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Wenge1995 #15 on: March 24, 2022, 11:03

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wata was slapped by werra because there was  a fight in front of la zamba and automatically nsone thought  it was heritier's troublesome guys of the chicago 320 gang   and he came and slapped heritier without asking for any explanation,while it was not involving him
it coincided with those who remained with him for the common heritier fabregas fudji abraham workshop putting pressure on him to leave so  wata almost considered leaving until mampata jb seguin and guys like patcho panda stepped in to calm him
 in congolese music the blessing thing rarely exists,the closest case i can think of leaving with blessing is pitchou concorde in cultura who went to europe to be with his sadly dead now brother who was in hospital and who asked to be leaving the group and studying music in france
in most cases even if they try the most diplomatic or the biggest mindgame strategy,it almost always explode at some point
example fabro like i said  in a previous thread fearing that heritier takes the workshop guys  to go solo took the gamble to ask heritier to steal his passport for him in kinshasa pretending to receive money via western union while it still had visa and went back to europe to start solo career,he then got sent people to try to kidnap him and bring him back home(an old strategy musicians have been using sometimes even before clan wenge ever existed) then he kinda started peacefully but by the time he settled back in kinshasa to perform he started  attacking werra for allegedly getting his concert banners ripped in kin's streets and things like that and going as far as saying that the day he dies he does not want werra to come and fake being sad
same with heritier he tried going the diplomatic route by handing a resignation letter to leave the group,which last before reaching administration because each of them was scared to be the one who took it and inform werra about it,but by the time  he'd be trying to put in place a peaceful separation on his side and on maison mere's side there was already court jesters attacking other side which instantly turned his attempt of peaceful leaving into the traditional tense departure of big members of the group
leaving peacefully in congolese music is hard very very hard,because in the mind of the leaders its always this guy will be or will see himself as my direct challenger as soon as things pick up for him,especially as in most cases leaders have that ability to sense potential in their musicians even when they have peaked in their groups,they can imagine for example that a ferre or a fally would be a great solo leader  so they'll make sure to try to control the rise to maintain that distance and respect of "you are my children" so you are always behind

What are "workshop guys"? Are those musicians who give lyrics and guitar parts to the main members of a band?

Wenge1995 #16 on: March 24, 2022, 11:05

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I see so missed alot. No one left WMM with Werra's blessing. Werrason sended guys in Europe to get Fabregas deported and Sankara would insult Fabregas for years. Heritier didn't show up on day 2 of the 3 days event at Grand Hotel to present Ingeta, because he felt it like a humiliation in the case Fally Ipupa would come as guest while him being in a uniform (there was already a cold war between both guys since 2003/04). So he decided to leave, seeing that he couldn't justify his absence. He then made a letter to Werrason after he left, wanting to be the first musician to leave peacefully. But Werrason refused to accept his letter, Sankara and ADT Yanki would insult Heritier everytime and Werrason making Heritier's first months and years as solo artist hard behind the scenes. For Heritier it became to much and he started to react through the many internet journalists who were then behind him (Ken Mpiana, Adams Luzolo, Patsho RFI, etc.) and his spokemen.

Why did you hate Heritier back in 2008 until he left WMM? You never explained why

