Author Topic: THE DAY CULTURA MUSICIANS ALMOST FOUGHT WITH WAZEKWA IN STUDIO LOL  (Read 997 times)

archos on: July 31, 2023, 20:55

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 This is a song written by ceden play and since he was always left behind on tours it was planned that joss and the other tenorists would share it,to their surprise wazekwa had already done a full record of the second trying to sing as high as the original ceden pre record was
then started a strong argument about the fact that he messed the song hard  which was a bit similar to the famous studio thing of werra in a la queue leu leu with some correcting the boss and some siding with him blindly
so the guys were fuming not only because he ruined the song singing too high which makes his voice sound weak and strained(especially as his preferred voice is already weak while his natural deep voice is better but he does not like using it much) but they had already got their mabanga money especially a guy like joss who could have up to 50 names easy with that fame he had,so it got tense to the extent that gesac who was already injured  and walking with clutches after a fight with bill's guys got pushed by bodyguard as he was very vocal,having already not been granted a song like his rival bill and being very pissed because a donor was promising to buy him a lexxus if he has a song to his name
 then it calmed down and they forced wazekwa to sing deeper as soon as the vocals of musicians were starting and they reduced as much as possible that opening part

Wenge1995 #1 on: July 31, 2023, 22:56

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 This is a song written by ceden play and since he was always left behind on tours it was planned that joss and the other tenorists would share it,to their surprise wazekwa had already done a full record of the second trying to sing as high as the original ceden pre record was
then started a strong argument about the fact that he messed the song hard  which was a bit similar to the famous studio thing of werra in a la queue leu leu with some correcting the boss and some siding with him blindly
so the guys were fuming not only because he ruined the song singing too high which makes his voice sound weak and strained(especially as his preferred voice is already weak while his natural deep voice is better but he does not like using it much) but they had already got their mabanga money especially a guy like joss who could have up to 50 names easy with that fame he had,so it got tense to the extent that gesac who was already injured  and walking with clutches after a fight with bill's guys got pushed by bodyguard as he was very vocal,having already not been granted a song like his rival bill and being very pissed because a donor was promising to buy him a lexxus if he has a song to his name
 then it calmed down and they forced wazekwa to sing deeper as soon as the vocals of musicians were starting and they reduced as much as possible that opening part

I've always maintained that Wazekwa made a BIG mistake not promoting Cultura the way his rivals did by allowing group albums. Just listen to Miss, the song is so much better when Tripason, Joss Diena, and Jose Nzita have space to sing and do mabanga in the fashion that Extra Musica did from 90s to 2004.



Or take into consideration this rhumba, the duet at 1:43 below. I believe it's Joss and Karmapa, they are excellent together – imagine if Felix gave them the entire song like Werrason did Heritier and Ferre for Nostalgie? Felix could just credit himself with the generiques and maybe one rhumba, because he's not a strong singer to where anyone really remembers years later.



By the mid-2000s, his group as individuals were far behind their peers in terms of notoriety. That's why Ferre, Bill, and Japonais could build Les Marquis because they had songs to their names like Vita Imana, Style Moomberg, and Roberte Basende.

However, when Gessac and Joss left they're joined too much at the hip with Wazekwa. If anything, the group was an accompaniment because they barely had space to present themselves as full musicians until Et Apres with songs like Pardon and Ah Ngai but by then the difference of success btw his members and rivals was cemented.

You probably understand why Wazekwa pursued his career back then better than me, but it's just my opinion. What do you guys think?

archos #2 on: July 31, 2023, 23:16

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i fully agree with you,what happened is that he was taking songs from the guys(joss ceden vicky nasdag gabbana and hono kapanga who were those with writing ability in the band) and putting it on his name and singing it for most
while even guys like rio or kibens with all the bad reputation they have sang full songs straight away,joss with all the big status he has has never sang a full song to his name in all his 12 years in the group

Mfumu Vata #3 on: August 01, 2023, 00:43

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lol, the same Felix Wazekwa who claimed years long in interviews that he had written all the songs that were released on albums by himself and never made used of ghostwriters and/or crediting songs of his bandmembers to himself. Adding that bandleaders needs to be fair with ghostwriters and their bandmember to credit them on their solo-albums for having written songs. I remember journalist Baby Balukuna once revealing that a few songs on his first album Tetragramme were written by Didier Milla although everything being credited to Wazekwa.
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Wenge1995 #4 on: August 01, 2023, 01:53

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A lot of those decisions Wazekwa made earlier in his career sorta explains why his legacy isn't as enduring as Koffi, JB, or Werrason. He experienced the big concert halls when G-5 was already selling out Stade de Martyr and Olympia.

archos #5 on: August 01, 2023, 08:08

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lol, the same Felix Wazekwa who claimed years long in interviews that he had written all the songs that were released on albums by himself and never made used of ghostwriters and/or crediting songs of his bandmembers to himself. Adding that bandleaders needs to be fair with ghostwriters and their bandmember to credit them on their solo-albums for having written songs. I remember journalist Baby Balukuna once revealing that a few songs on his first album Tetragramme were written by Didier Milla although everything being credited to Wazekwa.

