i did not say werra became succesful because of sympathy NO WAY i said  and werra himself has no shame in confirming it that he was very down after the split so the  artists mentioned supported him in his early months/years and his natural determination and hunger did the rest
he deserves the fantastic career he has had he has bounced back exceptionally well from that period
 i believe you misunderstood me(since i was the one talking about sympathy)
i think every of us knows very well the flaws and positives of jb and werra's career
the days of always comparing them too seriously are gone

indeed part of that but also how werra remained with only ferre masela mabanga japonais ali mbonda it attracted a lot of sympathy so even with the tribal division bandundu vs kasai werra still got  support of kasai artists bar papa wemba

  lol on another note  seguin played well funny how it was almost not felt that there was a change of drummer there and in zenith and jb made me laugh with that spin move  while doing his solo dance,shows how much those guys were throwing it all  to win fans over

Archos, You clearly said Werrason attracted a lot of sympathy because he was left with Masela, Ali, Ferre etc. Stop belittling Werrason's success the man stood tall against all odds...I believe he has done more musically than JB Mpiana, in all honesty JB's success is localise. I know JB is your friend but stop the bias.
 

 come on,when i talk about sympathy i am talking about 1998 and its stopped there,and werra himself and his employees said it several times that people and colleagues saw that they were only 5 6 out of 20+ musicians who remain on the maison mere side and that people thought it was over for them and that support from people and musicians which helped werra and co heal their pain of the break and bounce back which is why werra like he says himself is grateful forever to people of the popular areas of kin which were a big support for him
and if you know maison mere's history,you'll know that maison mere indeed started  from a street crowd movement  which motivated werra and co and musicians who werra thanked openly in intervention rapide
what i am talking about ended from the second intervention rapide was out,so that's 18 years left where he showed his worth in a better context i dont see where is the bias in saying that
thats actually fantastic,few people would have  bounced back the way he did
jb on the other hand started in perfect conditions then like i have never ever ever ever ever hidden a lot of things went the wrong way
i am very unlucky these days lol i just cant comment more that three lines except gossip/private life topics without being accused of bias

You guys definitely misinterpreted Archos post. As he stated he only talked about the time when he was down, which are facts. This has nothing to do with his rise or anything like that. It's just non biased information on what was going during that time. And even if he was bashing him, so what? Anyone can have an opinion. Stop assuming things and just chill out lol.

i am very unlucky these days lol i just cant comment more that three lines except gossip/private life topics without being accused of bias

I know the feeling.... Hehehe

Lol this forum is getting too sensitive these days

Haha indeed; at times it's fan club vs fan club

Thank you,SebenManiac
Seriously CM Prince and it is becoming tiring. You don't just take words out of context and start flogging it unnecessarily. This ain't nice at all. Let us try to read in context of what is being discussed or said and avoid being clouded with sentiments. The sensitivity is becoming totally uncalled for please.
And Archos please, you do not have to walk on egg shells or in the air just because some of us are disgruntled about whatever your thoughts/posts are. It is called opinion. And we are all entitled to our opinions. So,whenever  you have got any info to pass across please do without any hesitation. Thanks.

conseil patcho live... and a seguin then on absolute top of his game

Did JB perform that year 2 times at Stade des Martyrs ? Because there is a moment in the Papito Mbala-video where he's complaining about the sound and saying that he previous time rain ruined the show. 

 yeah earlier he performed there  and only could play one song because of heavy rain which was supposedly "sent" and could not blocked as that martyrs was not done with too much preparation
i was in europe at that moment i think and the story i remember is that it was raining only on that side of the road not on the la zamba side then jb took revenge by spoiling with rain two la zamba rehearsals