Ferre Gola sung Vieux Jaloux on demand of the public. Does this mean that the beef against Werrason will return ? Different Ferre-fans already said not to attend Werra's show at Adidas Arena and not to the use the ticket that they bought.

Knowing the way the Maison Mere camp thrive off of polemique most likely yes

and all this just because ferre did not say that werra was his dad but his vieux so it triggered people from maison mere and i suspect what got ferre over the edge is werra's cousin ladins coming to attack him personally and also rubbishing his festival werra was paid big money for to perform
and in the meantime on the other side,koffi is also very upset that ferre did not show up to his concert despite his kin concert cancelled,and ferre's fans are angry against koffi  because they pretty much did most of the congolo-congolese promotion for him,like it was ferre's own concert and not only he did not thank them and now they are hearing that he is upset for ferre's absence
tells you how with congolese artists any little thing can bring intense fire back in no time

and all this just because ferre did not say that werra was his dad but his vieux so it triggered people from maison mere and i suspect what got ferre over the edge is werra's cousin ladins coming to attack him personally and also rubbishing his festival werra was paid big money for to perform
and in the meantime on the other side,koffi is also very upset that ferre did not show up to his concert despite his kin concert cancelled,and ferre's fans are angry against koffi  because they pretty much did most of the congolo-congolese promotion for him,like it was ferre's own concert and not only he did not thank them and now they are hearing that he is upset for ferre's absence
tells you how with congolese artists any little thing can bring intense fire back in no time

Koffi and Ferre are fine because in his latest post Koffi gave a shoutout to Les Koffiphiles, Koffiettes, Cindy loves and Les Golois

I think that he did that because many fans were mad on social media for Koffi not crediting Les Golois for being there at ING Arena, some even saying that it was time to boycott Koffi. I was present at ING Arena and I had like 5 or 6 Ferre-fans next to me and they started to get at some point irritated for Koffi not crediting them, one guy even keeping screeming "Ba Golois", when Koffi started talking again. Not long after that those so called "prophetes" were claiming that Koffi and Ferre would soon fall out and they would not reconcile for a long moment.

Talking about Quartier Latin, I don't see Kerozene. Did he left ? Also is the story coming from Fally-journalists true ? About Koffi not paying the musicians of Europe (Mogratana, Rolly Nguanzu, Tresor Nzinga, Apocalyps, Chabrown, etc.) nor Quartier Latin itself for the ING Arena-show, saying thank you for messing my concert up. If it's true it's really sad. Because next coming with that many mabanga's, he's himself responsible for it. Because he came hours to late, also often didn't knew what to do, turning his back minutes long to talk to the public to talk to the guitarists (not knowing what song to perform). Also those musicians did that many mabanga's because there was alot of time outs and them not knowing when Cindy and Koffi would come and Binda Bass speakers ordering the musicians to play another song or something the guy with the handbad. There was even a point that Binda Bass took the bass guitar,  people believing that Koffi would come only to hear that it was not the moment and a long moment of silence coming in and the audience starting to become mad and screaming "Koffi, Koffi, Koffi"

and all this just because ferre did not say that werra was his dad but his vieux so it triggered people from maison mere and i suspect what got ferre over the edge is werra's cousin ladins coming to attack him personally and also rubbishing his festival werra was paid big money for to perform
and in the meantime on the other side,koffi is also very upset that ferre did not show up to his concert despite his kin concert cancelled,and ferre's fans are angry against koffi  because they pretty much did most of the congolo-congolese promotion for him,like it was ferre's own concert and not only he did not thank them and now they are hearing that he is upset for ferre's absence
tells you how with congolese artists any little thing can bring intense fire back in no time

Koffi and Ferre are fine because in his latest post Koffi gave a shoutout to Les Koffiphiles, Koffiettes, Cindy loves and Les Golois

yeah i guess he corrected it after facing backlash lol

no they got paid 650 each or something like that,its the kin guys that received less than that

Lol abraham getting involved as if himself did not do his first solo generique and songs dissing jb,these guys and their grudges over lightskinned women is something

Archos I put a huge portion of the blame on Ferre for this. Let us take a look at the unfolding of events:

1. It all started with Werrason announcing Addidas Arena and visiting Ing Arena. Golois attacked him badly and said he was jealous of Ferre by trying to perform in same halls as Ferre. Koffi went to Ing Arena and was supported by the Golois, not talk of him being jealous by picking venue just after Ferre. Though rumour has it that Ferre himself is upset and it is one of the reasons he didn't attend Koffi's concert. Some of his people are telling him that Koffi wants to ride on Golois to make a strong come back and is now going to Geneva just like Ferre did.

