Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: shamala on July 03, 2023, 04:05
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I could be wrong..
https://youtu.be/Q7F4ByxNWtE
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yes he was back but got fired because gabbana who just returned snitched on him and some others who were complaining with the fact that they were not getting their money anymore and things like that in the whatsapp group of the band in which wazekwa is not present
the whole band was upset because the brothers are blocking their money and being harsh towards them(every 5 year or so wazekwa's brothers return heavily in the group's administration and do what they want which their brother trusts since blood is thicker than water like they say) it took an intervention from kibens to avoid him literally sacking the whole band because even eclipse was upset because he did his clips of his songs but an order had been given by the admins to tvs not to promote it
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yes he was back but got fired because gabbana who just returned snitched on him and some others who were complaining with the fact that they were not getting their money anymore and things like that in the whatsapp group of the band in which wazekwa is not present
the whole band was upset because the brothers are blocking their money and being harsh towards them(every 5 year or so wazekwa's brothers return heavily in the group's administration and do what they want which their brother trusts since blood is thicker than water like they say) it took an intervention from kibens to avoid him literally sacking the whole band because even eclipse was upset because he did his clips of his songs but an order had been given by the admins to tvs not to promote it
Gabbana is stupid, the same will happen to him, and about Wazekwa, I thought ye was a strong willed man, he must understand that nobody is Turing in for rumba songs by him only, so he should take the carne back
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Never knew wazekwa is this weak when dealing with management
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he is normally good at handling stuff but when its sudden strong pressure he panicks big time,maybe due to being a late learner of the leadership role by congolese standards
if its two three guys moaning or misbehaving he'll deal with it quick,but when its the whole band like in the two times where hes seen several musicians move at the same time,he just panicks and tries to force authority especially as his brothers,except zeka luzeka all encourage him in being mean and ruthless like his colleagues
i'll give you an anecdote once 7 musicians came for emergencies(rent,family ilness and so on),his brothers said no dont give them anything they are musicians they must beg donors and so on,so he had to pretend that me and his sister bibi were gone to pay something to pass money through to the guys
so i think even the current moaning he's facing in the band,he has good ideas for the guys but the bros are strongly opposed to it and they are probably more stubborn than him
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he is normally good at handling stuff but when its sudden strong pressure he panicks big time,maybe due to being a late learner of the leadership role by congolese standards
if its two three guys moaning or misbehaving he'll deal with it quick,but when its the whole band like in the two times where hes seen several musicians move at the same time,he just panicks and tries to force authority especially as his brothers,except zeka luzeka all encourage him in being mean and ruthless like his colleagues
i'll give you an anecdote once 7 musicians came for emergencies(rent,family ilness and so on),his brothers said no dont give them anything they are musicians they must beg donors and so on,so he had to pretend that me and his sister bibi were gone to pay something to pass money through to the guys
so i think even the current moaning he's facing in the band,he has good ideas for the guys but the bros are strongly opposed to it and they are probably more stubborn than him
If that’s the case why don’t the brothers join the group and become the musician and play all the instruments and sing for free and only expect reward from donors by begging. I’m sorry but it seems to me Wazekwa isn’t a smart man as he claims to be or surrounded by smart people.
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he is normally good at handling stuff but when its sudden strong pressure he panicks big time,maybe due to being a late learner of the leadership role by congolese standards
if its two three guys moaning or misbehaving he'll deal with it quick,but when its the whole band like in the two times where hes seen several musicians move at the same time,he just panicks and tries to force authority especially as his brothers,except zeka luzeka all encourage him in being mean and ruthless like his colleagues
i'll give you an anecdote once 7 musicians came for emergencies(rent,family ilness and so on),his brothers said no dont give them anything they are musicians they must beg donors and so on,so he had to pretend that me and his sister bibi were gone to pay something to pass money through to the guys
so i think even the current moaning he's facing in the band,he has good ideas for the guys but the bros are strongly opposed to it and they are probably more stubborn than him
I mean doesn't the person with the most money i nthe family.dictste rules in our families? Why is he letting his brothers which I imagine never did.anything all these years until they heard about Zenith belly him like this? He must be careful, he is not a great singer, people.don't tune him to hear him sing and tbh the donors won't take him seriously especially after he did all that noise for Gessac to then treat him like this. It is just sad, and tbh if I was Wazekwa I would fire my brothers and cut foods until they get back on their proper minds
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Like all ex musicians of group songolo, bakoti deja studio. :D
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gesac looks like he's smoke a good fat spliff lol
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Like all ex musicians of group songolo, bakoti deja studio. :D
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Tbh this image is sad, even tho I didn't like Gessac retour in 'S Grave you must feel bad for a guy who was struggling in his solo career went back and then for no reason got kicked out again, Wazekwa is such a weak man, also Ceden who tbh was the best singer of the recent line up along with that guy who always smile when he dances forgot his name, and who struggle by asking for food in the streets in Angola to just then being let off for again no reason, I really hope that their album can do well and they can have some buzz
