I've heard that the only artist who got one was Wemba with emotion can anybody verify that if that's true

Like I explained there isn't a Congolese artist that had received a real gold record (Disque d'Or). Go to the SNEP website and you will see that nobody had received a gold record in France. 2 years ago we had we had topics about that on our forum, when people discovered that Congolese artists (Koffi Olomide, JB Mpiana, Werrason, etc.) all lied to us years long, after that Fally Ipupa received his first Single d'Or (Gold single) certified by SNEP. With pages as Labouche Autorisee, Ndombolhino Official, all talking about that and guys like Frank Stemay, Mbuta Likasu, Thierry Mombaya making analyse-videos about it. Jeannot Ne Nzau Dipo explained during the analyse with Frank Stemay and Mbuta Likasu in details how Gerard Akueson (Abeti Masikini's manager) made an arrangement with SACEM for African artists to get "fake' gold records in France since that it was hard for them to get a gold record in France. Back in the early 80s there weren't alot of African people living in France and you had then to sold 100.000 records in France which was almost impossible for them. So with that arrangement they made they had just to sold 50.000 records around the world (Europe, Africa, America,.) with the cd/discs made in that factory in Germany who was working with SACEM.

http://www.snepmusique.com/les-disques-dor/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_de_certification

Like I explained there isn't a Congolese artist that had received a real gold record (Disque d'Or). Go to the SNEP website and you will see that nobody had received a gold record in France. 2 years ago we had we had topics about that on our forum, when people discovered that Congolese artists (Koffi Olomide, JB Mpiana, Werrason, etc.) all lied to us years long, after that Fally Ipupa received his first Single d'Or (Gold single) certified by SNEP. With pages as Labouche Autorisee, Ndombolhino Official, all talking about that and guys like Frank Stemay, Mbuta Likasu, Thierry Mombaya making analyse-videos about it. Jeannot Ne Nzau Dipo explained during the analyse with Frank Stemay and Mbuta Likasu in details how Gerard Akueson (Abeti Masikini's manager) made an arrangement with SACEM for African artists to get "fake' gold records in France.

http://www.snepmusique.com/les-disques-dor/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_de_certification

Damn i feel betrayed. So wemba going gold with emotion in the USA is fake too?

No, that was in the USA. It got certified by the RIAA. Each country has a different rule. In the US you had to sold 500.000 copies at that time. Papa Wemba's gold record was mainly due to the Fa Fa Fa Fa-single which was in the past gold by Blues legend Otis Redding (RIP) and the tour he made with Peter Gabriel in the USA in 1997/98.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_de_certification

Here they wrote in French how you have many to have to sold in Belgium, USA, Germany, U.K., etc. to get a gold record, platina record, diamond record in their country.

The popularity of American artists around the world made them get multipes platium records in different countries (Australia, France, USA, South Africa,..) with their house and record label being full with it. Artists like Jay Z, Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys have special rooms made for it.

Like I explained there isn't a Congolese artist that had received a real gold record (Disque d'Or). Go to the SNEP website and you will see that nobody had received a gold record in France. 2 years ago we had we had topics about that on our forum, when people discovered that Congolese artists (Koffi Olomide, JB Mpiana, Werrason, etc.) all lied to us years long, after that Fally Ipupa received his first Single d'Or (Gold single) certified by SNEP. With pages as Labouche Autorisee, Ndombolhino Official, all talking about that and guys like Frank Stemay, Mbuta Likasu, Thierry Mombaya making analyse-videos about it. Jeannot Ne Nzau Dipo explained during the analyse with Frank Stemay and Mbuta Likasu in details how Gerard Akueson (Abeti Masikini's manager) made an arrangement with SACEM for African artists to get "fake' gold records in France.

http://www.snepmusique.com/les-disques-dor/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_de_certification

Damn i feel betrayed. So wemba going gold with emotion in the USA is fake too?

King Kester Emeneya was saying it years long until is death that apart Papa Wemba there wasn't a Congolese artist who received a gold record. But nobody was believing him, they thought that he was jealous. Until that everybody discovered the secret. Back in 1999 they made released a VHS on the market called "Dossier Disque d'Or" with Zacharie Bababaswe and King Kester Emeneya visiting SACEM to look if those gold records of Koffi Olomide and JB Mpiana were real.