He was using koffi's trick with them,they called it "systeme ya ba chinois",he'd never take the song from the guys fully,like koffi also did with him,so a song could be that it was written by ceden or joss or hono or vicky  but he would always cut a part to add his lyrics or transform their lyrics or create a mix like the head is hono the middle him a couple of lines is vicky then the end is him so its difficult to credit the song to somebody so since he is the leader the credit just goes automatically to him like the generiques

Wenge1995 #6 on: August 01, 2023, 08:22

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lol, the same Felix Wazekwa who claimed years long in interviews that he had written all the songs that were released on albums by himself and never made used of ghostwriters and/or crediting songs of his bandmembers to himself. Adding that bandleaders needs to be fair with ghostwriters and their bandmember to credit them on their solo-albums for having written songs. I remember journalist Baby Balukuna once revealing that a few songs on his first album Tetragramme were written by Didier Milla although everything being credited to Wazekwa.

He was using koffi's trick with them,they called it "systeme ya ba chinois",he'd never take the song from the guys fully,like koffi also did with him,so a song could be that it was written by ceden or joss or hono or vicky  but he would always cut a part to add his lyrics or transform their lyrics or create a mix like the head is hono the middle him a couple of lines is vicky then the end is him so its difficult to credit the song to somebody so since he is the leader the credit just goes automatically to him like the generiques

Why was he against group albums? Was he afraid of being overshadowed by his artist?

Mfumu Vata #7 on: August 01, 2023, 11:47

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A lot of those decisions Wazekwa made earlier in his career sorta explains why his legacy isn't as enduring as Koffi, JB, or Werrason. He experienced the big concert halls when G-5 was already selling out Stade de Martyr and Olympia.

no of the G-5 artists sold Stade des Martyrs out. G-5 artists started performing over there since last year. When Wazekwa started performing at Olympia & Zenith was in period that Fally & Ferre also started performing over there.

Wazekwa's breakthrough was in 2001 with Signature and he confirmed his succes with Yo Nani. He started well performing at LSC in 2002. It was with the huge succes of Et Apres that people started really comparing him with Werrason & JB Mpiana. In that year he won a Kora Award as "Best Central African Male Artist" and was voted as star of the year by ACMCO. There was concert-promoter who wanted to let him perform at Stade des Martyrs that year, but it didn't happen. The album was n1 in DR Congo until the release Alerte Generale.In the period of 2004-2007, era of performing at mythical halls was finished and no big artists performed at Olympia, Zenith or Bercy. Although Koffi and Fally both performing at Zenith & Olympia in 2007, it really returned from the moment Werrason performed at Zenith in 2008 and from that event contracts for Zenith raining for all artists.  I don't remember if it was Dario Kindongo or Claude Mussay but there was an idea to let him perform at Olympia with the succes of Et Apres and a plan for a long Europe-tour. But it didn't happen and Wazekwa continued with his playbacks-shows in France with his singers. With his album "Faux Mutu Moko Boye" Wazekwa was considered as one of the heavy weights in the country. Although the rumba's on that album today being forgotten today, back at that time they had succes. It was the loss of Gessac, Joss Diena and Hono Kapanga that weakened his position. He made a strong comeback with Que Demande le Peuple and later made Memoire ya Nzambe, but never reached the level he had of 2004-2006.


archos #8 on: August 01, 2023, 12:24

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lol, the same Felix Wazekwa who claimed years long in interviews that he had written all the songs that were released on albums by himself and never made used of ghostwriters and/or crediting songs of his bandmembers to himself. Adding that bandleaders needs to be fair with ghostwriters and their bandmember to credit them on their solo-albums for having written songs. I remember journalist Baby Balukuna once revealing that a few songs on his first album Tetragramme were written by Didier Milla although everything being credited to Wazekwa.

He was using koffi's trick with them,they called it "systeme ya ba chinois",he'd never take the song from the guys fully,like koffi also did with him,so a song could be that it was written by ceden or joss or hono or vicky  but he would always cut a part to add his lyrics or transform their lyrics or create a mix like the head is hono the middle him a couple of lines is vicky then the end is him so its difficult to credit the song to somebody so since he is the leader the credit just goes automatically to him like the generiques

Why was he against group albums? Was he afraid of being overshadowed by his artist?

 It was because of his beef with koffi,he was advised by those who guided him into the start of his solo career that he should use his strong band to push him higher in the competition and that  included singing a lot of their work aswell to strenghten his status as a leader,imagine the songs done by joss ceden and vicky were done by them it would make them bigger but at the same team it would take the wazekwa name a bit backwards in the sense that he had to prove himself a lot to stand a competition with koffi
at some point there were at least one or two cultura members who were becoming even more popular than wazekwa himself in those early days so certainly they though that strentghening too much the indivual talents would weaken the leader himself in his personal fight ,where for example a werra saw that having such a strong team and promoting them was a way to counter jb even stronger than alone