@archos

Really think QL Intergal had what it takes to be serious competition against QL and other big groups? Idk man...maybe in the era of Volte de Face, but they waited too long

The problem is that cnn who is the co founder of the group and who came with a lot of mungala-donors left due to people gossiping to him and lebou leading to cold war then went to bcbg for 2 months via alain mpela who shared the same donors then when they had to go back to kin to get mirage guelor and co to europe those staffs gossiped again to lebou while cnn was taking the risk of not coming back since he did not have european papers then by going to kinshasa then having to look for his own visa in a difficult period of ngulu affair and those people around lebou organized that cnn's guys in kinshasa are not allowed in rehearsals even before he arrived so he got hurt because like a said above most of the support backing integral was his donors from equateur region so since koffi was in kin and he did not have yet  plan of his group( which would later be the group vastly inherited by jf ifonge,cousteau mopiwi,arc en ciel bikorino and co) so he went back to koffi so that he could fulfill his desire to have three albums recorded in latino and go back to europe safely

Was the intent of Koffi to accept them fully in the group or just for Monde Arabe? Because I know he lost a lot of musicians after the first recording session in June of 2004, like Ramazani and Fo Fo Colligen.

So Koffi didn’t buy everyone their Mercedes? Some actually went and bought it themselves. That’s an interesting revelation.

So Koffi didn’t buy everyone their Mercedes? Some actually went and bought it themselves. That’s an interesting revelation.

Oh you caught that too at the end. It one of those revelations that completely destroys a historical storyline. It probably was not a wise financial decisions for the very young members who bought just to show off and taunt rivals

So Koffi didn’t buy everyone their Mercedes? Some actually went and bought it themselves. That’s an interesting revelation.

Oh you caught that too at the end. It one of those revelations that completely destroys a historical storyline. It probably was not a wise financial decisions for the very young members who bought just to show off and taunt rivals

Bro I'm actually upset that's one of the things I wish we didn't find out  just ruined a lot.

I already said that but nobody believed me. Even those cars of Wenge Maison Mere in 1999. Those who had the chance to put songs in group-albums bought it through money they received or the amount of mabanga they during the tour. Others were getting it as a gift from donors/fans who were stealing it for them. Buying cars for +18 bandmembers as bandleaders is to expensive, espcially if you have projects to build “ba Palais” and two new cars. Alot of people don’t also known that Koffi didn’t even pay them for Bercy and  the 9 months they spend abroad. Mamale opbelt complained about that, a journalist asked him about in the “Mokonzi” VHS but he denied and said that Koffi would give them gifts (which wasn’t true). Maybe that Koffi was still furious and didn’t forget it and punished him by leaving him behind in the next tour.

Those cars after Bercy were a way to counter Wenge Maison Mere (like the way Maison Mere did that to counter Wenge BCBG). Most wanted a car to prove rivals of other bands a point and fight over girls. After those tours (1999-2003) you had always those confrontation of bandmembers against each others in Lemba, Bandal & Kasa-Vubu. I remember Celeo even following a girl-dancer of Academia with his motorcycle.

HAHA bro do you know that  once fally and jipson after bercy followed ferre  and made sure to park their cars  in a way that ferre cant get out and ran away  counting on jordan to defend them if there is trouble,and ferre called one of his guys maitre moussa to bring another of his cars  and they moved and in the night celeo to defend ferre went at nightclub and recognized fally's car before entering and  did the same to fally and fally called jordan to come quickly when he got alerted  and it ended up in a fight until celeo shouted "ya chris" and jordan  replied "serge" and they hugged ,maybe because they heard police had arrived 
i remember in cultura trips some of the guys left because they were upset,they really believed leaders bought cars for their friends  so they were angry that wazekwa told them openly that he cant buy cars for them all but he can afford fret for them if they deal with their donors to buy them cars

I already said that but nobody believed me. Even those cars of Wenge Maison Mere in 1999. Those who had the chance to put songs in group-albums bought it through money they received or the amount of mabanga they during the tour. Others were getting it as a gift from donors/fans who were stealing it for them. Buying cars for +18 bandmembers as bandleaders is to expensive, espcially if you have projects to build “ba Palais” and two new cars. Alot of people don’t also known that Koffi didn’t even pay them for Bercy and  the 9 months they spend abroad. Mamale opbelt complained about that, a journalist asked him about in the “Mokonzi” VHS but he denied and said that Koffi would give them gifts (which wasn’t true). Maybe that Koffi was still furious and didn’t forget it and punished him by leaving him behind in the next tour.

