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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on February 24, 2018, 21:56
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After a flying start of new group/solo career prompted by various big concerts,jb mpiana will perform in september of 2001 and this concert will indirectly start a new era for him
in fact,while the group arrives with an unprecedented list of 90+ visas funded by the then associations of the biggest diamond businessmen of kasai and especially cardozo muamba, jb will be caught by amida shatur about his relationship with dancer nono and she threatens to leave with all the kids if she sees nono anywhere around bercy
from that moment will start a private war behind the scenes between him and amida,and he performs at bercy and releases group album internet but like with his solo albums clips will be released way after letting his main rivals werrason and koffi olomide take an edge over him
at the end of the year he will get an offer from another producer to do a remix of feux de l'amour but he is reluctant as he still has a deal with simon despite their open disagreement over clips
in 2002,bcbg will again have a strong year but at private level things will start to worsen with amida seemingly going for revenge by dating some of the "pires petits" of jb as to respond to him dating nono
in the same year he will receive an approach of producer jps who promises to do much better promotion for him and get him some trophies to boost his popularity but he will decline for two reasons the first is that simon threatens to sue him as they'd still have several years of contract him having signed a 10 year contract without any particular awareness over how tricky such a contract could become
and the second being that he wants three times the amount he got from simon deal as he considers its jps who came for him so he has to pay the right price to get the star he is so the deal collapses
2003 will start positively with a lot of contracts and jb getting introduced to several presidents of countries and at private level with a bit of peace with his wife but one first even will affect his year with burglars visiting him at home and stealing an important amount of money he just got from a private concert to one president but while he is advised to file a complaint and make the story public he takes a step back saying after all its money and he is sure he'll soon get much more than that
then shortly after another blow with visas being denied for a tour where the group is supposed to record album anti terro fully in europe and even worse the group is hit with a 5 years of ban over several facts including the fact less than half of the mammoth bercy list returns to kinshasa and the nail of the coffin will be a very strong tension between him and her wife over their continuous relationships and one night stands outside their couple which will lead to her furiously leaving house with the kids and to add insult to injury will be now dating didi kinuani who is having a conflict with his now ex friend jb over a common side kick
jb will see this situation as supreme humiliation and will be very down,even at some point having suicide pills next to him only to his friend jules kibens secretly throwing it away
he will spend a whole week at his home surrounded by jules kibens,jdl trabendo and seguin who will advise him either to go to europe on his own to take a rest or to brazza but alerted about the situation spiritual authorities of his hometown kananga will invite him and will make him one of the traditional chiefs,as he actually comes from a family
in which some ancestors and grand parents had that role already and also to show him he has his brothers behind him and he will make a promise to come several times in each year to visit them and thank them (which he will not respect leading to some of them threatening to make sure he dies the day he comes back)
a bit boosted by that he returns to kinshasa and while his sponsor bralima expresses concern over the impact his lack of europe tours will have on his buzz and popularity and the effet it might have on their sales,he promises to make extra efforts to make sure to compensate and one of the first major signs of it will be his second ever beer ad primus pelisa nguasuma also known as primus kindingu which will have a great success
in that same year of 2004 he will decide to take the group to south africa to continue record of anti terro instead of studio meko were a quite below par from his admission later on programming was done and which will condition the final result but will use that album to express in several songs his deep feelings about his ex wife either aiming shots at her or asking her to come back so that he gets his life back on track and he will be contacted to perform at zenith and a couple more of european concerts on his own with either the pipiyu who will be convinced to return to work with him or a makeshift band of session musicians and despite the good contracts he will decline the offer as he feels deeply grateful to his group and especially the core of his friend kibens,his pire petit jdl and his "son" seguin aswell as the rest of the group who stood by him
meanwhile he will be either spending hours in thedark mourning the departure of his wife or be taken by those friends into intense partying life to try to forget about what is going on and it will longterm affect his voice known to be crisp clear and easy to hit high notes
and when he seems a bit in good mood they define a strategy in the group into order to remain relevant without europe tours as spokesmen and musicians of rival groups mock them on tv for being stuck in kinshasa
