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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: shamala on February 24, 2014, 17:35
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from this forum a lot of people complain that Seguin is not a good drum mist.I don't know a lot about drums but I don't see any difference between him and others..I have even listen to Blaise Sabex play nothing...is it that others beat the drums harder or what ? Kakol plays well to solo dancing ie following the dancers moves...is that it ?
Educate me.
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from this forum a lot of people complain that Seguin is not a good drum mist.I don't know a lot about drums but I don't see any difference between him and others..I have even listen to Blaise Sabex play nothing...is it that others beat the drums harder or what ? Kakol plays well to solo dancing ie following the dancers moves...is that it ?
Educate me.
yeah i think you summed it up, those who think seguin is not a good drummer think so because he does not always/often play with the agressive style of the likes of kakol,cambodge,aaron machin of blaise bula's group and co
so for some it's also associated to the way he is physically,but like i have always said his problem in my point of view is that he nears his best only when its important concerts,when you know he is playing at stade des martyrs or grand hotel or fikin por example,its almost certain that he will be motivated and give his best,and its even better when playing in europe
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Shamala, if you ask people like archos on this matter, you are 100% going to be missled. No way have I seen segiun play better since zennith 99. He is not siutable for wenge style of play. Titina is bebeto , period. The guy has to go. If you are good you play the same whether you are playing for a presidential function or a funeral. Segiun mignon is not audible and he has a margin of error when trying to lead a sebene. Look at titina, kakol, that guy that plays for fally, meri Jo, champion esthetic etc, those are good. Bebeto, with more airplay, is far better than fat boy mignon and I wonder whether jb needs medicine to clear his ear drum.
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Shamala, if you ask people like archos on this matter, you are 100% going to be missled. No way have I seen segiun play better since zennith 99. He is not siutable for wenge style of play. Titina is bebeto , period. The guy has to go.
If he is not suitable to wenge style of play,how come wenge recruited him? and how come titina accepted him as his understudy?
I keep saying that i do not blindly defend seguin,i would not do it with any congolese musician,i respect your point of view but i think you are too radical,i find that strange to say that a guy who was became the second drummer of wenge 4X4 does not suit wenge,so werra makaba and co all made the same mistake?talking about bebeto if he was that special do you think he'd accept understudy role for the 12th year now whereas there are plenty of groups where he could have been number 1,or would not he have been stolen by other leaders?
unlike you i am able to say good and bad points about seguin whereas for you its radical he is bad he has no talent he has to go and i believe if he was that bad fans would be calling for his head long ago,like it would happen in any group of bcbg's standard(maison mere,latino and co),there is nothing easier for congolese music fans to boo a musician they do not consider good enough and force him out
on a funny note,dont take it personal,you are acting a bit like combattants no is no and no matter what looooool
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Shamala, if you ask people like archos on this matter, you are 100% going to be missled. No way have I seen segiun play better since zennith 99. He is not siutable for wenge style of play. Titina is bebeto , period.
I believe you're carrying a baggage. Music cannot seem to hurt you this much! you should not be hurt so much for something that you don't have control over.JB owns BCBG and he still appreciate Seguin. Look at that video of JB visiting Kester's mother and you see who is next to JB not even Kibens not JDL but Seguin himself. So that is clear indication that the man is cherished there, just be tolerant or else you gona have stress for no reason.
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...and if you ask Erick Menthe, the two are a couple...
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...and if you ask Erick Menthe, the two are a couple...
lol tika polemique :D :D :D :D :D
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...and if you ask Erick Menthe, the two are a couple...
Hahaha Kaisari o sekisa nga mabe ;D ;D
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Shamala, if you ask people like archos on this matter, you are 100% going to be missled. No way have I seen segiun play better since zennith 99. He is not siutable for wenge style of play. Titina is bebeto , period. The guy has to go.
If he is not suitable to wenge style of play,how come wenge recruited him? and how come titina accepted him as his understudy?
I keep saying that i do not blindly defend seguin,i would not do it with any congolese musician,i respect your point of view but i think you are too radical,i find that strange to say that a guy who was became the second drummer of wenge 4X4 does not suit wenge,so werra makaba and co all made the same mistake?talking about bebeto if he was that special do you think he'd accept understudy role for the 12th year now whereas there are plenty of groups where he could have been number 1,or would not he have been stolen by other leaders?
unlike you i am able to say good and bad points about seguin whereas for you its radical he is bad he has no talent he has to go and i believe if he was that bad fans would be calling for his head long ago,like it would happen in any group of bcbg's standard(maison mere,latino and co),there is nothing easier for congolese music fans to boo a musician they do not consider good enough and force him out
on a funny note,dont take it personal,you are acting a bit like combattants no is no and no matter what looooool
Match Esili, Archos o gagne :D :D
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...and if you ask Erick Menthe, the two are a couple...
lol tika polemique :D :D :D :D :D
...lets just say Seguin knows alot of BCBG dirt/secrets :D
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...and if you ask Erick Menthe, the two are a couple...
