<cite>@mvulusi96 said:</cite>
Ouais ce vraiment triste. If you listen to the manquette album of Solola Bien "Maison Mere US Live studio", you will hear Baby Ndombe shooting 20 Ans succes bakangaka moyi te vieux, Phenomene. Is that refering to the 20 year non-stop succes pact that he got from Marie-Paul. I know that in the period 1997-98 (before Force d'Intervation Rapide) Marie Paul was on his top. But is that story about that pact between him and Werrason true ? If that is true can give us more details ? It's two weeks now that Fortis Mavangi "Nkolo Budget" died was that a sacrifice of Marie Paul for Kimbombi? Because I didn't see him on video of the matanga at youtube.

yeah yeah its true,it went from kester to marie paul then from marie paul na cadre ya "mpangi plus mpangi"
kester did his 5 years, then handed to marie paul who did his 5 years aswell then werra took it and took it to another level
and the day werra got marie paul's power was at their first stade des martyrs marie paul wanted to come on stage  and when he went on stage werra saluted him and when he want back he falled(abambani na mabele na ndenge ya mystique)
 but appart that power werra went to see many sorcerers before intervention rapide to reinforce marie paul's contract and completely dominate mpiana who had kept the power of wenge and then reach another level on solola bien and finally he went deep into satanism from kibuisa mpimpa
yango wana yé na jb balukana trop,po souci ya werra ezalaki aleka mpiano mais mpiano pe alingaki akweya té
non pona fortis na ndimi té par contre na yebi que marie paul apesa noko na yé moko boyé
but bizarre that he was not at the matanga because he gave interviews about the death of fortis he was like crying

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
yeah yeah its true,it went from kester to marie paul then from marie paul na cadre ya "mpangi plus mpangi"
kester did his 5 years, then handed to marie paul who did his 5 years aswell then werra took it and took it to another level
and the day werra got marie paul's power was at their first stade des martyrs marie paul wanted to come on stage  and when he went on stage werra saluted him and when he want back he falled(abambani na mabele na ndenge ya mystique)
 but appart that power werra went to see many sorcerers before intervention rapide to reinforce marie paul's contract and completely dominate mpiana who had kept the power of wenge and then reach another level on solola bien and finally he went deep into satanism from kibuisa mpimpa
yango wana yé na jb balukana trop,po souci ya werra ezalaki aleka mpiano mais mpiano pe alingaki akweya té
non pona fortis na ndimi té par contre na yebi que marie paul apesa noko na yé moko boyé
but bizarre that he was not at the matanga because he gave interviews about the death of fortis he was like crying

Stade kutu etondaki te kiekiekie
3:25
Yango JB aloba que tika kolakisa Tshaku koloba noki te, mokolo moko ako finga yo.
Ce normal que Werra akoma ti na ba niveau. psk esalaki Werra souci emotion ndenge ba humila ye. Malgre que ye moko azalaki responsable na makambo wana pona un grand partie. Eza kaka le meme cas ya Wemba, tangu babengana ye na Yoka Lokole. Sauf que Manvuela akoka ye te, comme JB azalaki koresite contre Werra pour 4 Ans.

Mais es-que ezalaka possible yakosala succes na Kin sans kozwa nkisi ? Oubien ezalaka kaka oblige yako zwa yango ?

possible oui mais tres courte duree
par exemple dakumuda mais aussi college des nobles basalaki ba generique ya succes mais ya temp dimi
bameka kosimba kisi pona koprolonger success mais ebeta poto
adolphe pe na tonya tonya tango asalaki ba miracles sans kisi na ba debuts na yé ba ntshor bango moko baluka yé non ce type est puissant mais abangi mabe atikela lacoste yango wana lacoste azua accident comme retour ya gwa tango azongo epa de la foret
condition ezalaki que kisi wana ya tonya tonya,lacoste succes ya danger plus succes ya tata comme ca bakosala solide pona ko combattre werra donc lokola ba panzana accident,chance kutu abika pona ba protections na yé ya mayumbu sinon voiture ango epanzanaki mabé