their plan will be at the same time to perform more in popular areas of kinshasa to break the image some people have of an arrogant group only interested in VIP concerts in kinshasa,and at the same times organize more VIP concerts
and once again a primus generique will come to boost things with the generique bongolowayi which the "bcbg presenter" djo k kabengele will heavily praise on tv and label it a thunderbolt or a landslide to allude to the instant impact even before official release
another positive event will be the fikin showdown vs his rival werrason for arguably the longest concert ever involving only two groups but unfortunately the concert ends with controversy as the concert ends with gun shots injuring some bcbg members in the same year he will be dealt another personal blow with official wedding of amida with didi kinuani and presence of his rival but friend werrason and this will lead with him getting again in intensive partying and moments of deep sadness which he tries to hide once he is on stage or on tv
and one night he starts contacting press to announce a future press conference in which he secretly ponders in the heat of the moment to announce he retires for music or takes a good break
and as the group is nominated at kora awards,he is so disinterested that he only sends his spokesman blanchard mosaka and kisindjora to represent him and the group's album arrives second or third behind les marquis
in 2006 thanks to some lawyers he manages to get a short contract in france but with the condition that should any of the member leave the ban would become 3 years longer
and the group performs at dock eiffell and once back in kinshasa another album is planned with several dances starting to gain popularity in concerts but as we are in a deep polemic era,spokesmen of maison mere especially sankara dekunta mocks the concert saying they did not have right to perform and had to end concert in panic as police arrived and jb claimed he was a photographer and despite jb ordering employees not to reply secretary mbuta kiss will storm on tv claiming to have papers proving that two rival groups were behind the group's ban by providing further information and false information but his intervention will be censored as he is very upset and has very strong words
in the same year still with that strategy of VIP concerts jb will have probably the most expensive ever concert so far at one of the restaurants of grand hotel with tickets sold 650 dollars and audience full of the biggest donors of the group
in 2007 album kipe ya yo is out and there is success with the dance lopele and in private jb and amida start talking a bit thanks to kids
in 2008 after the 5 years of ban are official over the group returns to europe with maxi single quel est ton probleme and especially the songs zadio and liberez which are already very popular in congo
few months after that,jb is informed of the official breakup of amida and kinuani and does his best to get her back and in early 2009 he will have a big scare after a concert,while he has arrived home after 9 hours almost of concert he starts having strange seizure and heart beating anormally fast and will fall but thanks to quick intervention of his "crew" he is quickly sent to hospital and afterwards it will lead to two months almost without a concert as jb goes to france for treatment and makes sure news does not go viral with only the story of a heated argument with boguys bompema at rehearsal that week being revealed by newspapers
This event will make his love for his "crew" like he calls it grow a lot as he genuinely believes he owes them a lot for their quick reaction and to pay them back he will completely ignore all the pressure from fans to remove them and will go further to stop public rehearsals in order to protect them as some too passionate fans physically challenge them
And when he is back he looks rejuvenated and more confident and cuts his long dreadlocks to revert to his look of zenith 1999 and rumours start to spread that amida is back home and his 42nd birthday in june of that year will confirm the news as he officially presents her at concert saying,half of me was gone now that half is back ladies and gentlemen a round of applause for madam mpiana the special guest of this concert
and from then he decides spending a lot more time taking care about himself,his private life,his private business and enjoying life,not anymore putting some aspects of his career as his absolute priority as he is eager to keep his family united this time and decides he will no longer do anything related to music under pressure because he has something much more important than that which is his life as a human being and will add to bcbg's program several holidays which never happened when music was his absolute priority and he was on top of his game
the other side of his decision to chill and do things when he feels it and not because of competition is his ego still sending him the message that no matter what he has cemented for himself a career many would dream about so he has no reason to keep being obsessed about proving a point
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2003 was a very diffcult year for him. yeah, I remember him getting invited for shows in Guinee Conakry, Niger and Angola, who were a huge succes getting received by the presidents of those countries and giving also private shows for them. Mbuta Kis made a similair interview in the autumn of 2003 attacking then Koffi Olomide for blocking them and claiming that he was reponsible for Zaiko being blocked for 3 years in Kinshasa. They were then claiming that the embassady of Belgium gave them visa's, but they didn't travel on the end.
