Author Topic: WHY EUROPE MUSICIANS DO NOT GET RESPECT?  (Read 3979 times)

Manzambi94 on: June 09, 2020, 22:50

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I was hearing this two songs and they are pretty good why does Europe Congolese musicians don't get the respect they deserve



Mfumu Vata #1 on: June 09, 2020, 23:00

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Because they are Europe a not from Kin, so they can't take them serious. Having already that accent when talking in Lingala, just listen how Bouleman's generique start, how do you want to earn respect with that. Congolese people themselves give new coming bands of their own quarters already hard time and didn't like Soukous. . Its not for nothing that they used to say that the Congolese public is one of the most difficult of the world, now things have changed,.


JV “Lone Ranger” #2 on: June 09, 2020, 23:09

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Because most of them are not original, just bunch of bootleg Congolese base artist wannabes...example this guy, Bill wannabe.

Franco Pepe Kalle #3 on: June 09, 2020, 23:23

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It is because most people don't know what good music means or even half decent music. These guys are copycats. Who cares? I would prefer copycats over overrated shitty artists that we have these days.

bencuri #4 on: June 10, 2020, 23:38

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I cannot comment so much about the attitude of people in Congo towards Congolese musicians in Europe, but I can tell much about European people's  attitude towards Congolese musicians in Europe. What I experienced that Congolese musicians in Europe has no passion to devote enough time to a project and create something really exciting. Their music creation project is usually too money oriented, and on the other end it results in less creativity. Singers, usually what they do is that they focus on having the song released. And once they sing their part well, usually they stop at that level. They do not put to much emphasis on the backing music. It is enough for them to have a generally good backing music, but they don't go beyond, and go for something outstanding. They are usually in a rush, but having the voice correctly on the record but the backing at a usual level is not a recipe that the European audience will be interested at. As a new artist, you need to create something exciting voicewise and also musicwise to earn the respect of audience in Europe. It is a false concept of Congolese musicians in Europe that once you have the voice fine, doing the rest more or less acceptably will catch the attention of big audience. On the other hand, when it comes to musicians playing the instruments, the case is the same. Usually instrument players are licensed for sessions of singers. What happens is, projects are not done in a way that a group comes together and for passion they create something, but it goes in a way that somebody hires the musicians, they do something, and once the backing music is okay, they don't devote more effort to the project. For the instrument players the important is to get paid, the quality is less important. And again, having the music at techincally acceptably but themewise still not at an exciting level is not very charming. I experienced this personally. I have met several musicians in the uk, but the project I saw, all was initiated by a boss and his payment, and none by the desire of somebody to do a cool record. All these musicians were technically outstanding, but did not devote time to be really creative. On the other hand,  I also met musicians, who were both technically at high level and were very creative, so anything they created  even in a short time, it was super exciting. But then came the other problem I experienced with Congolese musicians in Europe: the lack of willingness to cooperate. I personally offered money to such a guy to record tracks and release it. I let him define the price, I agreed on what he wanted, we finalized the date of recording. What happened is, on the day of the recording, I was waiting for him in the studio, everything ready, I had the money with me, he did not show up. I tried to call him on phone, he did not answer, and since then he is not picking up the phone when I called him. Who knows, maybe since then he would be a star. Instead, he now works as a driver for a delivery company, and doing music rarely. And this was a super talented and creative guy. So if you ask me, based on my experiences I would say Congolese artists in Europe has a really big problem with passion: they either focus on the money, but the quality and excitement doesn't interest them, or they are very talented, but unable to cooperate. The only way something great could be done in Europe is to collect a ton of money, so big an amount that musicians just cannot resist, and with that big money force them to start a project, and paying only when they hit that certain level that will guarantee success in Europe. But in a way that is general among successful European bands: that you come together with bandmates and for fun you create something cool, it doesn't work with Congolese musicians. Money has to be involved, and the bigger the better.
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shamala #5 on: June 11, 2020, 05:32

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I cannot comment so much about the attitude of people in Congo towards Congolese musicians in Europe, but I can tell much about European people's  attitude towards Congolese musicians in Europe. What I experienced that Congolese musicians in Europe has no passion to devote enough time to a project and create something really exciting. Their music creation project is usually too money oriented, and on the other end it results in less creativity. Singers, usually what they do is that they focus on having the song released. And once they sing their part well, usually they stop at that level. They do not put to much emphasis on the backing music. It is enough for them to have a generally good backing music, but they don't go beyond, and go for something outstanding. They are usually in a rush, but having the voice correctly on the record but the backing at a usual level is not a recipe that the European audience will be interested at. As a new artist, you need to create something exciting voicewise and also musicwise to earn the respect of audience in Europe. It is a false concept of Congolese musicians in Europe that once you have the voice fine, doing the rest more or less acceptably will catch the attention of big audience. On the other hand, when it comes to musicians playing the instruments, the case is the same. Usually instrument players are licensed for sessions of singers. What happens is, projects are not done in a way that a group comes together and for passion they create something, but it goes in a way that somebody hires the musicians, they do something, and once the backing music is okay, they don't devote more effort to the project. For the instrument players the important is to get paid, the quality is less important. And again, having the music at techincally acceptably but themewise still not at an exciting level is not very charming. I experienced this personally. I have met several musicians in the uk, but the project I saw, all was initiated by a boss and his payment, and none by the desire of somebody to do a cool record. All these musicians were technically outstanding, but did not devote time to be really creative. On the other hand,  I also met musicians, who were both technically at high level and were very creative, so anything they created  even in a short time, it was super exciting. But then came the other problem I experienced with Congolese musicians in Europe: the lack of willingness to cooperate. I personally offered money to such a guy to record tracks and release it. I let him define the price, I agreed on what he wanted, we finalized the date of recording. What happened is, on the day of the recording, I was waiting for him in the studio, everything ready, I had the money with me, he did not show up. I tried to call him on phone, he did not answer, and since then he is not picking up the phone when I called him. Who knows, maybe since then he would be a star. Instead, he now works as a driver for a delivery company, and doing music rarely. And this was a super talented and creative guy. So if you ask me, based on my experiences I would say Congolese artists in Europe has a really big problem with passion: they either focus on the money, but the quality and excitement doesn't interest them, or they are very talented, but unable to cooperate. The only way something great could be done in Europe is to collect a ton of money, so big an amount that musicians just cannot resist, and with that big money force them to start a project, and paying only when they hit that certain level that will guarantee success in Europe. But in a way that is general among successful European bands: that you come together with bandmates and for fun you create something cool, it doesn't work with Congolese musicians. Money has to be involved, and the bigger the better.

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