Author Topic: FROM THE THE BIG RISE TO THE FALL OUT oF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 TOUT TERRAIN  (Read 13729 times)

archos #15 on: January 08, 2018, 15:26

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CM PRINCE #16 on: January 08, 2018, 19:05

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CM PRINCE #17 on: January 08, 2018, 19:19

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Here is an interview with Adolphe from 98/99 confirming pretty much most of what you said archos ironically it was uploaded last week  :D :D ;D
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archos #18 on: January 08, 2018, 19:41

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if i am not mistaken it had been posted earlier,the concert of jb with ferre and tata as guests did not go well at all to....let me say like arsene wenger euhhh welll euhhh...so it lead to them posting archive of them both attacking jb  and jb's camp also started to counter
 sometimes our musicians are soooooo childish my word
by the way tata is a big comedian lol he never had any problem with jb he did not stay with bcbg partly because he wanted that number 2 spot  blaise was automatically getting

CM PRINCE #19 on: January 08, 2018, 19:46

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if i am not mistaken it had been posted earlier,the concert of jb with ferre and tata as guests did not go well at all to....let me say like arsene wenger euhhh welll euhhh...so it lead to them posting archive of them both attacking jb  and jb's camp also started to counter
 sometimes our musicians are soooooo childish my word
by the way tata is a big comedian lol he never had any problem with jb he did not stay with bcbg partly because he wanted that number 2 spot  blaise was automatically getting
Why didn't it go well What happened?

archos #20 on: January 08, 2018, 19:54

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 it pissed the absolute hell out of many maison mere fans admins and possibly nsone himself but he will never ever talk he lets the guys do dirty job
and you know how is it when maison mere is into conflict loooooooool you'll get attacks left right and center

mvulusi96 #21 on: January 08, 2018, 20:20

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I just watched Mbuta Likasu's interview with Frank Stemay and co. And he said that one of the reasons of JB's fall out with Blaise Bula was that he wanted to record his solo album Ponderation 8. But was that already planned before to the trip to Europe, that Blaise Bula would have his own solo album after Titanic ? In the same interview Mbuta said that Roga Roga told him that Didier Masela fought with Werrason in Jean Pierre Sarah's office when they wanted to sign the contracts.

CM PRINCE #22 on: January 08, 2018, 20:47

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it pissed the absolute hell out of many maison mere fans admins and possibly nsone himself but he will never ever talk he lets the guys do dirty job
and you know how is it when maison mere is into conflict loooooooool you'll get attacks left right and center
Oh right yeah that we all know I thought you meant something happened between jb Adolphe and ferre

masatomo #23 on: January 08, 2018, 23:22

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I just watched Mbuta Likasu's interview with Frank Stemay and co. And he said that one of the reasons of JB's fall out with Blaise Bula was that he wanted to record his solo album Ponderation 8. But was that already planned before to the trip to Europe, that Blaise Bula would have his own solo album after Titanic ? In the same interview Mbuta said that Roga Roga told him that Didier Masela fought with Werrason in Jean Pierre Sarah's office when they wanted to sign the contracts.

They fought in the office woow. It seems like the relationship between Werrason and Didier Masela were very tense in Maison Mere.

dany #24 on: January 09, 2018, 11:29

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@Archos

Can you write about "les annees vache maigre" 2002-2009 of JB Mpiana. How the 5 year ban came, his divorce with Amida, his trip to Kananga in 2003, the orginal Anti-Terro 2002 plan,Alain Mpela departure, the Fikin 2005 drama, etc. until

Sakabe, sakabe sulutani alela...
Ah nga na botama na Congo...
Man that album had energy and man Cellulaire was fire at the time R.I.P.


-the first big mistake jb mpiana did,happens from 1999 to the mid 2000's as he refuses being a candidate to several awards(particularly kora)
 he gives all his focus on kinshasa and the clan wenge rivalry but seriously neflects his image at international level,whereas albums liue titanic,th or even internet are well appreciated abroad
-still about his international career, he is contacted by several west african producers for a remix album of feux de l'amour with shorter songs and all those restrictions of "world music" and guaranteed good promotion
he starts recording it with a producer from benin but then his staff(damien dimonekene,bruno matadi and co) tell him to  ask crazy money from the producer and also have as a condition thathe would bring to america the whole group including every reserve singer so the producer abandons
- in 2001 after releasing internet,he is proposed by david monsoh working in a second solo album (which ends up being named chemin de fer) featuring some african starsaswell as a complete african tour and a much organized staff with spokesmen,managers,fashion designers... ,but refuses that proposition because of his staff which does not accept "losing" jb to other managers and who convince jb that he would be forced to dump his congolese career which was not the case but who made jb refuse
-one year later, he is announced in palais des congrès,one of the biggest and prestigious halls of paris,posters spread in paris streets,intensive promotion made in drc and france as he is set to become the first ever congolese artist to perform there,but once again the bad influence of his staff strikes,as two weeks before that concert they influence him to ask for 6 times the amount they agreed with producer and at the end of the day producer abandons because its too much money
-in the same year he is approached by producer jps,(as he is in serious conflict with his own producer simon) with the promise of winning kora awards and the possibility once again of recording solo albums and several advantages who could have boosted his popularity abroad but he prefers waiting until the end of his contract with simon instead of ceasing contract and signing with jps
also the fact,his rival werrason is there makes him refuse whereas jps saw in it possibilty of killing competition with other producers by having  the two biggest stars under his wings
-in 2005 while serving his europe ban he is proposed through angolan friends,contracts for southern america for festivals but he fears taking the gamble because  he des not want to play in front of extremely small crowds as he is unsrure there are enough congolese/african people there
-three years later same situation,this time in japan
i-in 2011 a big african event is planned at stade de france in paris and jb mpiana is the first congolese artist contacted but he thinks the project is not serious because the guy who contacted him was congolese and he was skeptical with congolese producers as he had many problems with some of them,but does not understand that guy is actually only a member of a whole organization
he then refuses that contract and prefers signing a contract for angola,werrason,fally ipupa and jessy matador who are contacted later accept

archos #25 on: January 09, 2018, 11:48

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 lol dany thats my jb mpiana and the art of missing golden opportunity post  right?

dany #26 on: January 09, 2018, 12:08

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Haha yes it is I thought it was relevant to the topic...sorry I didn't reference you, next time I'll pay more attention to the authors of certain articles in this forum..I truly appreciate your journals on Congolese music..#I respect journalist integrity

archos #27 on: January 09, 2018, 12:14

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 lol dont worry bro i did not take it personal i just wondered because it reminded me of my thread

masatomo #28 on: January 18, 2018, 23:49

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@Archos

Can you write about "les annees vache maigre" 2002-2009 of JB Mpiana. How the 5 year ban came, his divorce with Amida, his trip to Kananga in 2003, the orginal Anti-Terro 2002 plan,Alain Mpela departure, the Fikin 2005 drama, etc. until

Yes i had planned it already with the title "the controversial second part of career of jb mpiana" because i noticed because i noticed opinion is torn between those who do not care about his life and who just notice the big changes or know everything and use it to mock him that he has fallen and those who understand how his life affected his career big time
in that post i think i will reveal some serious events including collapses just before concerts and things like that

Are you still working on it Archos ? By the way thanks for sharing "coulisses" of congolese music.