Author Topic: "PILE OU FACE" FROM ALAIN MAKABA WAS TOO ADVANCED  (Read 8852 times)

Wenge1995 #15 on: April 22, 2018, 08:34

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Quick question about the Wake Up polemic, are payments for shoutouts made before the music is recorded? And do you believe that Wemba was justified in his disagreement with Koffi over the money?

I feel like it is Wemba's fault as to why he didn't get paid, because (to my knowledge) it's common practice for patrons to pay for shoutouts on songs and concerts, why would Wemba ever agree to do this for free? Why should Koffi feel compelled to pay Wemba? I feel like Wemba's anger was misguided in this context

mvulusi96 #16 on: April 22, 2018, 12:42

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If Bendoson left then it was because of the bad manangement of Wemba's staff. The whole bad was feeling comfortable. Nouvelle Ecriture didn't have electric instruments to rehearse on it like Quartier Latin, Maison Mere & Wenge BCBG. So they asked them and Wemba if they could buy it for them with them refusing. Saying that they have to buy it with their own money the next Europe, which they also did. After Fula Ngenge, Bogus Bompemba left because of Wemba staff. after his departure they gave Bendoson a huge suspension. Koffi who felt himself humilated because of the many attacks Wemba did in Fula Ngenge sended Do Akongo to get him in Quartier Latin. This all to prove Wemba a point, Bendoson didn't really feel to join Quartier Latin, but he hadn't a choice, because he had to feed his family, being already weeks unemployed. Wemba who was in Europe was furious on his staff when he heard it and sended Amazone to get Bendoson back in Nouvelle Ecriture. But things were not getting better. Then when they performed in Adis Abeba the conflict was so big that Bendoson stole Wemba's passeport and convinced Ramazani,Pompom Miyake and Christian na Nzenze to form a rebellion-band "Nouvelle Ecriture de l'An 2000". Others wanted also to join, but they were doubting. They were blessed by King Kester Emeneya who was like their mentor, started to have big croweded concerts in Kinshasa and started recording a album with help from Rigo Makengo who was their producer. Nouvelle Ecriture of Wemba was unbalanced getting attacks from Bendo's side and attacks from Koffi's side with people starting doubting if his second zenith would be succeed. Bendoson's succes took really his head and he decided then to sue Papa Wemba saying that he to change name, name of his band. Since that the name Nouvelle Ecriture came from him and that doesn't have the right to use that name. Bendoson won the lawsuit, which forced Wemba to change the name of his band in Nouvelle Ecrita. Wemba was very angry saying that how his pure petit could do that to him. So he cursed them. It didn't even take long and problems started between the guys with Pompom Miyake leaving as first and trying to return to Wemba, but Wemba who was touring Europe said to his staff in Kinshasa that he didn't want him back. Because of the way he was shocked the way Pompom attacked him. With Pompom staying 1 year long at home and on the end being recruited by Victoria Eleison. Their crowds started to be smaller smaller and not long after that Ramazani and Christian decided to leave and joined Quartier Latin, when came back from their Bercy and Europe-tour. Bendoson was so furious that he started to attack Koffi in many interviews. When the VHS of Wemba live at Zenith was released, people started to mock him. Because of the way Jean Apocalyps was dissing him in the song Maria. Bendoson started to have problems everywhere, journalists and people started to mock him. Others said to him that it was better to return in Nouvelle Ecriture with him replying that he could never do that, because he a leader, etc. Then there came a moment that he was broke. So he decided with Babia to join Jolino, but the collaboration didn't work. He didn't know what to do and throwed his pride away and rejoined Papa Wemba in 2002.

mvulusi96 #17 on: April 22, 2018, 12:48

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@mvulusi96

Quick question about the Wake Up polemic, are payments for shoutouts made before the music is recorded? And do you believe that Wemba was justified in his disagreement with Koffi over the money?

I feel like it is Wemba's fault as to why he didn't get paid, because (to my knowledge) it's common practice for patrons to pay for shoutouts on songs and concerts, why would Wemba ever agree to do this for free? Why should Koffi feel compelled to pay Wemba? I feel like Wemba's anger was misguided in this context

the payments for shoutouts are normally made before the music is recorded. But since 1999 with the Wenge's (BCBG & Maison Mere) touring in Europe people start to pay musicians in the studio. That  are mostly fans, sapeur, etc.  people who wanted to be known and close to the musicians. While in the past you had really to close to the artist. This all made random people famous. You will then hear a song dedicated to a guy, or a big shout-out with yourself thinking that it is a rich men, but on the end discovering that it's a ramdom guy from Aubervilliers/Saint Denis and/or a girl/man who's steeling clohts for musicians and living in a small house.