Hahaha Kaisari o sekisa nga mabe ;D ;D
...where there's smoke there's fire lol...
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Seguin is more of a finesse drummer, Emo seems to like power drummers but like Archos says,its up to the band leader.
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Kaisari, yes I like power in doing the drum and I like one who uses all pieces like titina......that guy will remain my best followed by kakol and probably awilos style. Segiun is soft and he is just cold, no life in him. I don't like him. JB has killed bcbg because of friendship....
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. I don't like him.
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this sums up everything, ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Very interesting debate. I have been busy the last few days but I want to create a diagram to show the structure of the Wenge BCBG I would like to see but in brief, Archos has explained very well but on the other hand, EMO has one point, Seguin's style of playing is not standard like the likes of Kakol and others, he changes quite often and mostly plays the snare drum with a lot of weakness, I don't like his weak style,i prefer the power snare but still utilizing the other bits of the drum kit just like he did on Quel est ton problem and on Celeo's first generiques.
I had an interesting talk with my musician friend Renato Mundele and my friend Bencuri our co-admin here, Renato seems to share the same thought as EMO, he hates Seguin's weakness and also think Sunda Bass's style of playing is boring too.
To be honest, BCBG seems to have a weak team but it's amazing what they produce, they are like Manchester United football club, too many boring players but yet having a couple of interesting individuals showing massive talent but under utilised by the manager.
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To be honest, BCBG seems to have a weak team but it's amazing what they produce, they are like Manchester United football club, too many boring players but yet having a couple of interesting individuals showing massive talent but under utilised by the manager.
Cristiano Ronaldo,David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Berbatov, Nani just to name a few are/were boring?
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Archos I don't hate him personally ooops, but also take leaf from what kaisari and sly have written.
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guys could you post a few videos which can explain these different styles.
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...Some times the best drumming can be heard in rehearsal; here are the different styles from Titina and Kakol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFseTIuJyjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4OFAvVoNQ0
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guys could you post a few videos which can explain these different styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnLMIhlQ680
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwlEx8o9uk
If you want to get titina, this is him playing here.....
If you want to watch him play like no other, :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAMGpivrCZ8
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than Emo
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Titina the greatest drummer in Congolese music!!!
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Titina the greatest drummer in Congolese music!!!
I second!!
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Cristiano Ronaldo,David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Berbatov, Nani just to name a few are/were boring?
We are still talking about music so don't deviate, it was just a comparison I made to the current Manchester United team which failing to impress yet they have good players but they are failing to shine, am a Manchester United fan.
Seguin Mignon,Rio, JDL and Kibens are like Ryan Giggs, Rio Ferdinand,Vidic, and Michael Carrick, they are good but can do better and are sometimes a liability to the team due to them causing unnecessary errors, fouls and earning cards and getting injuries which affect overall team performance.
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SLY and jdog you gave me an idea lol why not creating a sport/football section on the forum,i am sure there are many fans here,could be fun to discuss about champions league and so on
back on titina,he is my favourite drummer,very complete,and even the inseparable friends seguin and kakol have massive admiration for him
i once saw all three in a pub in paris,seguin and kakol were like kids in front of him,listening almost hypnotically to every of his advice and all he talked about
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i once saw all three in a pub in paris,seguin and kakol were like kids in front of him,listening almost hypnotically to every of his advice and all he talked about
how do you guys rate Seguin performance during zenith when JB took two drummers Titina and Seguin at once on stage...my sis a WMM fanatic loves that performamce and she says it has not been topped by anyone .
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i once saw all three in a pub in paris,seguin and kakol were like kids in front of him,listening almost hypnotically to every of his advice and all he talked about
how do you guys rate Seguin performance during zenith when JB took two drummers Titina and Seguin at once on stage...my sis a WMM fanatic loves that performamce and she says it has not been topped by anyone .
Shamala, titina was actually lecturing segiun. Now that was bercy not zennith.
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SLY and jdog you gave me an idea lol why not creating a sport/football section on the forum,i am sure there are many fans here,could be fun to discuss about champions league and so on
back on titina,he is my favourite drummer,very complete,and even the inseparable friends seguin and kakol have massive admiration for him
i once saw all three in a pub in paris,seguin and kakol were like kids in front of him,listening almost hypnotically to every of his advice and all he talked about
Archos we do have a section like that it's the general section of the forum in the middle of World Music and support and I wouldn't be surprised to see Seguin, kakol all drummers in general admire at the great Titinia Alcapone.