mes frere tous success vien de dieu mais ba zoba misusu ba nkedaka ko zwa nkisi, mais ba success c'est naturel comme Adolphe abeta ba Fikin, Studio Mama Angebi sans nkisi epuis esimba yango wana Werra asalaki ko banga ko approche Adolphe na l'heure wana parce que ayebi Adolphe aza Nzambe, Mais Werra is just pure evil no wonder why Marie Paul wants to strike him down and Werra is also greedy on day his nkisi will turn on him because this guy has done too much bad things mais nkisi eza nioso ba ndeko sans loboko ya nzambe eleko moko tse eko simba voila pourquoi ba orchestre esimba omoni Academia basalaki sans nkisi mais movement esimba

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
possible oui mais tres courte duree
par exemple dakumuda mais aussi college des nobles basalaki ba generique ya succes mais ya temp dimi
bameka kosimba kisi pona koprolonger success mais ebeta poto
adolphe pe na tonya tonya tango asalaki ba miracles sans kisi na ba debuts na yé ba ntshor bango moko baluka yé non ce type est puissant mais abangi mabe atikela lacoste yango wana lacoste azua accident comme retour ya gwa tango azongo epa de la foret
condition ezalaki que kisi wana ya tonya tonya,lacoste succes ya danger plus succes ya tata comme ca bakosala solide pona ko combattre werra donc lokola ba panzana accident,chance kutu abika pona ba protections na yé ya mayumbu sinon voiture ango epanzanaki mabé

Aaah okay. yango wana succes ya Tata ehumelaki te.
Concert ya Lacoste na Stade tata Rapael esukaki ndenge nini ?
y'a quelque jour olobaki que Fally azwaki mwa ba nkokoso tangu akati contract ya Koffi na ye. Au juste es-que il etait passe reellement passe avec lui ?

oui tata fallait a signer 10 ans
Concert ango ya lacoste eza na decembre je crois ou bien novembre abeti yango nanu té
 premier voyage ya fally tango azonga kin apres droit chemin et puis tango aké lisusu panama abela liboma kutu je me rappelle il fallait ba gardes du corp na yé b52 balondo na mosusu kombo ekimi babomba yé po face emonana té que fally batia yé na jeep moko ti palais na yé,abandaki kobela libumu souvent,koffi azalaki kobenga yé na phone na ndenge ya kindoki ti aya kokende benin po na gwa tango azonga ndé liputa e tia kinshasa KO,koffi alukaki ba ndenge tout abamba mbati lokola alongwé na position moko ya faux(koffi atiaki motema trop na duo fally ferre po akweyisa clan wenge)
je pense meme kanda wana azalaka n'ango epa mopao esala que abanga kokende anniversaire ya latino oyo ba tshintu,ba lebou,ba bouro bakenda
jour moko kutu fally azalaki na hotel moko boyé na paris azalaki na jb(bango deux baza tres proche) ayoka que koffi pé azoya wana abanga fort ayebisa mukulu vieux to bendana muké
mais na telé alingaka ko soigner neti eloko eza té,po ayebi que base ya ba fans na yé eza bana latino
meme koffi quand il parle de fally ozo sentir que mua genre,oyebi niveau koffi aza mbanga,vu oyo nionso fally asali en solo mais koffi alingaki akumisa yo na ndenge ya kosakana té pona koyokisa jb na werra motema pasi que non mwana na yé mutu akeyi le plus loin pour l'instant mais cindy mutu azo zua ba compliments ya marque wana po aza toujours sous domination