kiekiekie Sankara made me laugh when said that. He also called JB Mpiana "wiskey JB" and that they had to pay Zaiko money. Since that they were making plagiarism of Zaiko. But he was a little bit right. Because that animation of "aza muana congo", which Genta did in Bongolowayi on end is a derived from an animation Zaiko did back in 1997. In the song of Betu Bayaya, but it was a not a succes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ZdceJZENc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGRcy_V3Ek
I tought that JB Mpiana was making a big comeback, when the dance Mpunda started to be a big succes announcing Soyons Serieux and Chemin de Fer. I guess that the combattans-affaire in 2011 made him disinterest more in music.
I think that JB Mpiana's situation would a little bit different if Primus didn't interrup his tour in 2002. Because they were then already recording Anti-Terro, which was meant for the PPU. With the release of album being scheduled for November 2002. But they were forced to interrup the tour for summer-concerts (FIKIN, kermesse de Stade des Martyrs, etc.), 24 communes de Kinshasa and a big tour in Congo. Primus and Skol disturbed the Congolese music by interrputing tours and forcing them to record singles/EP's, while they were concentrated on recording their albums. All that because of the succes of Tindika Lokito and Pelisa Nguasuma.I remember Koffi being forced by Skol to interrup his tour in 2006 and being imposed to bring with him Fally Ipupa & Ferre Gola for some concerts in Kinshasa. Werrason had the same situation in 2010. He had to stop his activities in Europe 6 months longs. They interrupted his tour and the recording of Malewa Suite et Fin for a big tour in Congo, concerts in Kinshasa and summer-activities and imposed him also to record a single (Diatabawu) for them. Which made Malewa getting delayed, while it was scheduled for December 2010.
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haha yeah that style of animation is zaiko's but in reality that's bana odeon rhythm,and nono doudou bebe and genta himself all went through that "school" which is why a lot of old school insist real animation is kikongo plus shaker
primus and skol had so much influence at times,they were capable of blocking an artist and making him invite kids to kin to maintain their rhythm of concerts or to force back one of them who was recording in europe to come back just for some "random" popular area concert or two of them
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I'm not gonna lie after reading this I have more respect for kibens no matter what we say about him he saved jb's life as for seguin and jdl pffff but I understand why jb refuses to kick them out ahh jb really had it tough but hopefully that will be a lesson to him either don't cheat on your wife or don't get caught lol
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haha yeah be faithful which is the most safe option and the best or avoid strong characters like amida,amazone and co :D :D :D :D
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I hope our friend @Emo has a little more sympahy for JB after reading that. Lots of brutual blows in those years.
Kiekie, but the way he's let Amida control his emotions and his life.... that's a huge violation of a man code. Almost as bad as that CD shop owner crying over a woman :D :D
I know she's the mother of your children, but you're a damn African icon... women come easy for African musicans, even the mbonda player. The offical term for his situation is Cuckold. It's good that's he's going to great length now to make sure his personal life stays private.
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The English say: Loyalty defines a man the way JB has been loyal to his crew that stood with him at his time of need. Many are times we have seen how vulnerable these icons are at a personal level. The only hope is that the crew don't take advantage his loyalty to them by being overly controlling of him.
That "650" dollars concert is it the one where Didier Masela fonduer appeared together with model lady Gillian Mupemba on Valentine's day at GHK?
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The English say: Loyalty defines a man the way JB has been loyal to his crew that stood with him at his time of need. Many are times we have seen how vulnerable these icons are at a personal level. The only hope is that the crew don't take advantage his loyalty to them by being overly controlling of him.
That "650" dollars concert is it the one where Didier Masela fonduer appeared together with model lady Gillian Mupemba on Valentine's day at GHK?
Wapi Le Minon Maniata?
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@archos
That's true loyalty! No wonder he's so protective of his bandmates status, in spite of intense fan pressure.
Had Anti-Terror made it's initally release date, do you think it would have been at the level of TH and Titanic? The Anti-Terror we all ended up hearing was pretty good, but had the original attempt been finished...I feel like it could have been a classic album.