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Like all ex musicians of group songolo, bakoti deja studio. :D
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Tshipoyi gives his version (Anyone with the translation?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr5MsY1ty58
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in short he says that he came back to cultura because wazekwa said on tv that he was open to his return,but now he feels like he said it just to look good and not from the heart,because when he came back they sat and he promised a lot of changes for example bringing back monthy salary via bank deposit,cars for all the chiefs(eclipse him ceden joss) so that they can promote the group and fight against that system which is born since the fally ferre reign of leaders literally being proper solo artists with all the focus only on them,and that way it would have brought opportunity for that young generation they found in the group to become real stars like them back in the days but he faced wazekwa and his family who were strongly against all those ideas and what hurt him is that wazekwa never called him to say hey eric(his real name) come here i am hearing you guys are moaning what is the problem but instead just went down the ruthless way in firing most of the chefs,even eclipse was in danger if wazekwa did not happen to be at home with his friend kibens when the storm started and he advised that it would be suicidal to get rid of all the chefs in one shot especially eclipse who has been with him through thick and thin
he said he is not out there to start beef with wazekwa again but since they were fired they will just do their job because he has 5 kids to feed who are all already in ages where they are quite demanding so he cant stay like that so he followed his big brother from the same area ceden to collaborate with him, not that they are on a rebel group to start frontal beef but in order to continue their career
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in short he says that he came back to cultura because wazekwa said on tv that he was open to his return,but now he feels like he said it just to look good and not from the heart,because when he came back they sat and he promised a lot of changes for example bringing back monthy salary via bank deposit,cars for all the chiefs(eclipse him ceden joss) so that they can promote the group and fight against that system which is born since the fally ferre reign of leaders literally being proper solo artists with all the focus only on them,and that way it would have brought opportunity for that young generation they found in the group to become real stars like them back in the days but he faced wazekwa and his family who were strongly against all those ideas and what hurt him is that wazekwa never called him to say hey eric(his real name) come here i am hearing you guys are moaning what is the problem but instead just went down the ruthless way in firing most of the chefs,even eclipse was in danger if wazekwa did not happen to be at home with his friend kibens when the storm started and he advised that it would be suicidal to get rid of all the chefs in one shot especially eclipse who has been with him through thick and thin
he said he is not out there to start beef with wazekwa again but since they were fired they will just do their job because he has 5 kids to feed who are all already in ages where they are quite demanding so he cant stay like that so he followed his big brother from the same area ceden to collaborate with him, not that they are on a rebel group to start frontal beef but in order to continue their career
Man that's extremely sad, I think that every musician who is in Congolese groups if he can leave once in Europe or other places in Africa he should tbh, Wazekwa is an extremely weak man, and my respect for him Dropped trmenedoualy
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yes he was back but got fired because gabbana who just returned snitched on him and some others who were complaining with the fact that they were not getting their money anymore and things like that in the whatsapp group of the band in which wazekwa is not present
the whole band was upset because the brothers are blocking their money and being harsh towards them(every 5 year or so wazekwa's brothers return heavily in the group's administration and do what they want which their brother trusts since blood is thicker than water like they say) it took an intervention from kibens to avoid him literally sacking the whole band because even eclipse was upset because he did his clips of his songs but an order had been given by the admins to tvs not to promote it
Now that I think about it, what would have happened if he sacked the whole band? Just him without any musicians? Even the instrumentalists?
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he would have never done that,except maybe defao no leader had the courage to literally disband their group(even though after he took a step back)
these leaders are not stupid,they know that 1 the guys are passionate about music 2 even though they dont get the life they aimed for,being together for that long becomes like some family so people are unconsciously willing to stay together 3 there will always be more than half of the band which will be scared of unemployment and becoming (even more) of a laughing stock so they will back down
wazekwa and his brothers have sent people to try to get ceden arrested and have sent the musicians and some newly hired spokesmen to attack him to try to save face since in congolese music its always the leader and his camp which has to win at the end,and ceden did an interview very angry threatening to expose audios of all of them even after staying still complaining and audios of him when he was teaching wazekwa to sing in studio and how they were argueing because he was repeatedly messing the way he had to follow the melodies done by ceden to shape the songs in studio as wazekwa called him a rotten fruit in an interview
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yes he was back but got fired because gabbana who just returned snitched on him and some others who were complaining with the fact that they were not getting their money anymore and things like that in the whatsapp group of the band in which wazekwa is not present
the whole band was upset because the brothers are blocking their money and being harsh towards them(every 5 year or so wazekwa's brothers return heavily in the group's administration and do what they want which their brother trusts since blood is thicker than water like they say) it took an intervention from kibens to avoid him literally sacking the whole band because even eclipse was upset because he did his clips of his songs but an order had been given by the admins to tvs not to promote it
Now that I think about it, what would have happened if he sacked the whole band? Just him without any musicians? Even the instrumentalists?