<cite>@NEWSIDE96 said:</cite>
mes frere tous success vien de dieu mais ba zoba misusu ba nkedaka ko zwa nkisi, mais ba success c'est naturel comme Adolphe abeta ba Fikin, Studio Mama Angebi sans nkisi epuis esimba yango wana Werra asalaki ko banga ko approche Adolphe na l'heure wana parce que ayebi Adolphe aza Nzambe, Mais Werra is just pure evil no wonder why Marie Paul wants to strike him down and Werra is also greedy on day his nkisi will turn on him because this guy has done too much bad things mais nkisi eza nioso ba ndeko sans loboko ya nzambe eleko moko tse eko simba voila pourquoi ba orchestre esimba omoni Academia basalaki sans nkisi mais movement esimba

oui oui adolphe aza ya nzambe et mua rectification academia ezalaki na kisi,sous controle ya somono,bon evidemment kisi ya niveau ya ba jb koffi to werra té mais quand meme mpungu ezalaki kutu babengaka somono  entre bango "ntshor" veut dire nganga po bayebi
 en fait,je crois bango nioso ba bandaka ba chrétiens apres entourages eyebisi bango" pres' tala kaka il faut omeka,kobanga té okozua succes ya danger,ba grands mbongo tout ca tout ca"(yango wana na ba interview oyo bazala na etat presque normal balobaka makambo ya nzambé souvent)
d'ailleurs tango ba se retrouvaka seuls balelaka po na mabé oyo basalaka mais baza convaincu que choix eza té
c'est triste

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
oui tata fallait a signer 10 ans
Concert ango ya lacoste eza na decembre je crois ou bien novembre abeti yango nanu té
 premier voyage ya fally tango azonga kin apres droit chemin et puis tango aké lisusu panama abela liboma kutu je me rappelle il fallait ba gardes du corp na yé b52 balondo na mosusu kombo ekimi babomba yé po face emonana té que fally batia yé na jeep moko ti palais na yé,abandaki kobela libumu souvent,koffi azalaki kobenga yé na phone na ndenge ya kindoki ti aya kokende benin po na gwa tango azonga ndé liputa e tia kinshasa KO,koffi alukaki ba ndenge tout abamba mbati lokola alongwé na position moko ya faux(koffi atiaki motema trop na duo fally ferre po akweyisa clan wenge)
je pense meme kanda wana azalaka n'ango epa mopao esala que abanga kokende anniversaire ya latino oyo ba tshintu,ba lebou,ba bouro bakenda
jour moko kutu fally azalaki na hotel moko boyé na paris azalaki na jb(bango deux baza tres proche) ayoka que koffi pé azoya wana abanga fort ayebisa mukulu vieux to bendana muké
mais na telé alingaka ko soigner neti eloko eza té,po ayebi que base ya ba fans na yé eza bana latino
meme koffi quand il parle de fally ozo sentir que mua genre,oyebi niveau koffi aza mbanga,vu oyo nionso fally asali en solo mais koffi alingaki akumisa yo na ndenge ya kosakana té pona koyokisa jb na werra motema pasi que non mwana na yé mutu akeyi le plus loin pour l'instant mais cindy mutu azo zua ba compliments ya marque wana po aza toujours sous domination

Aah okay....
Je suis sure que soki ba F batekali encore pendent 2 ans ue Clan Wenge elingaki kozinda . Mais esimbaki te, comme Ferre azalaki moto moto pona ko prouve Fally. Je pense aussi que soki Fally azalaki kaka na QL, bord naye wana Droit Chemin elingaki kosimba te. Po ba album ya Cindy, Titina na Popolipo erata or que ezali b'album ya mabe vraiment te.