So does the YouTube views count also or its just the streaming from the streaming sites like iTunes, tidal etc?

So does the YouTube views count also or its just the streaming from the streaming sites like iTunes, tidal etc?

For the albumand single sales usually is 130 stream equal ome single sold. The same with albums (for spotify) about Apple Music and the ithers I don't know

So does the YouTube views count also or its just the streaming from the streaming sites like iTunes, tidal etc?

Youtube views counts, but not heavy like streaming sites like Itunes, Tidal, Deezer and Spotify. Also it had then be from the official youtube-channel.

Streaming counts since 2016, before that you had just to sell cds. But despite streaming, its not raining gold records, platinum and diamond records in France like in the past. Artists like Maitre Gims are suspecting of frauding with streaming. So SACEM had decided since last year that streaming only counts if you logs in with an official account.
 
https://www.mouv.fr/rap-fr/maitre-gims-expose-la-technique-pour-tricher-sur-les-vues-et-le-streaming-video-296272

European artists make now money by touring alot with those tickets having huge prices.

Like I explained there isn't a Congolese artist that had received a real gold record (Disque d'Or). Go to the SNEP website and you will see that nobody had received a gold record in France. 2 years ago we had we had topics about that on our forum, when people discovered that Congolese artists (Koffi Olomide, JB Mpiana, Werrason, etc.) all lied to us years long, after that Fally Ipupa received his first Single d'Or (Gold single) certified by SNEP. With pages as Labouche Autorisee, Ndombolhino Official, all talking about that and guys like Frank Stemay, Mbuta Likasu, Thierry Mombaya making analyse-videos about it. Jeannot Ne Nzau Dipo explained during the analyse with Frank Stemay and Mbuta Likasu in details how Gerard Akueson (Abeti Masikini's manager) made an arrangement with SACEM for African artists to get "fake' gold records in France.

http://www.snepmusique.com/les-disques-dor/

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disque_de_certification

Damn i feel betrayed. So wemba going gold with emotion in the USA is fake too?

King Kester Emeneya was saying it years long until is death that apart Papa Wemba there wasn't a Congolese artist who received a gold record. But nobody was believing him, they thought that he was jealous. Until that everybody discovered the secret. Back in 1999 they made released a VHS on the market called "Dossier Disque d'Or" with Zacharie Bababaswe and King Kester Emeneya visiting SACEM to look if those gold records of Koffi Olomide and JB Mpiana were real.

I am so shocked right now so that means that Wemba is the biggest Congolese artist to be ever known, because targeting the American market aint easy...do you have a interview king kes saying that?.. Also i thank you for informing me that. All of it was for buzz then

Thanks @Mvulusi96.
Here is the interview that Djoka Kabengele did I think in 2017. He confirms what you have stated above. I initially thought he was saying it (the fact that all those Disque D'or were fake) because he had fallen out with the likes of Mukulu.

At minute 19:55 seconds.

For me Papa Wemba's isn't the biggest Congolese artist ever. For me its Franco Luambo Makiadi followed by Tabu Ley.

It difficult to find those interviews since that Vieux'Kes was recording multiples interviews in 2012 & 2013. But if I remember well he said the same thing in the famous interview he made with Marius Muhunga before he died, but I can't find that interview anymore on youtube.

It was not buzz, but to made look their cv better and to impress the Congolese and African public with it which made other artists not wanting to stay behind. For example Fally's "fake" gold records of Droit Chemin and Arsenal des Belles Melodies opened alot of doors for him in the showbizz world.

I remember Werrason dreaming about getting getting a gold record of Kibuisa Mpimpa in a month and a platium record for the same album. Ordering JPS and his donors to buy a big amount of discs of Kibuisa Mpimpa (having then to sell 300.000 copies in France to get a platinum record). The press in Kinshasa and Paris had then already reported that Werrason received a gold record in France, saying then that they would give it to him at the Double-Zenith event along with the Solola Bien-gold record. But I was then surprised about Werrason not getting it at his Double-Zenith event and after that it became very silent, discovering on the end that it was just to impress the public.

For me Papa Wemba's isn't the biggest Congolese artist ever. For me its Franco Luambo Makiadi followed by Tabu Ley.

