or even came to europe for some so when somebody threatens the advantages they get through that they go hard on that person
another thing which did not help my case lol is that unlike most i was refusing to commit to kindoki or motivate artist to do it and i was not there  to bring them girls
you know in every concert there is a section of guys dedicated to that, picking girls in the crowd or those on stage who came to give money and they are in charge of getting numbers and bringing them to the boss
 the more they do it the more they are taken to europe and so on

Lol I meant the guy who sang like Emeneya with the blonde little dreads which is the ghost songwriter behind a lot of Extra's song in the Etat Major and Obligatoire period with his song begin automatically assigned to Roga Roga the guy tried to went solo but got blocked by Roga Roga and anyway yes being a European man with Angolan/ Congolese origin I see some things that pushes way back our music behind in fact Congolese people here who are grown with European system like Awilo or Koffi or even Fally for the past and Maître Gims and Niska for the present are making a lot of success, unlike Congolese music which even though it got Fally and Koffi who are very known outside DRC there are no way close in the million or sometimes billion views we are used to see by huge artisr

I have noticed that in many stories of Congolese musicians there is a pattern who repeat his self, everytime someone goes solo basically starts to fire or kick away all the people that worked with him, except for Fally, Heritier, Robinio, and Brigade which are considered the "good guys" and the one who basically have the most shy employees, and Koffi who of course can't be put here since he has been a leader since ages, the guys who had multiple leader system at one time they decide to kick all the guys who are a threat to them even though the guys there don't even think or want to be leader.
Examples?



Werrason and Adolphe Dominguez:
In the Solola Bien project they were together and even though Dominguez even though was effectively a secind leader wasn't really respected by the members under the order of Werra  who feared to loose the leadership in fact after Solola Bien Adolphe Dominguez just left and disappeared from the radar of valuable Congolese musicians.


JB Mpiana & Mboka Liya
Since the departure of Blaise Bula and Alain Makaba JB was very anxious to proof he was the best between him and Werra so he released Titanic, even though Mboka Libya got a song, and got some very important influence under the new youngs Genta and Kaludji, JB treated him like shit by refusing to pay him while he was giving very good money to his "enfant Cherie" Seguin, Genta, Tutu Caludji, emo's favorite Kibens, making Mboka Liya runaway from Werra then tried to got solo byt never got success since every musician he had was "stolen" by JB


Extra Musica original formation (Herman Ngassaki, Arafat, Doudou Copa, Oxygen, Papy Bastin & Jah, Sonor & Espe Bass) & Roga Roga
Extra Musica is the only collective group left in Congo to be considered relevant, but his formation has changed, created originally by a group of church coral singing friends and then gaining success with their stunning generiques (Amnistie Shalai, Etat Major) at a certain point in the period of Obbligatoire since Sorcellerie/Kindoki Roga Roga leadership desires basically made erase all the work of his colleagues by acting harder on the colleagues since he took the full leadership only Sonor & Espe Bass left, the thing that makes you feel the change is the Mabanga's usually it was Oxygen, Doudoi Copa, Arafat, Kila Mbongo, Herman and so on, but now Roga leadership got the best of him the decision of making Roga singing was the worst decision Extra Musica ever took since now Extra Musica has became a very monotonous Rumba and Generique group there are a lot of groups came out from Extra Musica, the Doudou Copa's one is the one who is delivering the best music


And then the last one Fabregas
Fabregas & Ibrator

Fabregas is an ex Wenge scholar who gained istant success with Mascara and the dance Ya Mado, unlike Extra Musica the change of the songwriters and the musicians didn't effect at all Fabregas's success but he as well really changed his behaviour towards the ones who were his childhood friends and personal songwriters, first one of the guys of Ya Mado left along with the big girl doing the Mascara dance then the final cut came when Fabregas and Ibrator had that famous car discussion where Fabregas instantly kicked out Fabregas and basically created Ibrator and Adada movement which got very positive reviews by people of Congolese diaspora but got blocked in every way by Fabregas which is determined to kill every success of Ibrator
After this preview, I have only one question, why most Congolese leader can't stand to be with guys with personality?? Or guys who has the ball to say to them what is not going right? Why they think they should act like Gods for making things doing great as has been proven several times you need people compared the success of Mascara and the so called shame Zigida, compare Solola Bien and 7eme Jours De La Semaine, the success that Titanic had and the the Balle De Match project, album? That is still not out and Etat Major and Amnistie Shalai's album made by Roga Roga

Wow ..looks like you notice lot of things in congolese musuc ..lol anyway...When it comes to extra musica , are you  talking about extra musica zangul or bpbl, because papy jah and bastin were never  members of the the great original formation extra musica bpbl. Cadrer bien ba histoires na yo  ndeko.

yes but i was always frozen out because i was clearly not a yes man, so it ended up being the leader and me being mates or pîre vieux pire petit outside music
when i talked about  the "europe" part it was kinda personal lol it even happened once that i got people sent to beat because i had a plan which would drag away one artist from the system and act like a proper professional artist the way it is here
that system is how many of them staff guys make their living or even came to europe for some so when somebody threatens the advantages they get through that they go hard on that person
another thing which did not help my case lol is that unlike most i was refusing to commit to kindoki or motivate artist to do it and i was not there  to bring them girls
you know in every concert there is a section of guys dedicated to that, picking girls in the crowd or those on stage who came to give money and they are in charge of getting numbers and bringing them to the boss
 the more they do it the more they are taken to europe and so on

Wow that's amazing both the good side of being in the staff and the bad it must be a great experience