I'm actually surprised that JPS reached out to Mpiana, he was a musical rival to their biggest artist Werrason. I suppose if controlled opposition is more profitable than pure competition.
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The English say: Loyalty defines a man the way JB has been loyal to his crew that stood with him at his time of need. Many are times we have seen how vulnerable these icons are at a personal level. The only hope is that the crew don't take advantage his loyalty to them by being overly controlling of him.
That "650" dollars concert is it the one where Didier Masela fonduer appeared together with model lady Gillian Mupemba on Valentine's day at GHK?
Wapi Le Minon Maniata?
Wana aza na motema mabe naturally. I think he should be stripped of his Chef D'orchestra role. Then he will be less controlling. And the fact he is considered as "son" doesn't help either. But his time will come to leave sooner or later.
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Matebu the thing is that he was and is convinced that she'd be his amazone he'd spend all his life with and apart for that spiritually bcbg is/was both of them so she was very very vital
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The English say: Loyalty defines a man the way JB has been loyal to his crew that stood with him at his time of need. Many are times we have seen how vulnerable these icons are at a personal level. The only hope is that the crew don't take advantage his loyalty to them by being overly controlling of him.
That "650" dollars concert is it the one where Didier Masela fonduer appeared together with model lady Gillian Mupemba on Valentine's day at GHK?
no that concert was not filmed or just if i recall well djo k had 30 minutes exclusivity it was very private,and even the first lady who appreciates jb's music a lot was there
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Archos can you still do that topic of after the split of the early stages of maison mere and bcbg all the way till how blaise bula, alain Makaba, didier, Adolph were forced out and how and when jb and werra got those ideas from and how they all reconciled with each other
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Yes Matebu. If you could i would love to know if there were any other reasons for 4x4 split other than the feux de l’amour thing.
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Yes Matebu. If you could i would love to know if there were any other reasons for 4x4 split other than the feux de l’amour thing.
Ndeko, all questions and more will be answered here ;)
http://congovibes.com/congolese-music/from-the-the-big-rise-to-the-fall-out-of-wenge-musica-4x4-tout-terrain/
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What about Alain Mpela archos ? Did he help JB when he was depressed in 2003 ? Did his departure really affected him and BCBG ?
If I understand well Anti-Terro was originally a PPU album scheduled for a late 2002 release. But the fact sponsors call him for some concerts in Kinshasa cancelled that and then it became a BCBG album and they started to record it in Kinshasa in 2003 when they get the 5 years ban and the departure of Alain Mpela made them start from scratch and they finally finish the album in South Africa in 2004.
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What about Alain Mpela archos ? Did he help JB when he was depressed in 2003 ? Did his departure really affected him and BCBG ?
If I understand well Anti-Terro was originally a PPU album scheduled for a late 2002 release. But the fact sponsors call him for some concerts in Kinshasa cancelled that and then it became a BCBG album and they started to record it in Kinshasa in 2003 when they get the 5 years ban and the departure of Alain Mpela made them start from scratch and they finally finish the album in South Africa in 2004.
Anti Terro was orginally a PPU album, which had to precede Chemin de Fer "aka 11eme Commadement". Alain Mpela had to put 6 songs on that album (some songs ended up in Intifada). But guys like Jules Kibens & Bogus Bompemba were not happy and wanted to have also songs on that album. So they recuded Alain Mpela songs to 4, to let some BCBG-members also have songs on that album. So it became a JB, PPU & Wenge BCBG-album. After tbat JB returned Kinshasa with BCBG, leaving the PPU again in Europe along with CNN (who just joined the band). After all those concerts in Kinshasa they tried to return to Europe at the end of 2002 and beginning of 2003, preparing aa huge in event on the background (Triple Zenith), to counter Maison Mere's succes of 2002. This all reacted a lot buzz and polemic. But they got their request for visa's getting rejected serveral times with Papa Wemba's arrestation making it worser. So they started to tour in Congo with primus (Bouclage) and recording some songs in Kinshasa (RTNC, Studio Meko and an other studio) The PPU's were tired to wait for them, since that they started to beg poeple money in Paris and Brussels for months. So they decided to leave. Which led Anti-Terro to become a BCBG-album. The departure of the PPU's made the situation for JB Mpiana worse. because they were one of the reasons that JB failed to get visa's for the Schengen-area the whole year long and with them leaving he got a 5 year ban. They tried several times to negociate with the embassadies of France and Belgium for their situation, but if one country agreed the other would disagree. Werrason had the same problem in 2004, because of that Ngulu-incident in 2002 in Brussels with that women who claimed to be scammed by Werrason for Ngulu's. Which made them stay in two years long in Kinshasa and touring just only in the U.K. and several African countries. But they were lucky to let those problems stay secret. After that the Stade de Charletty-event got cancelled,they tried several times to get visa's for the Schengen-area. But their requests got still rejected several times, which made him record Alerte Generale in Kinshasa, since that they he wanted to record Miracles in Europe and weren't sure to return to Europe. But they were lucky that they had alot of politicians behind of them. Which made them get visa's on the last minutes in 2004 for those Christmas-shows, after that Alerte Generale got released.