It difficult to find those interviews since that Vieux'Kes was recording multiples interviews in 2012 & 2013. But if I remember well he said the same thing in the famous interview he made with Marius Muhunga before he died, but I can't find that interview anymore on youtube.

It was not buzz, but to made look their cv better and to impress the Congolese and African public with it which made other artists not wanting to stay behind. For example Fally's "fake" gold records of Droit Chemin and Arsenal des Belles Melodies opened alot of doors for him in the showbizz world.

I remember Werrason dreaming about getting getting a gold record of Kibuisa Mpimpa in a month and a platium record for the same album. Ordering JPS and his donors to buy a big amount of discs of Kibuisa Mpimpa (having then to sell 300.000 copies in France to get a platinum record). The press in Kinshasa and Paris had then already reported that Werrason received a gold record in France, saying then that they would give it to him at the Double-Zenith event along with the Solola Bien-gold record. But I was then surprised about Werrason not getting it at his Double-Zenith event and after that it became very silent, discovering on the end that it was just to impress the public.

Who are your top 5 biggest congelese artist in order? So many lies and lies and lies i saw on Wikipedia that A2BM sold like 100K in a month like c'mon nobody is believing that crap. After recently watching the double zenith i too was shocked too not see Kibuisa get a "gold" record which album between had the most impact in your honest opinion (asking because im 22)

1. Franco Luambo Makiadi
2. Tabu Ley
3. Papa Wemba/Koffi Olomide (sometimes i put Koffi above Wemba and there are days that I put Wemba above Koffi)
5. Pepe Kalle

Followed by King Kester Emeneya, Clan Wenge (JB & Werra), Grand Kalle, Bozi Boziana, Lutumba Simaro, etc.

According to RFI, Fally Ipupa sold more than 50.000 copies a month with the album becoming gold, because since 2009 the new rule was 50.000 copies in France for a gold record (from 2005-2009 it was 75.000 copies). But there wasn't a official ceremony or party for that like when he received a gold record for Droit Chemin. Then in 2011 it was reported that Arsenal des Belles Melodies had sold more than 250.000 copies and became a platinum record. It can be possibe that they sold alot of discs in the first month of its release because A2BM was then in 2009, the most awaited album of the year. But I think that 50.000 copies was just a publicity-stunt.

Zaiko's album Nippon Banzai (1986) was close to become a gold record, but they weren't selling album (na ndenge ya desorde) like the way Congolese people say, so it didn't became a gold record. That album sold so well everybody bought it white people, community of people coming the French West-Indies and African people. Zaiko even performed with that album at the French channel TF1 and Sony BMG (CBS at that time) offered them a contract to join their label.



What do you mean with impact ? The influence or terms of succes. Because if it influence then I would say Papa Wemba's Fula Ngenge. Because all bandleaders copied that concept of various music-styles in a solo album (ndombolo, rumba, world-music, hiphop, salsa, folkloric music)  in solo albums who were released after it (Attentat, TH, Kibuisa Mpimpa).

If its about term of succes then I would say Solola Bien, Kibuisa Mpimpa was also a huge succes, but it wasn't the same like Solola Bien which succes was very huge and the generic becoming one of the most danced of the Ndombolo-era. Almost everybody of the Congolese community had that disc at home, even JB-fans. 

@mvulusi96

Since now we have digital streaming, will Congolese artist recieve genuine plaques for album sales? As of today, where do we fall short in terms of getting recognition. I see that many of clips from our musicians official Youtube channels recieve views by the hundreds of thousands and their albums are on Spotify/Tidal.

I feel like European music industry doesn't want to acknowledge successful artist birthed in Africa, cause they seem to always move the goal post.

yeah there is something strange,for example the most popular francophone artists of africa,we can pick for example fally,toofan duo,late arafat,none of them picked true disque d'or( although fally managed single d'or with booba feat,and possibly with eloko oyo i have a little doubt) arafat put mad pressure of his fans  and even ranting at them in his videos to buy cds so that he brings first ivorian-based disque d'or since the days where his late father used to be arranger of big stars and could not even achieve 50K cd sold but look at millions of fans mourning him now around africa
one thing i want to add about the fake disque d'ors of the past is that producers also "gave symbolically" disque d'or to their artists based on estimation of cds from piracy sold in streets for little money
i have once hear for example monsieur simon say that on feux de l'amour there was over 200000 fake cds sold in africa