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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on June 25, 2024, 12:39
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Brigade is right to ask for acknowledgement but he needs to prepare for Werrason's spokesmen to attack him viciously. This could lead to an ugly court war which may Brigade's image especially with Werrason fans.
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How likely is it that Brigade will win? There are numerous videos of repetitions where you can see them rehearsing the cries, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're the author. As you've mentioned, a lot of cries come from street groups and the more established animators simply interpret the vocals for albums. However, I do feel like they should do a 50/50 split because maybe the leaders direct the general composition of the generique but the animation themselves are curated or "authored" on albums by atalakus.
It's interesting that these legal battles are occuring now when music sales are down. It would have been a big help to artists back in the 1990s and 2000s
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If Brigade wins this case we’ll see a number of atalakus do the same thing. Because a lot have been complaining about the same thing, CNN went on Ado Yuhe and said they should be getting most royalties for generiques and Celeo supported him with that.
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If Brigade wins this case we’ll see a number of atalakus do the same thing. Because a lot have been complaining about the same thing, CNN went on Ado Yuhe and said they should be getting most royalties for generiques and Celeo supported him with that.
I hope they get their share of the royalties because they blessed the group with great work. Those generiques endure the test of time just as strong as the rhumbas
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He cannot win the case, he is acting out of total ignorance. Here is how it works: If Brigade produces a song under his name while under Werrason, then legally that is his song as it was produced and under his name. Brigade was employed by Werrason, while working for Werrason, he sang a part called Sima Ekoli in Werrason's generique called Techno Malewa. The song was produced by Werrason. At that point Brigade had zero rights to the part he sang on that song. There is no sane Judge who will rule in favour of Brigade because it will mean gutarists will also claim ownership and stop their former bosses from playing any song where they played guitar. Bill Gates isn't a scientist, he has employed scientists but he is the owner of the products they produce.
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i rewatched the interview and he said that he did not file a complaint as if to hurt or disrespect werra,but its the copyright company which forced his hand because the process is like that to reclaim your rights,some like suzuki ferre fally to name a few had to go through that to claim their quartier latin and wenge songs for example(which is part of the hard feelings which happened between them at some points)
and by the way guitarists and so on can fully claim composer and co rights,its just that our leaders are not honest enough
they know that if they make lets say 300K From a huge hit,the guitarist or drummer who composed the heart of the melody before the collective work can make 100k for example or even 50k as a composer,and he will no longer accept their funny treatments because he is now able to buy cars on his own,travel on his own so they go to the copyright companies claiming everything already
the fact in a purely legal field which will go against most our leaders is that the contribution of their artists is not paid in advance,maximum 2 of them can provide without making it up receipts of studio "salary" for their employees
its the same thing for the song writers,somebody like pida star wrote and fully pre-composed mayday for fally and carte rose for ferre arguably two of the 3/4 biggest hits of recent months but does not benefit even 0.000001 per cent of what he could,because its drc and influence wins,he comes to europe and brings his pre-records which is his way of operating to propose songs to artists it might be a completely different story
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Unfortunately, depending on the jurisdiction Brigade may not have a case. He worked for Werra and he was paid on a retainer contract. These kids get hard ons working for these artists to get on signing performance contracts without lawyers. This is what happens when you don’t discuss publishing rights from the beginning.
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i believe in french juridiction what can go for him is that they might ask to see papers of the already paid contribution,i think it was the case with fally and suzuki when theywent solo and since koffi was one of the rare to pay studio contribution sometimes they went for an amicable settlement
a lot of musicians have been in that position of having to be forced by company to file complaint to reclaim their rights and abandoned out of fear of criticism from people because it would be blown out of proportion as if they snitched on the leaders to get them on a life sentence
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Archos, I think these are two different issues. Ferre can sue for Vita Imana because it was his song in that group album but Ferre cannot sue for his vocal on operational dragon because that was Werrason's song. This is the same with Brigade, he did not produce any song with werrason, what he had were vocals on a werrason's song. If copyrights worked like that then there is no single artist under the sun who owns copyrights to any song as whoever played a role can claim ownership. Brigade himself might not even claim copyrights because the instrumentalists who played on his vocal will also claim their share. Werrason who paid for that part of the vocal will also claim his share. In the end the whole thing will have no sane legal interpretation. What Brigade can claim is his salary if he was not paid and it has to be paid according to he contract he signed.