In my opinion it's Wemba's his own fault. But we weren't present the way they agreed every detail of Wake Up, so he could maybe be right.
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wuodsimba #18 on: April 22, 2018, 16:27

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which songs or albums did Bogus Bompema participate in while with Papa Wemba, Archos?

mvulusi96 #19 on: April 22, 2018, 16:43

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Fula Ngenge was his only album in Nouvelle Ecriture. Having vocals in Fula Ngenge, Bibi Muana Shaba & Elongi Ya Jesus




Here singing with them

Mirobexx #20 on: April 26, 2018, 02:05

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Can i ask when was Awilo Longomba in Loketo just been watching a Loketo video of Zenab and he was in it

wuodsimba #21 on: April 26, 2018, 19:45

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which songs or albums did Bogus Bompema participate in while with Papa Wemba, Archos?

Thanks ndeko Mvulusi

wuodsimba #22 on: April 26, 2018, 20:01

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and seems like jb stole a bit of the sebene of kipe yayo from papa wemba's song Bibi muana ya shaba if am not wrong

Matebu #23 on: April 26, 2018, 20:18

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and seems like jb stole a bit of the sebene of kipe yayo from papa wemba's song Bibi muana ya shaba if am not wrong


A little bit, also the chorus of Bibi Muana ya shaba uses part of the chorus from Koffi's song "Sef" (1993).
"l'amour... c'est bon"



I forget the true origins of the French song it comes from. 

mvulusi96 #24 on: April 26, 2018, 21:10

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Can i ask when was Awilo Longomba in Loketo just been watching a Loketo video of Zenab and he was in it

He wasn't a real member. I participated as a guest star. At that time he was Viva La Musica's main drummer until the split of 1992, since that Richacha started to become close to Reggae artists when he came in France.

Mirobexx #25 on: April 26, 2018, 23:58

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Richacha i remember going to a concert by I Jahman Levi in London and he was thanking his band members that night.When he said Richacha from Congo i never knew he was that famous drummer .

mvulusi96 #26 on: April 27, 2018, 00:07

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Richacha i remember going to a concert by I Jahman Levi in London and he was thanking his band members that night.When he said Richacha from Congo i never knew he was that famous drummer .

Back in the days he was one of the most popular drummers of Congo. Many drummers of the 80's took his drumming-style. In those days the drummers where more on concentrated on the snare drum and the charleston. While he was the only drummer who was hitting the toms Toms during the seben. making that famous-particion on the toms "aah mbadi maman richacha". But people quickly forgot about him. If people talk about drummers of the 80's they always forgot Richacha and mostly only mention Djudjushet, Awilo Longomba, Meridjo, Ilo Pablo and Patcho Star. Richacha way of playing snare was very different then other drums who were playing that Cavacha-style.



from 1:49 min Richacha drumming with Reddy Amisi, Stino Mubi, Jadot le Cambodgien, Cele Le Roi and a high Luciana Demingongo (he's normally very shy hahahahaha) dancing.
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pistis.balu #27 on: December 22, 2025, 05:48

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@Matebu

I was really impressed by this album, it was certainly ahead of it's time!

I thought Wenge Musica had reconciled with Sadam Hussien with Tempete de Desert from the 1994 album Anges Adorables, whay happened in 1995 that upset Mobutu so much to obstruct their careers in Kinshasa?

How did the Alain Makaba get involved in the Wake Up project with Koffi and Wemba? What songs did he play guitar on?

I believe what drove him was the fact that he was settled in Europe full time while Wenge BCBG 4x4 was still based in Kin, so this album was of financial necessity. It’s big  success was not really anticipated… it was to keep SonoDisc happy and recorded quickly, so some of the intended feature singers did not make it. Pepe Kalle had already to Kin after his Europe tour.

Wake Up was supposed to a trio-project Koffi-Wemba-Makaba, but Koffi wasn’t having that happen so he was demoted. The funny thing is that the album was created to take attention away from Wenge 4x4 and here you have a founder assisting.

The two songs where he’s credited on Wake Up playing Solo.
- Zaintoin
- Esakola
Makaba has a signature and intricate sound with his Steinberger M series guitar, so you can tell it's him playing. This goes for all his credited work

Caen Madoka, Beniko, Maika Munan, Do Akongo, & Yves Ndjock did the lion’s share of the work on guitars.

He’s not credited for it, but I know he assisted with arrangement. It was predominantly Philphe Guez in that department on synthesizer heavy songs - Avion (composer Do Akongo), Litio ya Calendrier (Colombani Wasenga), Maryama (Composer: Philphe Guez/Koffi), Esakola (Wemba?), Wake Up (Colombani Wasenga), Moussoukou-Soukou (Koffi)


The acoustic songs were handled by Maika Munan, Do Akongo, & Beniko
- Dodo (Maika Munan), Naomie (composer Koffi? or was there a ghostwriter?), Mi Amor (Koffi)






Naomie was written by the late Mongali and Esakola was written by Bogus Bompema