2. In the past Ferre called Werrason his musical father...even recently posted mwana nkoyi aza nkoyi. At a time Ferre is so close to Aldophe who is badly fighting Werrason and the likes of Celeo joining the fight, Ferre makes an interview and changes ...he now says Werrason is not his musical father but an elder brother. It is not what he decides to call Werrason that angered WMMM fans but the sudden change at a time Werrason is being badly attacked by those seemingly now close to Ferre. In my view he should have just maintained his earlier position and avoided unnecessary polemiqie given the bad timing. It would have taken nothing from him as we all know this is just symbolic and not real father and son relationship.

3. What followed were usual fights between fans with Golois going as far as attacking Werrason's wife and brothers. Those very close to Ferre have been attacking Werrason and vice versa.

4. With this background, this all started with Ferre's usual poor handling of media appearances. Sometimes he gets caught off guard. Being the source of all these misunderstandings he should have resisted singing that "old jealous" song because recently he admitted it was targeted at Werrason when WMMM got his singers. By singing the song, it gives the impression he carefully planed all what is happening and the Golois have his blessings.

5. Fans can be wrong even close associates and relatives can say things out of emotions just like both camps have done but let us look back at what actually instigated all this...it is Ferre's u-turn and this coincided with the time Werrason was under attack from Aldophe, Celeo and others.

6. See why I say Ferre should have tackled the issue of father/ elder brother better. You don't start something and then play victim and start firing back like it is the other camp that started it.

7. Right now his fans are overwhelmed...they have to fight so many people...Werrason, Fally, Koffi, Mzee Kindingu, Wata, Deplick (for being close to Werra), Miel.....and soon the list will grow.

8. In my view this is all unnecessary polemique. Why not just stay focused and avoid unnecessary polemique especially that things were getting better.

My take on this is simple,a conflict in congolese music never happens from one side,if we assume that werra's people are "only" reacting,then some of  what ferre does is also reaction aswell,there is in all conflicts what people see and what people dont,like when you give adolphe's example he's said nothing special about werra  if anything he's just rubbished the attacks he's been getting since commenting on werra allegedly saying he wears fake clothes and said karma exists and stuff like that yet its considered as " the whole clan being jealous of werra's success" because he is still is close to jb ferre blaise,while he was the only clan wenge member who literally threw a party when ferre succeeded at martyrs so they were always cool for long its not because of werra that suddenly they meet at airport to hurt werra
so you see,especially in the case of wenge,there cant be a conflict where somebody is the saint and the other the victim
they like to anticipate things which leads to reactions from each and other,some make it too openly some are subtle with it and the other catches and "exposes"which then leads to chaos in the future
in the case of ferre and werra particularly you can tell that the peace they had,they did not sit down to clear everything enough and say what they expected from each other,so you'll have like you said external people affecting things,the golois backlash on werra since the visit of ing in a context where ferre's announcement was postponed and subject of mockery by the rivals that the concert would be cancelled like the other one,and then the backlash from werrasoniques for father while he's said big brother multiple times during their peace without an issue and especially werra's cousin ladins  going very personal,i think thats what made things explode,because when it was still only fans vs fans,ferre still tried to keep diplomatic peace by still posting werra's concert and saying positive about it,like i said about wenge is a clan of anticipating everything whether they are right or wrong and they firmly believe whats the result of their analysis
so that reaction by ladins was like the missing piece of the puzzle to conclude that werra himself agrees with everything that had been going on on record and underground,and same from werra's fans perspective its all ferre's fault aswell
i do agree with you 1000000 per cent that its unneccesary,but i think the fundamental issue there with the children thing is whether its symbolic,or whether its an undercover manipulative trick to  keep you under control,ever since our music exists there has always been that case where "the children" grows enough to look at the "father" in the face and it created problems,and you can see that guys like heritier or bill happily accept the good children role regardless of the subtle control hidden behind it by the laws of the game of our music,and on the other hand even when there was no noise,ferre refused to fully commit to it not because he does not respect werra but because of the secret spiritual thing where when if you bow down too much to the dons they can control you and he does not want to be controlled,as a grown man who is even a grandfather already,hence even the start of frailties with koffi off late because he did not come to koffi's concert