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Archos, I think these are two different issues. Ferre can sue for Vita Imana because it was his song in that group album but Ferre cannot sue for his vocal on operational dragon because that was Werrason's song. This is the same with Brigade, he did not produce any song with werrason, what he had were vocals on a werrason's song. If copyrights worked like that then there is no single artist under the sun who owns copyrights to any song as whoever played a role can claim ownership. Brigade himself might not even claim copyrights because the instrumentalists who played on his vocal will also claim their share. Werrason who paid for that part of the vocal will also claim his share. In the end the whole thing will have no sane legal interpretation. What Brigade can claim is his salary if he was not paid and it has to be paid according to he contract he signed.
Bingo…publishing rights is the key here and instrumentalists/vocalists don’t get those unless they’re listed as songwriters or producers. French courts follow music law, so essentially Brigade doesn’t have a case.
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Archos, I think these are two different issues. Ferre can sue for Vita Imana because it was his song in that group album but Ferre cannot sue for his vocal on operational dragon because that was Werrason's song. This is the same with Brigade, he did not produce any song with werrason, what he had were vocals on a werrason's song. If copyrights worked like that then there is no single artist under the sun who owns copyrights to any song as whoever played a role can claim ownership. Brigade himself might not even claim copyrights because the instrumentalists who played on his vocal will also claim their share. Werrason who paid for that part of the vocal will also claim his share. In the end the whole thing will have no sane legal interpretation. What Brigade can claim is his salary if he was not paid and it has to be paid according to he contract he signed.
Bingo…publishing rights is the key here and instrumentalists/vocalists don’t get those unless they’re listed as songwriters or producers. French courts follow music law, so essentially Brigade doesn’t have a case.
Furthermore, who ever is advising him on this is giving him very bad advice and it will be detrimental to his career, which he barely has, if he loses.
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Yeah i get you guys now,i believe its the copyright company which automatically advises it like that,celeo aswell faced that problem years before when he came to france when going to apply there and having to present his work,but then refused the process of filing against werra
now the major issue is that those guys mostly get nothing for their participation,their participation depends on the good willing of the leader in the first place,which leads to yet another problem of people doing other's work at times like how kirikou or late nono chaka were facing
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Lets talk of Fally first album which was Fally's album under QLI band members. If instrumentals, vocalists etc want to claim a thing who do they go to? Fally or Koffi? The answer is Fally because the album is under his name even though QLI manned other sections.
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Brigade has a claim. f the cri belongs to him, he can claim that he's one of the authors of the song.
Look at US's artists songs today: you have dozen of names...
Brigade just have to prove that the cri belongs to him and since he never signed a contract with Werra, he's good.
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Archos, I think these are two different issues. Ferre can sue for Vita Imana because it was his song in that group album but Ferre cannot sue for his vocal on operational dragon because that was Werrason's song. This is the same with Brigade, he did not produce any song with werrason, what he had were vocals on a werrason's song. If copyrights worked like that then there is no single artist under the sun who owns copyrights to any song as whoever played a role can claim ownership. Brigade himself might not even claim copyrights because the instrumentalists who played on his vocal will also claim their share. Werrason who paid for that part of the vocal will also claim his share. In the end the whole thing will have no sane legal interpretation. What Brigade can claim is his salary if he was not paid and it has to be paid according to he contract he signed.
Bingo…publishing rights is the key here and instrumentalists/vocalists don’t get those unless they’re listed as songwriters or producers. French courts follow music law, so essentially Brigade doesn’t have a case.
Furthermore, who ever is advising him on this is giving him very bad advice and it will be detrimental to his career, which he barely has, if he loses.
How? how it will be dtrimental to his career?
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Despite Brigade being in the right and me being a great fan of him he doesn't have much say in the dispute.
First the recordings recorded in the Studio are of the owner of the studio and then of the artist.
The recording becomes of the Artist who pubblishes the song when the record is published as a cd or as a digital song or of the label who funded the studio and the artist.
With that said Brigade never signed a contract with Quartier Latin and with Wenge Musica neither with Koffi and Werra so legally he doesn't have any claim on any recording he made with them because except for Code Pin where Brigade is credited as a songwriter there is no other song that Brigade can legally claim as his own given how he was part of the group and he didn't sign no contract Brigade asking royalties is like vocalists who gets contacted for a project and never sign a contract but later come to claim money, with Brigade is even worse because usually vocalists, songwriters, writers, sign a deal with the Singer or the label to get a percentage and Brigade never did this so even tho he want to calim royalty in a court of law he won't be credited with anything except for a legal serious case for his song Code Pin on Koffi's album with that said most of his cries are bought or taken by those little kids who work with Atalakus or Songwriters who give guys like Brigade and co cries so technically if we want to be clear those guys should be even more mad that they don't get any money of the success of the cries Brigade made but them as well don't have signed any contract so they don't have any chance to legally calim anything both from Werra or Brigade.