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
oui oui adolphe aza ya nzambe et mua rectification academia ezalaki na kisi,sous controle ya somono,bon evidemment kisi ya niveau ya ba jb koffi to werra té mais quand meme mpungu ezalaki kutu babengaka somono  entre bango "ntshor" veut dire nganga po bayebi
 en fait,je crois bango nioso ba bandaka ba chrétiens apres entourages eyebisi bango" pres' tala kaka il faut omeka,kobanga té okozua succes ya danger,ba grands mbongo tout ca tout ca"(yango wana na ba interview oyo bazala na etat presque normal balobaka makambo ya nzambé souvent)
d'ailleurs tango ba se retrouvaka seuls balelaka po na mabé oyo basalaka mais baza convaincu que choix eza té
c'est triste

Sisi. Balelaka fort....
Koffi kutu amelaka ba whisky fort pona kobosana makambu asala.
Kester kutu adimaka jamais que asila. Na comprendaka te ndenge abukaka ba kale. psk bazo sala ye mabe, mais ezo simba kaka te.

Somono "le pere spirituel" il falait pas Sam alongola ye.

vie na bango eza mystique na ndenge moko ya ko sakana te mais ndenge na so mona fin ya ba musiciens oyo elingi ko arrive parce que le verite de c'est affaire ebandi ko bima batu bako baye ba vieux mabe nga deja na baye bango po lekisi trop mais pona Academia Quatre Coin Kandala esimba evidament mais promotion eslaki makasi vraiment te, somono asalaki tres important na academia po ye a lingaki asala nioso po akitisa mopao mais biloko wana eza trop grave po soki olingo mopao a banga yo il faut ko approche comme wazkewa to obomisi verite comme JF Ifonge po mikolo oyo bazo banga ye mabe po aso bimisa ba faire nioso tous wana mais meme temps il faut le media a promote music sans nkisi c'est possible ekoki samala po Adolphe, Dakumuda nayebite mais Manda chante na bouclage asalaki pe na success l'heure mais nayebi te soki asimba mais il faut kaka changment ekoto na niveau moku nation mobimba eyemba epui pona ko sauve le futur generation de musiciens

Hmmmmmm,yoka,kasi koloba tsé!!!  Archos na Newside, nazo yoka kaka,sango na bango ba musicien epanzani!!!!! :lol:

MR.SLY i don't care i'm fed with what they do and worst thing is that they think its acceptable and then when somebody tells the truth they are so paranoid it dont make sense if they really are "Roi's" "Bosses" and etc. why not embrace the truth behind closed doors because they know they wont be accepted by fans so therefore in my eyes this witchcraft buisness is just pointless and stupid, whats point of doing something if u can't admit it.

That's right Newside, it's really shocking what am reading here,sinister things go on behind our back for these musicians to be successful.

let me tell something which happened in 2004 to 2006,the last yearS of very intense conflict between werra and jb
werra bought cds of jb's anti terro and went with it to sorcerers with the mission of making that album flop
so what he had to do is put a knife right in the middle of the cds then after walk around all those cds saying things to curse he was told to to curse that album,result anti terro was so-so despite having many song of the year contenders
jb took his revenge later with temoignage,same result
koffi was also doing it with every single cd of wazekwa so that he doesnt rise and arrive at the level of playing at olympia zenith and co
dont know if fally and ferre did it this time but the previous albums they did similar type of things but both were entering their prime in term of mystical power so the effect was minimal
not for all albums i think but most albums especially those on which leaders expect a lot and whose names are full of codes,there is a period of between 3 and 6 weeks where you give your album into hands of sorcerers(that's also how those who see the same guys can attack each other easily as long as they pay well)
in that period you should not swim in a river,eat certain things,sometimes they are asked to sleep with dead people(koffi and werra especially were caught several times but they paid so that it was kept secret)
sometimes also they are asked to give a couple of people and all they have to do is take eggs,do their prayers on it and throw in toilet
then the highest level in that domain,is that they are stuck in a secret room of their house for a week with snakes,bates and those type of animals and intensively doing prayers and they day they are out they go on tv album is out on date X or Y(example effrakata,th,kibuisa,malewa,abracadabra)

Very tough indeed!!!!!! but when did this thing of satanism started? did it start with the generation of Koffi
or was it there even the times of franco?