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alain mpela helped but it was a tricky situation for him,unless i am mistaken its because of alain mpela that didi arrived around 4 X4 then bcbg and maison mere simultaneously so he was doing some effort but not like the rest who were literally ready to attack him
also about the bcbg situation since 2001 alain and jb was not the same anymore people started convincing him that with blaise makaba and masela starting to go idle he could become the fourth clan wenge leader(people forget about marie paul easily,let alone manda) and there was issue of album aswell as he had taken money already so he was under pressure( hence the quick release of intifida once gone)
jb himself was very affected but a couple of the other guys at the head of the group were relieved as they'd go higher in hierarchy
jb even said like 7 years after or more its only abraham who have made me heal the loss of alain mpela
to explain in short there relationship before 2003 2004 alain mpela literally took werra's role,very involved in personal secrets,strong trust...And having lived with jb also had that "younger brother" thing
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@mvulusi96
I had no idea CNN was in PPU, I always assumed he joined Quarter Latin Integral after his falling out with Koffi. Wasn't the album Volte de Face was released in 2002? I'm guess his run with the PPU ended just as quickly as it started due to the visa situation.
Knowing the feud between Koffi and JB Mpiana during the early 2000s, why would Alain Mpela even entertain any type of contact with Koffi Olomide? I feel like he created a situation where he viewed as compromised in terms of loyalty. As great as Anti-Terror was, Mpela's absence definately diminished the group's appeal.
It's interesting to hear the collabs btw Wenge BCBG and PPU during that time, Bic Rouge had interesting dynamic with the Wenge musicans.
https://youtu.be/9spTskrg5mk
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thinking about it funnily enough jb accepted all the singers of the collapsing wenge kumbela except jordan who went to latino and all the backline went to pierrette adams
so outside heritier and didi kalombo the early ppu's were mainly wenge kumbela guys( late cellulaire,yondi,djo lokis,zakoko,dolin,bic rouge,apis volcan)
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@mvulusi96
I had no idea CNN was in PPU, I always assumed he joined Quarter Latin Integral after his falling out with Koffi. Wasn't the album Volte de Face was released in 2002? I'm guess his run with the PPU ended just as quickly as it started due to the visa situation.
Knowing the feud between Koffi and JB Mpiana during the early 2000s, why would Alain Mpela even entertain any type of contact with Koffi Olomide? I feel like he created a situation where he viewed as compromised in terms of loyalty. As great as Anti-Terror was, Mpela's absence definately diminished the group's appeal.
It's interesting to hear the collabs btw Wenge BCBG and PPU during that time, Bic Rouge had interesting dynamic with the Wenge musicans.
https://youtu.be/9spTskrg5mk
CNN was with BCBG,not with the PPU's, but he didn't return with them to Kinshasa. JB Mpiana said to him to stay in Europe.