He would’ve just hired new musicians, it’s very easy.
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in short he says that he came back to cultura because wazekwa said on tv that he was open to his return,but now he feels like he said it just to look good and not from the heart,because when he came back they sat and he promised a lot of changes for example bringing back monthy salary via bank deposit,cars for all the chiefs(eclipse him ceden joss) so that they can promote the group and fight against that system which is born since the fally ferre reign of leaders literally being proper solo artists with all the focus only on them,and that way it would have brought opportunity for that young generation they found in the group to become real stars like them back in the days but he faced wazekwa and his family who were strongly against all those ideas and what hurt him is that wazekwa never called him to say hey eric(his real name) come here i am hearing you guys are moaning what is the problem but instead just went down the ruthless way in firing most of the chefs,even eclipse was in danger if wazekwa did not happen to be at home with his friend kibens when the storm started and he advised that it would be suicidal to get rid of all the chefs in one shot especially eclipse who has been with him through thick and thin
he said he is not out there to start beef with wazekwa again but since they were fired they will just do their job because he has 5 kids to feed who are all already in ages where they are quite demanding so he cant stay like that so he followed his big brother from the same area ceden to collaborate with him, not that they are on a rebel group to start frontal beef but in order to continue their career
Do you think Wazekwa is in the wrong? I feel like they need a one on one conversation to clear any misunderstandings between the men. However, I am generally against old members returning to their groups because they are advanced in life (children, extended families, ect) and are high maintenance. There's always a high chance of problems because the money is never enough
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yes he was back but got fired because gabbana who just returned snitched on him and some others who were complaining with the fact that they were not getting their money anymore and things like that in the whatsapp group of the band in which wazekwa is not present
the whole band was upset because the brothers are blocking their money and being harsh towards them(every 5 year or so wazekwa's brothers return heavily in the group's administration and do what they want which their brother trusts since blood is thicker than water like they say) it took an intervention from kibens to avoid him literally sacking the whole band because even eclipse was upset because he did his clips of his songs but an order had been given by the admins to tvs not to promote it
Now that I think about it, what would have happened if he sacked the whole band? Just him without any musicians? Even the instrumentalists?
He would’ve just hired new musicians, it’s very easy.
Nah I raly think he wanted to go the Innoss Route where there are just performers for videos but he tours alone, and if he'd really done that his career would have been over, even thinking about firing Ecliplse, Indietro Nikkei or the famous dancer with the big behind it is crazy, I mean it is crazy to think that Wazekwa really believes he can carry his group alone when in his songs the guys who always shine are other people
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in short he says that he came back to cultura because wazekwa said on tv that he was open to his return,but now he feels like he said it just to look good and not from the heart,because when he came back they sat and he promised a lot of changes for example bringing back monthy salary via bank deposit,cars for all the chiefs(eclipse him ceden joss) so that they can promote the group and fight against that system which is born since the fally ferre reign of leaders literally being proper solo artists with all the focus only on them,and that way it would have brought opportunity for that young generation they found in the group to become real stars like them back in the days but he faced wazekwa and his family who were strongly against all those ideas and what hurt him is that wazekwa never called him to say hey eric(his real name) come here i am hearing you guys are moaning what is the problem but instead just went down the ruthless way in firing most of the chefs,even eclipse was in danger if wazekwa did not happen to be at home with his friend kibens when the storm started and he advised that it would be suicidal to get rid of all the chefs in one shot especially eclipse who has been with him through thick and thin
he said he is not out there to start beef with wazekwa again but since they were fired they will just do their job because he has 5 kids to feed who are all already in ages where they are quite demanding so he cant stay like that so he followed his big brother from the same area ceden to collaborate with him, not that they are on a rebel group to start frontal beef but in order to continue their career
Do you think Wazekwa is in the wrong? I feel like they need a one on one conversation to clear any misunderstandings between the men. However, I am generally against old members returning to their groups because they are advanced in life (children, extended families, ect) and are high maintenance. There's always a high chance of problems because the money is never enough