Those cars after Bercy were a way to counter Wenge Maison Mere (like the way Maison Mere did that to counter Wenge BCBG). Most wanted a car to prove rivals of other bands a point and fight over girls. After those tours (1999-2003) you had always those confrontation of bandmembers against each others in Lemba, Bandal & Kasa-Vubu. I remember Celeo even following a girl-dancer of Academia with his motorcycle.

I always wondered how the band leaders could even afford to buy the musicians all their cars. Yes about Koffi not paying them after Bercy Depitcho and Jf even said that in that interview after they left. When musicians were touring in Europe and weren’t even getting paid how did they live? Or where did they even live?

@CM PRINCE

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Loris La Congolaise or another woman that used to handle the living arrangement of groups touring in Europe? I remember she used to get a lot of praises in songs.

I already said that but nobody believed me. Even those cars of Wenge Maison Mere in 1999. Those who had the chance to put songs in group-albums bought it through money they received or the amount of mabanga they during the tour. Others were getting it as a gift from donors/fans who were stealing it for them. Buying cars for +18 bandmembers as bandleaders is to expensive, espcially if you have projects to build “ba Palais” and two new cars. Alot of people don’t also known that Koffi didn’t even pay them for Bercy and  the 9 months they spend abroad. Mamale opbelt complained about that, a journalist asked him about in the “Mokonzi” VHS but he denied and said that Koffi would give them gifts (which wasn’t true). Maybe that Koffi was still furious and didn’t forget it and punished him by leaving him behind in the next tour.

Those cars after Bercy were a way to counter Wenge Maison Mere (like the way Maison Mere did that to counter Wenge BCBG). Most wanted a car to prove rivals of other bands a point and fight over girls. After those tours (1999-2003) you had always those confrontation of bandmembers against each others in Lemba, Bandal & Kasa-Vubu. I remember Celeo even following a girl-dancer of Academia with his motorcycle.

I always wondered how the band leaders could even afford to buy the musicians all their cars. Yes about Koffi not paying them after Bercy Depitcho and Jf even said that in that interview after they left. When musicians were touring in Europe and weren’t even getting paid how did they live? Or where did they even live?

they'd in many cases stay at hotel for the first week or second too then leaders sent them to sleep at their own friends house a good example is celeo who is never shy to admit it he says for example he lived with late loris,then on other occasion lisette lokangue, then then then ...and in many cases the musicians even end up sleeping with the guy or woman who welcome them's daughter as long as  she has boobs already,or with the woman herself,which is one of the argument of the radical combattants when its all started
they'd live by begging,when you arrive leaders tell you" poto yango yangoyo hein" or they'll promise you to only pay you when you return

prince your question just inspired me of a thread,i had the plan to write a book in the future years about the inside life of congolese music i will try to post a thread i will name " the codes of congolese music" where i will explain from my experience,the different codes on various issues,and of course i will as always be open to questions

prince your question just inspired me of a thread,i had the plan to write a book in the future years about the inside life of congolese music i will try to post a thread i will name " the codes of congolese music" where i will explain from my experience,the different codes on various issues,and of course i will as always be open to questions

I’m glad I could be of help, looking forward to your thread masta

I already said that but nobody believed me. Even those cars of Wenge Maison Mere in 1999. Those who had the chance to put songs in group-albums bought it through money they received or the amount of mabanga they during the tour. Others were getting it as a gift from donors/fans who were stealing it for them. Buying cars for +18 bandmembers as bandleaders is to expensive, espcially if you have projects to build “ba Palais” and two new cars. Alot of people don’t also known that Koffi didn’t even pay them for Bercy and  the 9 months they spend abroad. Mamale opbelt complained about that, a journalist asked him about in the “Mokonzi” VHS but he denied and said that Koffi would give them gifts (which wasn’t true). Maybe that Koffi was still furious and didn’t forget it and punished him by leaving him behind in the next tour.