My take on this is simple,a conflict in congolese music never happens from one side,if we assume that werra's people are "only" reacting,then some of  what ferre does is also reaction aswell,there is in all conflicts what people see and what people dont,like when you give adolphe's example he's said nothing special about werra  if anything he's just rubbished the attacks he's been getting since commenting on werra allegedly saying he wears fake clothes and said karma exists and stuff like that yet its considered as " the whole clan being jealous of werra's success" because he is still is close to jb ferre blaise,while he was the only clan wenge member who literally threw a party when ferre succeeded at martyrs so they were always cool for long its not because of werra that suddenly they meet at airport to hurt werra
so you see,especially in the case of wenge,there cant be a conflict where somebody is the saint and the other the victim
they like to anticipate things which leads to reactions from each and other,some make it too openly some are subtle with it and the other catches and "exposes"which then leads to chaos in the future
in the case of ferre and werra particularly you can tell that the peace they had,they did not sit down to clear everything enough and say what they expected from each other,so you'll have like you said external people affecting things,the golois backlash on werra since the visit of ing in a context where ferre's announcement was postponed and subject of mockery by the rivals that the concert would be cancelled like the other one,and then the backlash from werrasoniques for father while he's said big brother multiple times during their peace without an issue and especially werra's cousin ladins  going very personal,i think thats what made things explode,because when it was still only fans vs fans,ferre still tried to keep diplomatic peace by still posting werra's concert and saying positive about it,like i said about wenge is a clan of anticipating everything whether they are right or wrong and they firmly believe whats the result of their analysis
so that reaction by ladins was like the missing piece of the puzzle to conclude that werra himself agrees with everything that had been going on on record and underground,and same from werra's fans perspective its all ferre's fault aswell
i do agree with you 1000000 per cent that its unneccesary,but i think the fundamental issue there with the children thing is whether its symbolic,or whether its an undercover manipulative trick to  keep you under control,ever since our music exists there has always been that case where "the children" grows enough to look at the "father" in the face and it created problems,and you can see that guys like heritier or bill happily accept the good children role regardless of the subtle control hidden behind it by the laws of the game of our music,and on the other hand even when there was no noise,ferre refused to fully commit to it not because he does not respect werra but because of the secret spiritual thing where when if you bow down too much to the dons they can control you and he does not want to be controlled,as a grown man who is even a grandfather already,hence even the start of frailties with koffi off late because he did not come to koffi's concert

When you say control you mean on the spiritual part? Because in my opinion those who bowed down to Werra like Fabregas, Wata their careers is in a weird space in my opinion

Yep,thats almost often been the pattern,the older being against departure,personal development of the younger,then the younger blowing up which often includes tricking the older spiritually to limit his influence from far,then phases of being close again which come with the younger been higher and higher,and the older wanting to take full credit for his growth  and wanting to be as close as possible to him to then become like a guru and even in normal life they'd want you to align on everything they think,their enemies have to be yours and so on
its like say for example a parent who kicked his son from home and tried to disturb the life of the children even from outside,because he did whatever hurt him,then the children 10 15 years later becoming a big personality and all of a sudden the father is like this is my son and wants the son to be putting his parenthood in the spotlight for his own honor and then the "children" being like nahh i wont take no littleboying
there is both the spiritual and the normal,sometimes either,sometimes both

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Is there anything we don't know that led to this change. In my view this was the genesis at least in the eyes of the public. Unless there is a spiritual battle we cannot see.

yeah definitely something spiritual,like i said before in my comments,every single "father" and "children" since decades of our music,there was only ever some peace when there was not active competition which required spirituality,competition in our music is rarely based on co existence it quickly goes down the supression of the other route
they were becoming good really good,we could have seen some surprises but then stuff happened behind the scenes which alerted each other
and you know the bad thing with congolese people in general,and that spirit had started from music polemic and went down to the whole community almost,people dont know how to solve conflicts or quickly shut down something,if somebody pops out and accuses the other of something instead of coming out to explain peacefully to the other that he misinterpreted,the accused person or his camp will actually do stuff to confirm you were right to think whatever you thought,look at for example adolphe and werra  david mombele says with a straigth face that werra said that adolphe wears fake clothes and is jealous of him,which werra never said,adolphe reacts surprised and offended,instead of somebody coming to say sorry president adolphe david exaggerated it or whatever they came out to call adolphe all sorts of names,after kulutu people from maison mere say ferre is ungrateful ferre's fans react which is considered by the weird logic  of congo that you are ungrateful and impolite once you dont say exactly what fans of somebody often older want to say the way they want it then ladins comes out hard and while the kulutu thing was cooling downand there was a window of quickly appeasing things again ladins come out,so on one side they now proudly justify "being jealous" and the other "being ungrateful",instead of using the voice of reason and quickly stop something completely avoidable
even with ferre himself,ferre says kindingu has his own business and is not his employee,instead of kindingu just saying he is upset by ferre's stance which he sees as belittling him,he turns on ferre and starts going extra hard on him and praising those he used to attack
you see its a vicious circle where nobody does the right move to avoid crisis,the cordial relationship our artists can have  is very fragile and requires being fake to each other to maintain apparent peace longterm

All this because Papa Herve said Werra is his big bro and not dad?? Like what’s wrong is wrong with some people?! When in reality Werra is Ferre’s big bro in age. Vieux Jaloux moko boye.