Mmmm to be honest he is, if you want to do music by your own that's OK, find a ebatmaker or make the beat yourself buy a computer and then put the PC on when you perform so you can sing on the beat, but for Wazekwa HE wanted to have a Band, HE decided to promise them a monthly salary, HE promise them that they would be well taken care of, but he failed to keep his promises and tbh he is lucky that the group still have all those members. I mean he indirectly said that he is a millionaire, and he doesn't have money to even give 200 or 300 a dollar a month to his band? Gessac said that he was the only one with a car in that group, can you believe it? Eclipse without a car Cascadeur without a car, Indietro Without a car, Mboyo Londo without a car, it does give a bad image of the group and makes people clown Wazekwa cause he seems like he is a broke dude, I mean even But Na Fillet pay his musician with regularity what does Wazekwa misses to do that
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they had one on one conversation several times but then after his noisy brothers would step in,there is for example a 13 k or something like that wazekwa unlocked when pressure started rising so that they buy 4 cars for the 4 chiefs,eclipse ceden indice nikkei and joss and then they say naaaaaahh do you think that werra or jb buy car to people they are grown men they have to find money themselves
which is why ceden and joss got absolutely furious when wazekwa said on tv that they had no songs when asked why its only him who releases since he has adopted system of singles and not anymore of group albums,they got angry because releasing songs would have got them some money even though it would not be as high as in other big name groups,since cultura has the reputation of rumbas very rarely succeeding(they'd struggle to hit the 10k which is normally the minimum standard)
since joss and ceden insisted to release songs the brothers decided to do like in maison mere og quartier latin bcbg which was not happening before in cultura,by taking some money from the singer or guitarist before allowing him to release a song
so ceden gave 1000 dollars to add 2 songs but nothing happened and they were refusing to give him back the money so he decided to take it back from wazekwa himself by getting 300 from him to buy a phone since he was part of those who participates in filming their spots and concerts then 700 to for rent warranty
wazekwa even threw a shot at him in the recent generique for that "they are talking bad about me on the phone they bought with my money" refering to the audios of the group and musicians and new spokesmen are attacking him about it
i spoke with vieux early today i think he regrets what is happening but he is trying to save face because if he acts too soft in public he might lose authority on the remaining band,even his brothers do not know that behind the scenes he tried to bribe the guys with money indirectly via people to return and apologize to participate to the martyrs but it was too late because the guys already felt humiliated
i just hope that once the guys are back to europe he'll restart doing at least a bare minimum of what he was doing before their return but i have a feeling it might continue,since he told gesac joss and ceden that current congolese music is all about leaders and constantly gave the example of fally saying that when people come to watch fally they could not care less who is around of him from the singers to the instrumentists so it shows that everybody is replaceable except the leader
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they had one on one conversation several times but then after his noisy brothers would step in,there is for example a 13 k or something like that wazekwa unlocked when pressure started rising so that they buy 4 cars for the 4 chiefs,eclipse ceden indice nikkei and joss and then they say naaaaaahh do you think that werra or jb buy car to people they are grown men they have to find money themselves
which is why ceden and joss got absolutely furious when wazekwa said on tv that they had no songs when asked why its only him who releases since he has adopted system of singles and not anymore of group albums,they got angry because releasing songs would have got them some money even though it would not be as high as in other big name groups,since cultura has the reputation of rumbas very rarely succeeding(they'd struggle to hit the 10k which is normally the minimum standard)
since joss and ceden insisted to release songs the brothers decided to do like in maison mere og quartier latin bcbg which was not happening before in cultura,by taking some money from the singer or guitarist before allowing him to release a song
so ceden gave 1000 dollars to add 2 songs but nothing happened and they were refusing to give him back the money so he decided to take it back from wazekwa himself by getting 300 from him to buy a phone since he was part of those who participates in filming their spots and concerts then 700 to for rent warranty
wazekwa even threw a shot at him in the recent generique for that "they are talking bad about me on the phone they bought with my money" refering to the audios of the group and musicians and new spokesmen are attacking him about it
i spoke with vieux early today i think he regrets what is happening but he is trying to save face because if he acts too soft in public he might lose authority on the remaining band,even his brothers do not know that behind the scenes he tried to bribe the guys with money indirectly via people to return and apologize to participate to the martyrs but it was too late because the guys already felt humiliated
i just hope that once the guys are back to europe he'll restart doing at least a bare minimum of what he was doing before their return but i have a feeling it might continue,since he told gesac joss and ceden that current congolese music is all about leaders and constantly gave the example of fally saying that when people come to watch fally they could not care less who is around of him from the singers to the instrumentists so it shows that everybody is replaceable except the leader
This guy is playing with fire who was the leader who acted this way and lost all of his band? Was it Marilù? Or Damukuda? Or someone else? Can't remember his name