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Despite Brigade being in the right and me being a great fan of him he doesn't have much say in the dispute.
First the recordings recorded in the Studio are of the owner of the studio and then of the artist.
The recording becomes of the Artist who pubblishes the song when the record is published as a cd or as a digital song or of the label who funded the studio and the artist.
With that said Brigade never signed a contract with Quartier Latin and with Wenge Musica neither with Koffi and Werra so legally he doesn't have any claim on any recording he made with them because except for Code Pin where Brigade is credited as a songwriter there is no other song that Brigade can legally claim as his own given how he was part of the group and he didn't sign no contract Brigade asking royalties is like vocalists who gets contacted for a project and never sign a contract but later come to claim money, with Brigade is even worse because usually vocalists, songwriters, writers, sign a deal with the Singer or the label to get a percentage and Brigade never did this so even tho he want to calim royalty in a court of law he won't be credited with anything except for a legal serious case for his song Code Pin on Koffi's album with that said most of his cries are bought or taken by those little kids who work with Atalakus or Songwriters who give guys like Brigade and co cries so technically if we want to be clear those guys should be even more mad that they don't get any money of the success of the cries Brigade made but them as well don't have signed any contract so they don't have any chance to legally calim anything both from Werra or Brigade.
If he can prove that the cris was his creation's and not Werra's, it does not matter whether he's credited or not. Credits are not the Bible.
His lawyers will claim that he was unlawfully taken off the credits.
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Despite Brigade being in the right and me being a great fan of him he doesn't have much say in the dispute.
First the recordings recorded in the Studio are of the owner of the studio and then of the artist.
The recording becomes of the Artist who pubblishes the song when the record is published as a cd or as a digital song or of the label who funded the studio and the artist.
With that said Brigade never signed a contract with Quartier Latin and with Wenge Musica neither with Koffi and Werra so legally he doesn't have any claim on any recording he made with them because except for Code Pin where Brigade is credited as a songwriter there is no other song that Brigade can legally claim as his own given how he was part of the group and he didn't sign no contract Brigade asking royalties is like vocalists who gets contacted for a project and never sign a contract but later come to claim money, with Brigade is even worse because usually vocalists, songwriters, writers, sign a deal with the Singer or the label to get a percentage and Brigade never did this so even tho he want to calim royalty in a court of law he won't be credited with anything except for a legal serious case for his song Code Pin on Koffi's album with that said most of his cries are bought or taken by those little kids who work with Atalakus or Songwriters who give guys like Brigade and co cries so technically if we want to be clear those guys should be even more mad that they don't get any money of the success of the cries Brigade made but them as well don't have signed any contract so they don't have any chance to legally calim anything both from Werra or Brigade.
If he can prove that the cris was his creation's and not Werra's, it does not matter whether he's credited or not. Credits are not the Bible.
His lawyers will claim that he was unlawfully taken off the credits.
He didn't sign any contracts tho, if I tell you the numbers of the lotto and the day the lotto get announcede you play those nubmers and I haven't I have no rights to claim that win because you put the numbers on your own terms, even if I buy the lotto ticket and give it to you I won't habe any claims and as I have said most of Brigade's crie if not all are "stolen" meaning taking from street kids or bought by guys who sell cries, if Werra says 1 we haven't signed any contract but you benefited from tour and donors gifting you money despite me not being forced two
and 2 you claim those cries are yours but I know you purchased or straight taken them away from other people and you yourself decided to record under my group what Brigade will say?
For example there is a song that Brigade and Deplick made which was partially bought by the same songwriter who tricked them and sold to both of them the same song which was making like this "Nadia safula nga na koboya te" and was also having the lines of "dikidiki osalaki nga, tilelo mokusa ezo sila te,mwana mama atala abomi, domestic alambelaka ye/yo, c'est vrai nazalokola mbisi mayi ya moto nazokoka te eh mama? mama safula nga nakoboye te"
2:10 Deplick's song
https://youtu.be/iN2WgHSJRgM?si=ZEbxC_-cbdtHE_8S
1:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NubaBIrSeyM&list=RDNubaBIrSeyM&start_radio=1
Now Deplick pubblished this song on 24th of January of 2017
and Brigade pubblished it on 25th of March 2017
now what if Deplick claims Brigade stole his song or ask him royaltees cause he pubblished the song first? Deplick has more credibility for royaltees in this case then Brigade in his because as you can see they re 99% the same lyrics, but in the case of Brigade you partecipated on an album where you haven't signed a contract take or bought other people's lyrics but you now want to claim royaltees? It doesn't work like that
Don't get me wrong I am all for artist getting their rights and this was a very bad but smart move from Werra to never give credit except for Lobeso,Bercy, Bill and Celeo a song credited to their name but at the same time when you were a big artist like Brigade coming from QL you had to know your right a little bit and not be in the position to be scammed again, can you beleive that Prince asked for a contract by Werra? Prince so if Prince done it why Brigade couldn't do the same when he was way bigger and is still bigger then Prince?