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SLY and jdog you gave me an idea lol why not creating a sport/football section on the forum,i am sure there are many fans here,could be fun to discuss about champions league and so on
Good idea, will create a section exclusively for sport,thanx.
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The various styles used by the top drummers have been clearly stated above so now it's time to say who is best, it's Titina from clan Wenge and Ramatoulaye from Clan Extra Musica,these two are proper machines on the drums!!!!!!!!!
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WOOOO, i have to respect your view but for sure Titina is the best drummer from the Wenge clan but not all time in my opinion my list on top drummers and Why?
1) Djudjuchet "Le Rhythme" Mc Gyver: 1970s - present: his discography credits just explains and he plays all sorts of styles looking at the groups he has played in Zaiko Wawa, Victoria Eleison, Choc Stars, short time with El-Paris, participated with Quartier Latin Academia: Sanction, Solola Bien, Kibuisa of Maison mere and Werrason, droit chemin and many more. Interestingly he is one of Titina's inspirations as a drummer.
Note listen to: Ata Mpiaka (Victoria Eleison), Fidelite Sans-unique (Wenge El-Paris), Faux Patron (Quartier Latin Academia), Cresois (Wenge Musica Maison Mere)
The rest with massive respect: Otis Koyongonda (R.I.P), Seskain Molenga, Belobi Meridjo, Titina Al Capone Grand Pretre, Komba Bellow,
Papy Kakol, Richacha, Champion Djikapela, Kaps Kapangala and Ile de Cambodge.
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WOOOO, i have to respect your view but for sure Titina is the best drummer from the Wenge clan but not all time in my opinion my list on top drummers and Why?
1) Djudjuchet "Le Rhythme" Mc Gyver: 1970s - present: his discography credits just explains and he plays all sorts of styles looking at the groups he has played in Zaiko Wawa, Victoria Eleison, Choc Stars, short time with El-Paris, participated with Quartier Latin Academia: Sanction, Solola Bien, Kibuisa of Maison mere and Werrason, droit chemin and many more. Interestingly he is one of Titina's inspirations as a drummer.
Note listen to: Ata Mpiaka (Victoria Eleison), Fidelite Sans-unique (Wenge El-Paris), Faux Patron (Quartier Latin Academia), Cresois (Wenge Musica Maison Mere)
The rest with massive respect: Otis Koyongonda (R.I.P), Seskain Molenga, Belobi Meridjo, Titina Al Capone Grand Pretre, Komba Bellow,
Papy Kakol, Richacha, Champion Djikapela, Kaps Kapangala and Ile de Cambodge.
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You left out awilo
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Not forgetting: Awilo Longomba, Patcho Star, Seguin Mignon, Richa Cogna Cogna, Tshe Tshe De Balle, Maradona, Guillain Madjugu and many other who have not come in mind even young Kompressor was a good drummer
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Titina is bebeto , period.Bebeto, with more airplay, is far better than fat boy mignon
thank you for your views on the above thread..Emo I plan to post a video where Bebeto interacts well with Cellulaire (who you don't like)and seek your counsel if that is what you like for BBCBG...
I also intend to post a video of the third BCBG drummist whom I used to refer as be be to as bebeto (someone clear the air as for me the second drummist is Blaise Sabe and the third is bebeto) who I think is even more aggressive the the two who rank above him...
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...My boy prefers the double snare set-up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnr0kgw5GQ
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thank you for your views on the above thread..Emo I plan to post a video where Bebeto interacts well with Cellulaire (who you don't like)and seek your counsel if that is what you like for BBCBG...
I also intend to post a video of the third BCBG drummist whom I used to refer as be be to as bebeto (someone clear the air as for me the second drummist is Blaise Sabe and the third is bebeto) who I think is even more aggressive the the two who rank above him...
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Emo here is my promise
Blaise Sabe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24_WqZbHYI
here is Bebeto my fav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuhxgDtEDvE
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thank you for your views on the above thread..Emo I plan to post a video where Bebeto interacts well with Cellulaire (who you don't like)and seek your counsel if that is what you like for BBCBG...
I also intend to post a video of the third BCBG drummist whom I used to refer as be be to as bebeto (someone clear the air as for me the second drummist is Blaise Sabe and the third is bebeto) who I think is even more aggressive the the two who rank above him...
Emo here is my promise
Blaise Sabe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k24_WqZbHYI
here is Bebeto my fav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuhxgDtEDvE
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Those were really nice and Cellulaire and those two other drummers really impressed me.
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The last two clips confirms my concerns. Those 2 drummers are too good and better than lazy segiun.
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These two last videos also show you just how lazy Cellulaire and the other atalukus have been, you see how Genta Lissimo just leaves them to do their thing all day, he just comes on stage when JB Mpiana is about to come on, that's when he takes over and they become chorus atalukus.