archos #17 on: March 24, 2022, 11:17

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wata was slapped by werra because there was  a fight in front of la zamba and automatically nsone thought  it was heritier's troublesome guys of the chicago 320 gang   and he came and slapped heritier without asking for any explanation,while it was not involving him
it coincided with those who remained with him for the common heritier fabregas fudji abraham workshop putting pressure on him to leave so  wata almost considered leaving until mampata jb seguin and guys like patcho panda stepped in to calm him
 in congolese music the blessing thing rarely exists,the closest case i can think of leaving with blessing is pitchou concorde in cultura who went to europe to be with his sadly dead now brother who was in hospital and who asked to be leaving the group and studying music in france
in most cases even if they try the most diplomatic or the biggest mindgame strategy,it almost always explode at some point
example fabro like i said  in a previous thread fearing that heritier takes the workshop guys  to go solo took the gamble to ask heritier to steal his passport for him in kinshasa pretending to receive money via western union while it still had visa and went back to europe to start solo career,he then got sent people to try to kidnap him and bring him back home(an old strategy musicians have been using sometimes even before clan wenge ever existed) then he kinda started peacefully but by the time he settled back in kinshasa to perform he started  attacking werra for allegedly getting his concert banners ripped in kin's streets and things like that and going as far as saying that the day he dies he does not want werra to come and fake being sad
same with heritier he tried going the diplomatic route by handing a resignation letter to leave the group,which last before reaching administration because each of them was scared to be the one who took it and inform werra about it,but by the time  he'd be trying to put in place a peaceful separation on his side and on maison mere's side there was already court jesters attacking other side which instantly turned his attempt of peaceful leaving into the traditional tense departure of big members of the group
leaving peacefully in congolese music is hard very very hard,because in the mind of the leaders its always this guy will be or will see himself as my direct challenger as soon as things pick up for him,especially as in most cases leaders have that ability to sense potential in their musicians even when they have peaked in their groups,they can imagine for example that a ferre or a fally would be a great solo leader  so they'll make sure to try to control the rise to maintain that distance and respect of "you are my children" so you are always behind

What are "workshop guys"? Are those musicians who give lyrics and guitar parts to the main members of a band?

yeah,for example omba of quartier latin,ibrator,but na filet,thierry mugler to name a few were working behind the scenes with heritier abraham fudji fabregas giving them songs vocals,creating songs together and so on

Mfumu Vata #18 on: March 24, 2022, 15:47

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I see so missed alot. No one left WMM with Werra's blessing. Werrason sended guys in Europe to get Fabregas deported and Sankara would insult Fabregas for years. Heritier didn't show up on day 2 of the 3 days event at Grand Hotel to present Ingeta, because he felt it like a humiliation in the case Fally Ipupa would come as guest while him being in a uniform (there was already a cold war between both guys since 2003/04). So he decided to leave, seeing that he couldn't justify his absence. He then made a letter to Werrason after he left, wanting to be the first musician to leave peacefully. But Werrason refused to accept his letter, Sankara and ADT Yanki would insult Heritier everytime and Werrason making Heritier's first months and years as solo artist hard behind the scenes. For Heritier it became to much and he started to react through the many internet journalists who were then behind him (Ken Mpiana, Adams Luzolo, Patsho RFI, etc.) and his spokemen.

Why did you hate Heritier back in 2008 until he left WMM? You never explained why

His rude behaviour to people outside music, every year didn't pass without a scandal of Heritier.

I didn't like him since 2003, the succes went to his head and I started to hate him more after the creation of Les Marquis him insulting Ferre Gola and how he went hard on Koffi Olomidé, Ferre Gola and JB Mpiana in 2005. Also the way he used to insult Celeo often after his departure. You can attack artist, but the way Heritier was doing it was to much with his arrogance. He was often appearing in the media like he was a wonderful artist, but he wasn't doing anything special, his song weren't big hits like he used to claim and he started to sing false from 2005/06. I don't know what was going on with Heritier in concerts but he was only screaming and Taddet making it worser along with Miel. It was like the were battling about who could scream the hardest. Luckily David Monsoh and journalists Marc Tabu advised him to stop doing that when starting his solo career.

archos #19 on: March 24, 2022, 16:10

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 werra pe avimbisaki ye mutu it was a never endind cycle if you look at it, he was used to challenge ferre when ferre became resident,then to challenge celeo when they remained together after les marquis, and like himself admits he lost it with all that fame and power at a young age
then himself saw his friend brigade becoming stubborn against him,miel,deplick at some point,i am sure if he lasted longer with nicodem it would be the same
he was too much into fighting for his "father" in nightclubs,aswell as his issues with guys over women   so there was always drama around him
late yanki played a good role in helping him calm down a bit when they became closer