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Despite Brigade being in the right and me being a great fan of him he doesn't have much say in the dispute.
First the recordings recorded in the Studio are of the owner of the studio and then of the artist.
The recording becomes of the Artist who pubblishes the song when the record is published as a cd or as a digital song or of the label who funded the studio and the artist.
With that said Brigade never signed a contract with Quartier Latin and with Wenge Musica neither with Koffi and Werra so legally he doesn't have any claim on any recording he made with them because except for Code Pin where Brigade is credited as a songwriter there is no other song that Brigade can legally claim as his own given how he was part of the group and he didn't sign no contract Brigade asking royalties is like vocalists who gets contacted for a project and never sign a contract but later come to claim money, with Brigade is even worse because usually vocalists, songwriters, writers, sign a deal with the Singer or the label to get a percentage and Brigade never did this so even tho he want to calim royalty in a court of law he won't be credited with anything except for a legal serious case for his song Code Pin on Koffi's album with that said most of his cries are bought or taken by those little kids who work with Atalakus or Songwriters who give guys like Brigade and co cries so technically if we want to be clear those guys should be even more mad that they don't get any money of the success of the cries Brigade made but them as well don't have signed any contract so they don't have any chance to legally calim anything both from Werra or Brigade.
If he can prove that the cris was his creation's and not Werra's, it does not matter whether he's credited or not. Credits are not the Bible.
His lawyers will claim that he was unlawfully taken off the credits.
He didn't sign any contracts tho, if I tell you the numbers of the lotto and the day the lotto get announcede you play those nubmers and I haven't I have no rights to claim that win because you put the numbers on your own terms, even if I buy the lotto ticket and give it to you I won't habe any claims and as I have said most of Brigade's crie if not all are "stolen" meaning taking from street kids or bought by guys who sell cries, if Werra says 1 we haven't signed any contract but you benefited from tour and donors gifting you money despite me not being forced two
and 2 you claim those cries are yours but I know you purchased or straight taken them away from other people and you yourself decided to record under my group what Brigade will say?
For example there is a song that Brigade and Deplick made which was partially bought by the same songwriter who tricked them and sold to both of them the same song which was making like this "Nadia safula nga na koboya te" and was also having the lines of "dikidiki osalaki nga, tilelo mokusa ezo sila te,mwana mama atala abomi, domestic alambelaka ye/yo, c'est vrai nazalokola mbisi mayi ya moto nazokoka te eh mama? mama safula nga nakoboye te"
2:10 Deplick's song
https://youtu.be/iN2WgHSJRgM?si=ZEbxC_-cbdtHE_8S
1:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NubaBIrSeyM&list=RDNubaBIrSeyM&start_radio=1
Now Deplick pubblished this song on 24th of January of 2017
and Brigade pubblished it on 25th of March 2017
now what if Deplick claims Brigade stole his song or ask him royaltees cause he pubblished the song first? Deplick has more credibility for royaltees in this case then Brigade in his because as you can see they re 99% the same lyrics, but in the case of Brigade you partecipated on an album where you haven't signed a contract take or bought other people's lyrics but you now want to claim royaltees? It doesn't work like that
Don't get me wrong I am all for artist getting their rights and this was a very bad but smart move from Werra to never give credit except for Lobeso,Bercy, Bill and Celeo a song credited to their name but at the same time when you were a big artist like Brigade coming from QL you had to know your right a little bit and not be in the position to be scammed again, can you beleive that Prince asked for a contract by Werra? Prince so if Prince done it why Brigade couldn't do the same when he was way bigger and is still bigger then Prince?
I understand what you are saying but the premises remain the same: IF Brigade can prove those cris belongs to him. He has case.
Since he never signed a contract with Werra, Werra cannot claim that Brigade gave away his rights.
Brgade's lawyer will claim that the cri belongs to Brigade (they will need proof) and that Werra used the asymetry of power to rob Brigade of hs rights by not giving him credits.
And if you take into account that french judges always look at african work relationshps in a funny way, they might say that Werra abused his power to rob Brigade.
I'm not saying Brigade gonna win but he has a path to victory.
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Congolese musicians in bands need to know their rights plain and simple. The leaders have to stop being weird and stingy and actually pay their employees and song writers for what they contribute.