Those cars after Bercy were a way to counter Wenge Maison Mere (like the way Maison Mere did that to counter Wenge BCBG). Most wanted a car to prove rivals of other bands a point and fight over girls. After those tours (1999-2003) you had always those confrontation of bandmembers against each others in Lemba, Bandal & Kasa-Vubu. I remember Celeo even following a girl-dancer of Academia with his motorcycle.

I always wondered how the band leaders could even afford to buy the musicians all their cars. Yes about Koffi not paying them after Bercy Depitcho and Jf even said that in that interview after they left. When musicians were touring in Europe and weren’t even getting paid how did they live? Or where did they even live?

they'd in many cases stay at hotel for the first week or second too then leaders sent them to sleep at their own friends house a good example is celeo who is never shy to admit it he says for example he lived with late loris,then on other occasion lisette lokangue, then then then ...and in many cases the musicians even end up sleeping with the guy or woman who welcome them's daughter as long as  she has boobs already,or with the woman herself,which is one of the argument of the radical combattants when its all started
they'd live by begging,when you arrive leaders tell you" poto yango yangoyo hein" or they'll promise you to only pay you when you return

yeah, if you watch Werra's press conference in London in 2000, to promote and mobilize people for his Bercy-show, he asked people if they could forgive his musicians for the way things went wrong (sleeping with the children of people who were feeding them or their wives).

I remember Baby Ndombe once saying that Werrason was sending them to sleep with old women (Mère Evélyne Ngongolo "loketo pètè", Pépé Akundji, Christiana Kwassa, etc.) to get money.

Those things are very dangerous. It made Héritier get the label of being a HIV-patient immediately during his first tour, because of the way people were saying that he slept with the wife of  sapeur Beyi Canto (RIP), who were both infected.

I already said that but nobody believed me. Even those cars of Wenge Maison Mere in 1999. Those who had the chance to put songs in group-albums bought it through money they received or the amount of mabanga they during the tour. Others were getting it as a gift from donors/fans who were stealing it for them. Buying cars for +18 bandmembers as bandleaders is to expensive, espcially if you have projects to build “ba Palais” and two new cars. Alot of people don’t also known that Koffi didn’t even pay them for Bercy and  the 9 months they spend abroad. Mamale opbelt complained about that, a journalist asked him about in the “Mokonzi” VHS but he denied and said that Koffi would give them gifts (which wasn’t true). Maybe that Koffi was still furious and didn’t forget it and punished him by leaving him behind in the next tour.

Those cars after Bercy were a way to counter Wenge Maison Mere (like the way Maison Mere did that to counter Wenge BCBG). Most wanted a car to prove rivals of other bands a point and fight over girls. After those tours (1999-2003) you had always those confrontation of bandmembers against each others in Lemba, Bandal & Kasa-Vubu. I remember Celeo even following a girl-dancer of Academia with his motorcycle.

I always wondered how the band leaders could even afford to buy the musicians all their cars. Yes about Koffi not paying them after Bercy Depitcho and Jf even said that in that interview after they left. When musicians were touring in Europe and weren’t even getting paid how did they live? Or where did they even live?

they'd in many cases stay at hotel for the first week or second too then leaders sent them to sleep at their own friends house a good example is celeo who is never shy to admit it he says for example he lived with late loris,then on other occasion lisette lokangue, then then then ...and in many cases the musicians even end up sleeping with the guy or woman who welcome them's daughter as long as  she has boobs already,or with the woman herself,which is one of the argument of the radical combattants when its all started
they'd live by begging,when you arrive leaders tell you" poto yango yangoyo hein" or they'll promise you to only pay you when you return

yeah, if you watch Werra's press conference in London in 2000, to promote and mobilize people for his Bercy-show, he asked people if they could forgive his musicians for the way things went wrong (sleeping with the children of people who were feeding them or their wives).

Children?? To be fair I have heard stories like that but it’s been more sleeping with people’s wives