they have been seeing each other for 45 years now but they always seem sooo happy like they have not seen each other in ages
tata doing the "boss" with the female dancers,before receiving money himself

JB seems to have lost some weight. That's good.

These guys are missibg out on big event.. They should think of how to make great money.. As they are all still alive they should think of big event such as "festval wenge" where they invite all former wenge with their new group to perform and other young groupe do the vodacom kinda thing " via phone " to chose the better performer and give them a certificate named" esprit wenge or mwana wenge" as a recognition..a little money involved( with government and other sponsors involved of course" . the festival must last a week and the end have the original members of wenge bcbg 4x4 TT perform together. Im pretty sure if they do it together it will be a huge success. Just imagine what a huge success it will be if its well organized. Im sure it will bring a lot of partnerships with other countries huge events. All we need is to make these guys agree on the same idea.

So spot on bro  but like blaise bula says they need to open their heart truly first,so much little needless drama and grudge between some of them
for example ferre's participation could be a problem in current situation

Sometime i wish werra was little child so i can woop his butt.. I dont understand why if this has to happen he will be the one causing issue for ferre's participation. History does not change everybody know that ferre was a member of the original wenge along with seguin. why would that be an issue. To be honest. If it was not for ferre and co .. Werra would not be who he became.the team was excellent and he was lucky enough to change the game. I dont see jb having issues with other member of the original group ..only werra who like to act stupid.

equally F wouldnt be who he is if it weren't for Werra n Wenge Maison Mere

Whoever recorded this concert on a better phone to just upload it now, seems it was a good concert.

equally F wouldnt be who he is if it weren't for Werra n Wenge Maison Mere

 
F would not be who he is if it was not for maison mere..not werra. Ferre's hard work in tge group  paid of. That is what made him become who he is today. Anyway ..at admit it that they were colleagues in wenge original. Thats the main issue here.

equally F wouldnt be who he is if it weren't for Werra n Wenge Maison Mere

 
F would not be who he is if it was not for maison mere..not werra. Ferre's hard work in tge group  paid of. That is what made him become who he is today. Anyway ..at admit it that they were colleagues in wenge original. Thats the main issue here.

No that’s not true... I never like to get involved in this Werra vs Ferre who made who debate but we’ve got to speak the truth. Werra Gave Ferre or “F” a lotttt of space in Maison Mere compared to the rest, even with hard work Werra really helped boost Ferre to be the guy we know today, so you have to give Werra crédit there. Now without that first team I don’t know how Werra’s career would’ve been like but we may never know. Ferre and Werra were not colleagues in 4x4 and that’s a fact Werra was one of the bosses and admins and Ferre was just an employee.

 I dont know with ferre's case causes so much controversy,every single of the  non-admin wenge 4X4 members who went either in bcbg or maison mere upgraded their level,including tata and ya ciel
aimelia and mpela had a much bigger role than in 4X4,burkina become a challenger to makaba which he would have never become in 4X4,titina became the second most important person in artistic direction which he would not have in 4X4....
ferre's bad luck is that he joined when camps were starting to appear so obviously he was bound to grow more in any of the group he followed
obviously being surrounded with talented and experienced people in any job will help you grow,its like saying  cristiano is ungrateful to manu because he says he came from sporting lisbon,you can even see that  the transformation ferre had in less than two years next to the 4X4 guys was big already( the kid singing nzambe bomba nga na motema na yo next to jb  and the ferre of abidjan concert are very different in every aspect)  then  his voice totally matured once in maison mere
werra's had his influence and so did the context(werra needed a rival to jb in tenor section,if jdt was a tenor maybe  he would have preferred jdt) and the natural experience,its always a mix of things i really dont like human beings wanting to  pretend to have made other human being,God has created billions of us on earth for a reason,not for those who he created to think they have the same power as him

equally F wouldnt be who he is if it weren't for Werra n Wenge Maison Mere

 
F would not be who he is if it was not for maison mere..not werra. Ferre's hard work in tge group  paid of. That is what made him become who he is today. Anyway ..at admit it that they were colleagues in wenge original. Thats the main issue here.

No that’s not true... I never like to get involved in this Werra vs Ferre who made who debate but we’ve got to speak the truth. Werra Gave Ferre or “F” a lotttt of space in Maison Mere compared to the rest, even with hard work Werra really helped boost Ferre to be the guy we know today, so you have to give Werra crédit there. Now without that first team I don’t know how Werra’s career would’ve been like but we may never know. Ferre and Werra were not colleagues in 4x4 and that’s a fact Werra was one of the bosses and admins and Ferre was just an employee.

may be word colleagues was not the right one but we must all need to admit it that they all sang in tge same group wich is original wenge no matter level or administrative position some had , they all came fr9m the same group. Denying that ferre was a full member of the group is just ridiculous foe me. I dont see other old members deying it except werra's camp.

I dont know with ferre's case causes so much controversy,every single of the  non-admin wenge 4X4 members who went either in bcbg or maison mere upgraded their level,including tata and ya ciel
aimelia and mpela had a much bigger role than in 4X4,burkina become a challenger to makaba which he would have never become in 4X4,titina became the second most important person in artistic direction which he would not have in 4X4....
ferre's bad luck is that he joined when camps were starting to appear so obviously he was bound to grow more in any of the group he followed
obviously being surrounded with talented and experienced people in any job will help you grow,its like saying  cristiano is ungrateful to manu because he says he came from sporting lisbon,you can even see that  the transformation ferre had in less than two years next to the 4X4 guys was big already( the kid singing nzambe bomba nga na motema na yo next to jb  and the ferre of abidjan concert are very different in every aspect)  then  his voice totally matured once in maison mere
werra's had his influence and so did the context(werra needed a rival to jb in tenor section,if jdt was a tenor maybe  he would have preferred jdt) and the natural experience,its always a mix of things i really dont like human beings wanting to  pretend to have made other human being,God has created billions of us on earth for a reason,not for those who he created to think they have the same power as him

Well put @Archos. The debate of who made who should be contextual. The leader needs a much strong team the same way that the team needs a good supervisor if the goals of organization are to be achieved. In short Ferre and all the other original Maison Mere artists helped make Maison Mere what it is today in turn the success of the collective Maison Mere helped the individual members become what they are today. And like what others have said Ferre despite joining towards when the group was about to break up, was part of Wenge Musica original  and denying that fact alone is trying to change history which is well documented.