CNN joined Felix Wazekwa for a moment like Eric Tutsi. Then he went to Europe on his own. I never understanded CNN's situation, because JB always said on tv that CNN was a BCBG-member and waiting for them in Europe, but at the same time he was releasing songs with Lebou Kabuya. Volte Face a single of two songs to test them. The succes of that single in France and Africa made them sign with 1er Classe, which was a label of the French rap-duo "Neg'Marrons". Volte Face was mainly recorded with session-artists Spino La Djatence, Silawuka Ngouma, Biva Rai, etc. Then Lebou went to Kinshasa, recuiting guys like Mirage Supersonice, Mon Ami Guelord, etc. and went to record Voodoo with CNN and them in Dakar, in Youssou N'dour's studio.
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thinking about it funnily enough jb accepted all the singers of the collapsing wenge kumbela except jordan who went to latino and all the backline went to pierrette adams
so outside heritier and didi kalombo the early ppu's were mainly wenge kumbela guys( late cellulaire,yondi,djo lokis,zakoko,dolin,bic rouge,apis volcan)
did Bic Rouge join PPU in Kinshasa or Paris ? Because I remember Wenge Kumbela touring in France in 2002, but I don't know if Bic Rouge was still with them.
I remember Alain Mpela's father being angry wanting him to leave BCBG after Bercy. Claiming that he couldn't even the rent of his house and then that rumour of BCBG being split. Of Alain Mpela having created another band with some PPU and BCBG members.
Alain Mpela recorded Intifada to quick. It was released two months after his departure from BCBG. He had to take some time to record that EP. It was better if he recorded an album, then quickly a EP. I wonder what JB's reaction was to the song decicated to Didi Kinuani. I'm sure that he saw him as a traitor, escpially with those songi-songi guys close to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcgIQzeUbjY
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he came from kin with the group at last minute with the traditional dancers
alain made a mistake which is that he lived the flashy lifestyle,buying brand new lexus and co without having an hand in the group's finances the way seguin and jdl do these days,so like most of those who went hardcore on that lifestyle thing he was shining but struggling in private,like he proudly said back then he'd rather go and spend 1000 dollars at grand hotel than staying home like a pastor
obviously him singing for didi pissed jb big time with the guys coming in like "boss you see what did we tell you that guy is a snake" and they exaggerated at some point alain tried to rejoin in 2006 2007 but he the clan of new chiefs planned to humiliate him by asking fans to request him kneeling down but genta and chai warned him so he took a step back and stayed in europe
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he came from kin with the group at last minute with the traditional dancers
alain made a mistake which is that he lived the flashy lifestyle,buying brand new lexus and co without having an hand in the group's finances the way seguin and jdl do these days,so like most of those who went hardcore on that lifestyle thing he was shining but struggling in private,like he proudly said back then he'd rather go and spend 1000 dollars at grand hotel than staying home like a pastor
obviously him singing for didi pissed jb big time with the guys coming in like "boss you see what did we tell you that guy is a snake" and they exaggerated at some point alain tried to rejoin in 2006 2007 but he the clan of new chiefs planned to humiliate him by asking fans to request him kneeling down but genta and chai warned him so he took a step back and stayed in europe
Why do those chiefs and staff always want to humilate big musicians who want return to their band ? Why aren't they cool like Papa Wemba's and Koffi Olomide's staff, who don't care about humilating ex'musicians.
Did Bic Rouge perform then at Bercy ?
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@mvulusi96
CNN would of been a strange chocie for BCBG, his vocal style doesn't share chemistry with Genta or Celluaire nor the general sound of Wenge.
Besides, the loss of Mpela and the group's visa hold-up likely forced CNN to move on from a possiblity of collaborating with BCBG. PPU ultimately decided the same thing, which explains their solo release a year or so later.
How did JB feel about PPU branching off from him, has he ever commeneted about that group? Does he still get along with the core members?
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he was very pissed about them because they made his issues get worse and you can feel his anger through didi kalombo when he returned he was pretty much the alain mpela of the PPU and jb punished him by telling him he'll have to earn his way back from the absolute bottom along with the newly recruited guys of then modashow and co while him didi expected to be straight into starting lineup instead of boguys
talking about cnn anybody interested in a biography of him?
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talking about cnn anybody interested in a biography of him?
Do it it's been a long ass time since you've done a biography
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@ Yes, please do a biography on atalaku CNN!
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Yes, please do a biography on atalaku CNN!