Lol he knows Tokooss 2 became quickly forgotten about so he’s tryna save face.
Ahh Dicap just give us a Rumba/ Sebene album and get Alvarito Solo back, I’m actually over this World Music phase.

Tokoss 2 flopped really? where are you people been living in past few weeks, I was in Kinshasa the week before last there are not Album who is on top than Tokoss and people know all the songs. We all have see when Fally was In Benin, Cote D'Ivoire and Cameroon how people were singing and asking songs from Tokoss 2.

So flop about what?
this forum mawa.

Are you sure ? Im in the states and no one here knows who Papa Wemba is. Does the average white person know who he is in England? Because lets be clear the world music is not for black people its for the whites. The average guy in Mali is gonna pick a real wemba album before he picks a world album and same with the guy in burkina faso and the guy from senegal. Hell the only song of Wembas thats made it into a french movie (Black Mic Mac) was not a world song but i believe it was Matebu or Proclamation.


I personally think foreigners like authentic stuff more than the stuff thats catered to them. Ive bumped into people in the states here, white people, that knew Franco. Franco never did world music his music was authentic. And last point, nobody knows emeneya outside of the congolese diaspora. His world endeavors never helped him i dont believe. He was barely talked about in france by the press and when he did it was the middle of the ndombolo era and the average american or english white person has NO idea who he is trust me. He’s only a world artist to congolese.


The world album is just so they can sit in front of the french TV press and have more ease to talk about the music. Dilute it so its easier on the new listener, which just never works, sorry to say.
If someone is gonna like congo music or stumble upon congo music are they gonna prefer Tokoss or Control, be real.

Congolese I swear. Where are the memorable albums 

Lol, I think that you’ve never been to Kin and have been following what was going on the last 10 years. People prefer foreign music above Congolese music right now and know all those Tokoss songs by heart. Congolese music is death in Kinshasa

I will not follow you on this one; in Africa, including Congo, Fally's traditional albums are more known and more successful than the world albums.

I mean, his so-called urban albums are fueled by feats. His solo singles flopped. Who's playing ca bouge pas and Message? They went and came. Even the Matt Pokora single flopped. If it wasn't for Daju, all the singles would've been flops.

The most ironic thing is that the most successful singles out of his two urban albums is Eloko Oyo, a folk song...

Are you sure ? Im in the states and no one here knows who Papa Wemba is. Does the average white person know who he is in England? Because lets be clear the world music is not for black people its for the whites. The average guy in Mali is gonna pick a real wemba album before he picks a world album and same with the guy in burkina faso and the guy from senegal. Hell the only song of Wembas thats made it into a french movie (Black Mic Mac) was not a world song but i believe it was Matebu or Proclamation.


I personally think foreigners like authentic stuff more than the stuff thats catered to them. Ive bumped into people in the states here, white people, that knew Franco. Franco never did world music his music was authentic. And last point, nobody knows emeneya outside of the congolese diaspora. His world endeavors never helped him i dont believe. He was barely talked about in france by the press and when he did it was the middle of the ndombolo era and the average american or english white person has NO idea who he is trust me. He’s only a world artist to congolese.


The world album is just so they can sit in front of the french TV press and have more ease to talk about the music. Dilute it so its easier on the new listener, which just never works, sorry to say.
If someone is gonna like congo music or stumble upon congo music are they gonna prefer Tokoss or Control, be real.

I agree with you. We tend to overrate the real impact of those world music albums.

They were made for white people but to be specific a small number of white people. World music was a niche genre. It was only knwon by a few white people interested in exotic music. It never went full mainstream. Peter Gabriel label, the real world, was a small label, not a big major.

Emeneya killed his career following that world album success. I think that congolese musicians should abandon that illusion of breaking into the western mainstream market; it will never happen.

Even if you dilute your music, western people will still prefer the original. Ferre and Fally are wasting their prime pumping out urban music that will be less successful than their traditional albums. Look at Ferre's Regarde Moi. All that hype for 4 million views. That type of song will never find an audience; white people won't care about it, black people won't care about it. 

I’m not talking about Africa, I’m talking about Kinshasa. What I said is true. The Congolese music genre in Kinshasa is death.Pay a ticket to Kinshasa now and you will see how youngsters prefer foreign music above pure Congolese music and know the songs of Tokoos from A to Z. It doesn’t mean that I support that genre, but it’s the truth. People over there are brainwashed and obsessed with that kind of music. Don’t you see how all artists there try now to switch to urban music even old artists, because if you play normal original Congolese music, they won’t play it in the bars. Nowadays local dj’s have more succes.

I’m not talking about Africa, I’m talking about Kinshasa. What I said is true. The Congolese music genre in Kinshasa is death.Pay a ticket to Kinshasa now and you will see how youngsters prefer foreign music above pure Congolese music and know the songs of Tokoos from A to Z. It doesn’t mean that I support that genre, but it’s the truth. People over there are brainwashed and obsessed with that kind of music. Don’t you see how all artists there try now to switch to urban music even old artists, because if you play normal original Congolese music, they won’t play it in the bars. Nowadays local dj’s have more succes.

It's true my brother's there now in Kin on holiday and he's telling me the bars have been playing tokooos and world music, some have even been playing Fabregas's urban song Brenda.

Lol, I think that you’ve never been to Kin and have been following what was going on the last 10 years. People prefer foreign music above Congolese music right now and know all those Tokoss songs by heart. Congolese music is death in Kinshasa

Just un dance, Pesa posa, Champion, likolo........ I hate the genre but people love it lets not deny that lol, I have seen how people go crazy in concerts over these songs

I will not follow you on this one; in Africa, including Congo, Fally's traditional albums are more known and more successful than the world albums.

I mean, his so-called urban albums are fueled by feats. His solo singles flopped. Who's playing ca bouge pas and Message? They went and came. Even the Matt Pokora single flopped. If it wasn't for Daju, all the singles would've been flops.

The most ironic thing is that the most successful singles out of his two urban albums is Eloko Oyo, a folk song...

I’m not talking about Africa, I’m talking about Kinshasa. What I said is true. The Congolese music genre in Kinshasa is death.Pay a ticket to Kinshasa now and you will see how youngsters prefer foreign music above pure Congolese music and know the songs of Tokoos from A to Z. It doesn’t mean that I support that genre, but it’s the truth. People over there are brainwashed and obsessed with that kind of music. Don’t you see how all artists there try now to switch to urban music even old artists, because if you play normal original Congolese music, they won’t play it in the bars. Nowadays local dj’s have more succes.

I agree with you that in bars and clubs and parties in Kin, they play more Nigerian and Tanzanian music, and urban music in general etc. than local music.

However, globally, when Congolese artists do this type of music, it's less successful than their traditional songs or just as successful. They are chasing the trend. It's for me a bad strategy. They can'y fight Ngerian, French or Tanzanian musicians on that ground.

I don't think Fally made Tokoos for the congolese market; he did trying to break thru the french and international markets.

However, I fail to see how the Tokoss series gave him a big advantage compared to his traditional albums. To me, he would've put his big urban singles (Kiname, Mannequin, Un coup) in his traditional albums, he would've done a better job.

Let's see how Ferre's Harmony will do. In terms of commercial success, I don't have big expectations, except if he hides behind some big feats. I don't see that album finding an audience.