He kept belittling him throughout interview reminding him he was more easily accepted in the group thanks to him as genta who spotted him in brazza dancing koyimbiko with the other co-creators regis,toms and co was not influent enough at that moment so he first was him roger's barber in hope of being taken to group,calls abraham a stupid man, a man who lost his head, says the current wife of abraham who is a journalist became his wife because of him and so on....by acting like that he just confirmed the disastrously bad influence he has on jb